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US Sentinel Drone Fooled Into Landing With GPS Spoofing

McGruber writes "Following up on the earlier Slashdot story, the Christian Science Monitor now reports that GPS spoofing was used to get the RQ-170 Sentinel Drone to land in Iran. According to an Iranian engineer quoted in the article, 'By putting noise [jamming] on the communications, you force the bird into autopilot. This is where the bird loses its brain.' Apparently, once it loses its brain, the bird relies on GPS signals to get home. By spoofing GPS, Iranian engineers were able to get the drone to 'land on its own where we wanted it to, without having to crack the remote-control signals and communications.'"

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  1. The truth slowly comes out by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The more important aspect of the truth that's slowly leaking out is that U.S. officials are finally admitting that it was on a spy mission inside Iran and dropping that ridiculous cover story that it was just flying around Afghanistan and accidentally may have strayed into Iran (oopsy, whoopsy, did we cross your border?!?).

    Of course, most non-idiots have known for some time that the CIA and Mossad have been in a state of undeclared war with Iran for several years now--assassinating their best nuke scientists and engineers, spying on their facilities, helping fund the Green movement, releasing Stuxnet and other viruses aimed at sabotaging them. etc., etc. But die-hard apologists (who seem to think that all those people at the CIA just stare at the wall all day, I suppose) have refused to accept this. These are probably the same people who believe the Pakistani government when they claim they had no idea Osama Bin Laden was in that compound in Abbottabad and that they're still our good friends (please keep sending us your money, infidel allies). But I digress.

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    1. Re:The truth slowly comes out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So, the Iranians admit to spoofing GPS positions and this *isn't* used as an excuse to say 'the Iranians tricked it into crossing the border'? Color me impressed.

    2. Re:The truth slowly comes out by DriedClexler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      With apologies to Under Siege 2:

      The US government is spying on Iran's nuclear ambitions. We (Americans and Iranians) know about the spying. And they know that we know. But we make-believe that we don't know, and they make-believe that they believe that we don't know, but know that we know.

      Everybody knows.

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    3. Re:The truth slowly comes out by Fluffeh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So, the Iranians admit to spoofing GPS positions and this *isn't* used as an excuse to say 'the Iranians tricked it into crossing the border'? Color me impressed.

      When Coke originally changed the recipe and then had to do a LOT of backpedalling to restore the original flavour (and get the sales back), the CEO made a wonderful comment on the whole thing. People were accusing Coca Cola of doing this on purpose to drive sales. Keough answered this speculation by saying "We're not that dumb, and we're not that smart".

      I think this can very much also apply to this situation. The US government wasn't dumb enough to openly admit to spying and the like, but they weren't smart enough to concoct your excuse before the cat was out of the bag.

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    4. Re:The truth slowly comes out by jd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Halting would be one thing, but the reality is that the CIA started off trying to prevent Iran restarting a nuclear weapons program that had already been halted, then it moved to trying to stop Iran developing nuclear weapons in a couple of decades that it would not likely be able to ever deliver. It is now trying to stop Iran having deliverable nuclear weapons in two years.

      The assassinations, sabotage of equipment and virus infestations have led to a massive increase in Iran's investment and a net acceleration of the program.

      As halting goes, this is a total, unmitigated disaster beyond all possible imagining. Doing absolutely nothing at the start would have been sounder policy, based on data available. Doing bugger all once the program had started would still have given us ten years WE DON'T HAVE ANYMORE.

      Whatever lunatic thought up the program needs their head examined because this is the kind of absolute failure of intelligence (and wits) plus absolute failure of strategy that has led to the US spending $1tn on achieving bugger all in the Middle East this past decade. $1tn we taxpayers have to fork up. $1tn we don't have, won't have and will never have because we're going to now be pulled into another $1tn disaster. WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY ANYMORE, EITHER!

      Doing the same thing and expecting different results is the definition of insanity, and by that standard half of CIA HQ should be locked up in a padded cell. This is inexcusable stupidity beyond all comprehension.

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    5. Re:The truth slowly comes out by sbrown123 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You mean the CIA has been actively trying to halt the nuclear weapons program of a nation who is opposed to the United States?

      Maybe a better, simpler solution is to build good relations with those who oppose you? This current strategy doesn't seem to be working very well and looks like it will only end with lots of people getting killed.

    6. Re:The truth slowly comes out by Intron · · Score: 5, Funny

      The more important aspect of the truth that's slowly leaking out is that U.S. officials are finally admitting that it was on a spy mission inside Iran and dropping that ridiculous cover story that it was just flying around Afghanistan and accidentally may have strayed into Iran (oopsy, whoopsy, did we cross your border?!?).

      Actually the drone was just going for a hike along the border. There's some wonderful scenery in that area. It had no idea it had strayed across the line into Iran until the Iranians captured it. It certainly was not doing any spying and hopes to be released soon so it can return to its journalism career.

