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Aging Consoles Find New Life As Video Streamers

MojoKid writes "Microsoft's Xbox 360 console is six years old. The Nintendo Wii is five years old, and so is the Sony PlayStation 3. All three are due for an overhaul (can you imagine gaming on a PC that's half a decade old, or more?), and while they're still popular gaming platforms, consoles are really starting to shine as streaming media centers. According to market research firm Nielsen, streaming video on game consoles is up over last year. Xbox 360 owners now use their consoles to stream video 14 percent of the time, which is almost as much as PS3 users (15 percent). But it's the Wii that sees the most time as a streaming device, with Wii owners using their consoles to stream video a third of the time."

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  1. let me go home and cry some more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >(can you imagine gaming on a PC that's half a decade old, or more?)

    yes, I do it daily... TF2 still rocks.

    1. Re:let me go home and cry some more by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, it's easy, because most games these days are designed for consoles that are about as powerful as a five-year-old PC.

    2. Re:let me go home and cry some more by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Simply play older games.

      A lot of "old" stuff is still perfectly playable and better than a lot of newer stuff.

      Classics tend to be like that.

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    3. Re:let me go home and cry some more by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let's crunch the numbers: It's the thick end of being 2012 now. Not quite; but a 6 year old computer would be a somewhere in 2005 piece of kit.

      Depending on how much you spent at the time, that would mean an LGA775, 90nm, 'Prescott' P4 at between 2.8 and 3.8GHz(stock) or a socket 745 or 939 A64 somewhere between 1.8 and 2.6GHz(stock).

      Either of those would(unless you bought a really crappy motherboard, in which case it probably wasn't a gaming PC anyway) almost certainly have had a 16x PCIe slot, so they would be fully compatible with almost any video card released in the last six years. If you bought in 2005, a GeForce 6800 or RADEON X800/X850 would have been available, if not necessarily inexpensive. Either of those would happily enough play F.E.A.R. or CoD2 at 1280x1024 at 30FPS, and those were considered comparatively intensive games for their time.

      Actually kitting your 2005 system out with 4GB of RAM would probably have been too rich for most buyer's blood; with one or two being more likely; but most motherboards of the era(again, omitting cut-down junk that would never have been gaming, even at the time) should have 4 DDR2 slots, making an upgrade to an adequate-for-most-games 3 or 4GB quite cheap assuming your original configuration was 2x512 or 2x1GB.

      Sounds totally doable to me, even if you aren't a retro-gaming enthusiast...

    4. Re:let me go home and cry some more by Belial6 · · Score: 5, Informative

      GOG.com is the place for that too. Cheap prices. DRM free.

    5. Re:let me go home and cry some more by AngryDeuce · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, alas, not all of us can upgrade from our still working computers to newer ones just for the sake of gaming.

      Hell, how many PC games nowadays are just shitty console ports in the first place?

      I haven't played a game that really taxes a system since the original Crysis, and my circa-2008 Q6600 gaming rig with a couple Radeon 4670's in it has been able to play anything that's come out at perfectly reasonable medium/high settings to this day.

      The era of needing to upgrade every 6 months to play new computer games is dead, and it's been dead for a while now.

  2. Wii.... by msauve · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Wii has a pretty good Netflix client/interface. MUCH better than on my TiVo (which mostly just rebuffers and crashes). But, I recently got a Roku XD for $50, and that's better, still. Plus, it does HD and HDMI, which the Wii doesn't.

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  3. Horribly inaccurate conclusion... by Dahamma · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But it's the Wii that sees the most time as a streaming device, with Wii owners using their consoles to stream video a third of the time.

    The fact that a Wii is used for streaming 33 *percent* of the time has nothing to do with the *amount* of time spent streaming. It's not only possible, but very likely that XBox and PS3 users spend a lot more total time using their consoles than Wii users.

  4. Yes, I can by bonch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    can you imagine gaming on a PC that's half a decade old, or more?

    These days, I could. Because the 80s and 90s were something of a fluke in which hardware was progressing at a rapid rate, it coincided with the growth of the video game industry and attracted a lot of hardware geeks. But that era is gone, and hardware has stabilized to the point where new games are coming out targeting five year old hardware, and most people are okay with it. Skyrim runs on my first-generation Intel iMac from 2006.

    Diminishing returns in game development has reached the point where the jump to more powerful hardware, and therefore even higher-fidelity visuals, is just costing too much to justify the expense. That is the state of technology today. Some people don't like it because they want to forever relive the glory days of 90s MHz marketing and 3D card upgrades, but it's over, and thank goodness.

    1. Re:Yes, I can by Hatta · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Really, gaming is all old PCs are good for. The Apple II, TRS-80, Atari 800, all over 30 years old. I can't imagine doing productivity work on them but the games they play are as much fun today as they were 30 years ago.

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  5. Re:But the Wii doesn't even do HD! by garcia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I stream with the Wii because I don't have an HDTV nor will we for the foreseeable future. I'm guessing there are plenty of people in the same boat as me who, with one kid and one on the way, one income and very little disposable cash, can't seem to justify a $500 TV purchase when we're using Netflix instead of cable to save money in the first place.

  6. wii is an awesome netflix appliance by wierd_w · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Nintendo did it right in terms of how it handles its realtionship with netflix.

    Microsoft insists you have gold membership before you can use netflix on the 360. This costs you an extra 10$/mo. Combined, if all you want is streaming, this costs you 18$/mo. This double dipping to use netflix prompted me to shell out the one time cost of a wii. It streams netflix 80% or more of the time I use it.

    I recently set up a sony blueray disc player for a friend of my sister's, which can stream netflix. In order to activate it, you have to agree to an eula from sony, register the device for streaming through sony, agree to a sony tos, *THEN* you can activate the device through netflix. Once you do, the netflix experience is lacklustre, having super teeny tiny cover art thumbnails, and a terrible search experience from the remote.

    I had none of those issues with the wii. Go to the wii market, pull the free app, sign up with netflix and register the device, and off you go. No 3rd parties to the transaction, no eulas and tos to agree to with nintendo to enable it, nada. The cover art is the wii netflix app is large enough to read from the couch easily, and it is quick and easy to search with the wiimote without entering the konomi code on the damn thing just to pick a letter.

    The only drawback of the wii is that it is a low resolution device, and can't really push HD. If it did better than 480p at max it would be an ideal netflix appliance.

    I don't know what the situation is on the ps3 with netflix, since last I heard psn was free, but with an abysmally one sided eula--

    1. Re:wii is an awesome netflix appliance by thedohman · · Score: 4, Informative

      Speaking of using the Konami code in netflix... A slightly modified version can be to deactivate the account, so you can reactivate it. In theory you could use trial accounts, and just keep deactivating it to start a new trial account. I wouldn't be surprised if they tracked this and disabled Wiis that do it too much, but I also wouldn't be surprised if they didn't bother. (Got this from their tech support when we had a phantom account issue. Re-activating with the same account fixed our issue, but cleared our instant queue, recently watched, etc.).
      Slightly modified: U U D D L R L R U U U U

      Oh, and I'd say for now we use the Wii for Netflix and the homebrew WiiMC ( http://www.wiimc.org/ ) (for shoutcast 'radio', mostly