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    7. Re:The truth slowly comes out by jd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One small correction -- at least one of the assassinated scientists turned out to be a theoretical quantum mechanics lecturer with no skills or knowledge applicable to the type of nuclear science relating to weapons technology. So basically they're not killing nuke scientists, they're killing scientists in the hopes of killing nuke scientists.

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    8. Re:The truth slowly comes out by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You mean the CIA has been actively trying to halt the nuclear weapons program of a nation who is opposed to the United States?

      Maybe a better, simpler solution is to build good relations with those who oppose you? This current strategy doesn't seem to be working very well and looks like it will only end with lots of people getting killed.

      Building good relations with Iran probably wouldn't go over very well, given the results in the past when the US has "built good relations with Iran". Avoiding screwing things up like the US has historically done would be a good first step, however. Working to remove the label of "international power-hungry bully" from the non-domestic US branches of government would also help. Until this happens, Iran's not going to trust the US further than it can throw a sandal.

    9. Re:The truth slowly comes out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://puzzles.nigelcoldwell.co.uk/nine.htm

    10. Re:The truth slowly comes out by OakDragon · · Score: 5, Funny

      I was a "die-hard apologist" - up until "Live Free or Die Hard". I just couldn't do it anymore.

    11. Re:The truth slowly comes out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Why are you so gullible to believe that this story is factual or the Iran Engineer even works for the government and is not making it up? The loss of GPS is already anticipated in American aircraft and weaponry since the cold war. The Soviet Union routinely jammed GPS in areas like North Korea. Hell LightSquared jams GPS with a WiFI broadcast, its nothing new. That's why since the 80s missiles use terrain mapping to either continue to the target or leave the jamming area. Once GPS is lost planes and missiles can use TERCOM or INS how did the Iranians get by that?
      The tomahawk missile has been around since the 80s and has this tech.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LightSquared#Interference_issues

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TERCOM

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_guidance

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomahawk_(missile)

    12. Re:The truth slowly comes out by Ardeaem · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The government doesn't like us because of the Shah and differences in how religion should affect policy, and they never will.

      Silly Iranians, so mad that we propped up a horribly oppressive regime. ("Maybe a better, simpler solution is to build good relations with those who oppose you?" would have been a good rule back then, too, eh?) Also, "and they never will" is a dumb statement to make. Being "nice" to nations can do wonders. After all, we turned Japan, our mortal enemy in WW2, with no history of democracy, on whom we dropped two atomic weapons, into one of our closest allies in just a few decades.

    13. Re:The truth slowly comes out by Squiddie · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Except that we realize what Israel plans to do with their weapons if they do lose a war and have to negotiate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_option A nation with this thought process does not deserve nuclear armament.

    14. Re:The truth slowly comes out by yuje · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Iran, too has been invaded before. Iraq invaded Iran within living memory and attempted to annex and wipe out Iran (Hussein cited the original Muslim invaders of Persia as rallying cries for his invasion). In doing so, Iraqi troops performed acts of brutality, and WMDs (supported by the US) against both military and civilian targets, as well as engaging in terror bombing.

      Why isn't it acceptable for Iran to say "Never again" and defend itself against neighbors that would see Iran destroyed? (Also keeping in mind that iran hasn't engaged in any aggressive actions or invasions against her neighbors since the 18th century or so, while Israel has bombed and invaded all of its neighbors at some pont, and its most recent war happened in only 2006.

    15. Re:The truth slowly comes out by martin-boundary · · Score: 5, Interesting
      You clearly don't understand the point of the puzzle. There's a fundamental difference between "knowing" (suspecting) that something is true, and knowing thateveryone knows that something is true, and knowing that everyone knows that everyone knows that something is true, etc.

      Think about how stable the system in the puzzle is before the stranger arrives, and after the stranger arrives.

  2. nice hack by Sebastopol · · Score: 5, Insightful

    putting aside allegiances for a moment and looking at this from a purely engineering standpoint: bad ASS!!

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    1. Re:nice hack by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have my doubts... no aviation system should rely solely on one data point for navigation. GPS is good, but easily jammed, counting on it in a military situation is questionable. The story would also imply that the Iranians cracked the encryption that military grade GPS uses, which would be far more concerning than merely losing a stealth drone. Until I hear otherwise, I'll have to doubt that the drone has no inertial navigation, VOR navigation, or compass & dead reckoning system.

    2. Re:nice hack by jamiesan · · Score: 5, Funny

      They probably outsourced it to someone in India.

  3. Military using common GPS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, first of all, this is just really neat. It sounds like something that would happen in a movie. That's some movie-hacker shit right there.

    That aside, the thing that really worries me here is that the military's GPS was able to be spoofed in the first place. One would think that the GPS the military relies on would be encrypted or something, y'know? How difficult is it to spoof military GPS?

    1. Re:Military using common GPS? by jandrese · · Score: 5, Informative

      GPS is mostly unencrypted. There are some bits (the highest precision bits) that can be pseudo-encrypted so only the military has the most accurate positioning information available, but that obfuscation has been turned off for a number of years now. The GPS signal is too weak and low bitrate to make super secure. Drowning out GPS is relatively easy to do too, because the signal is so ridiculously weak to begin with.

      I wouldn't be surprised if the next generation drones (and revisions of the current gen) have more inertial navigation equipment that is trusted over GPS in cases where the GPS suddenly shifts position in flight. Inertial navigation won't get a bird home safely (the error bars get really really big over time), but it might let the thing fly away from the GPS jammer/spoofer.

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    2. Re:Military using common GPS? by Bugs42 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      One would think that the GPS the military relies on would be encrypted or something, y'know? How difficult is it to spoof military GPS?

      Very. The military GPS signals are encrypted with some pretty large keys that are changed every 24 hours IIRC. However, the nav systems will probably fall back to using the civilian GPS if the military signal is unavailable for some reason. My guess is that you could drown out all the real GPS signals with noise, then feed the target some spoofed civilian signals to get it to go where you want.

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  4. Re:nice hack [easy, really] by Thagg · · Score: 5, Informative

    You don't have to crack the encryption. You can just record and playback the signals from the satellites, with appropriate time delays, at an intensity several orders of magnitude higher than the drone would receive the signals from the satellites.

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  5. The US Military by Cheech+Wizard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The United States spends more on military toys and the US military in general than *all* of the other nations in the world *combined* (which includes Russia and China). Yet, as was shown in Viet Nam, as was shown in Iraq, and is being shown in Afghanistan, the US military, with all its high tech toys, can be defeated by simple, low-tech (and cheap) devices made up of 25 bucks of Radio Shack parts. The US military has it's "eye on the ball", yet it continues to over estimate its power and the effectiveness of its toys. Trillions of US dollars down the drain every year for military toys and invasions of other countries which pose absolutely no threat to the US, and for what? A false sense of security at best.

  6. Re:STUPID by sl3xd · · Score: 5, Informative

    The last time I can recollect in this level of folly in aeronautics was in pre Vietnam days where the US got itself into a high level theory that manned flight and guns were no longer needed. It could all be done with missiles.

    The theory wasn't entirely unsound. Nearly every air to air victory in the past decade has been via missile.

    The problem was that during Vietnam, as many as half of the missiles didn't even ignite - they just fell to the ground inert. Of those that lit, fewer than half did anything other than fly in a straight line. And even if you had one a missile whose engine lit, the guidance tracked, and it was near the target - it's all for nothing if the explosives don't detonate. Pilots often ripple-fired 4-6 missiles at once, in the hope that one would work.

    The reliability gained by almost 50 years of air to air missile development since Vietnam has changed the situation considerably.

    The US and the West in general have suffered a disaster of large proportion. The technology was circumvented, and is now sat in the enemies hands. Soon it will be sold on to the Chinese and Russians, and the billions spend in the core research handed over to the enemy states for just about zero.

    You're putting a lot of trust in a propaganda piece from a country with a perfectly reasonable score to settle. At this point, I'd say the Iranians are (and should be) playing the propaganda for all they can, espescially on the home front.

    If you look at propaganda from the past century, you'd notice that the pattern is similar: Make a claim that "your team" outsmarted the enemy, and that's the reason for an event. It's pure BS, but that doesn't mean it won't play well for your allies and at the homefront.

    These drones aren't purpose-designed to spy on low-tech countries. They're designed to be able to go into far more advanced countries (ie. Russia and China) that are more than capable of toying with GPS, and in fact, where altering and jamming GPS is expected.

    Electronic warfare is 70+ years old at this point, and the questionable reliability of radio signals (espescially in the face of jamming) are well known. Being able to complete your mission with massive radio jamming is a requirement for anything that flies for the US military, and has been for generations.

    We don't know whether the drone had inertial navigation or not - given the size and cost involved, there's no reason it shouldn't have inertial navigation - in fact, I find it hard to believe it doesn't use INS. US cruise and ballistic missiles use INS, as do warplanes - specifically because it's well-known that GPS can't be counted on.

    If the drone does have INS (as well as terrain mapping, or both which is what I suspect), it's extremely unlikely that the Iranian story has even a hint of truth to it.

    The paradoxical level of comedy that the Iranians just Stux'xxed a US drone out of the sky and onto their landing strips just makes the paradox a hilarious one.

    That’s why I dont' believe it. Were it less comedic, I'd have no trouble with the story.

    It's great political theatre, but it doesn't line up with what I know about the technologies involved. I've built robots for the military. While gimmicking GPS is doable, it's only a piece of the puzzle - and one that can be easily gamed. It makes for great propaganda, but it overlooks the other systems that have to be onboard for the thing to fly.

    Drones have multiple independent means of determining its location, because GPS can't be counted on in a full-on war; it's one of the first things to fall in electronic warfare. INS is cheap, has been used for decades, and still is used because it can't be messed with externally. Terrain mapping is relatively new, but is also cheap to implement, and one of the drone's missions is to scan the terrain (with millimeter band radar).

    So unless the Iranians somehow found a way to externally modify INS, as well as shift large-scale sections (at least a hundred square miles) geography of the region in real-time, the GPS story just doesn't hold up.

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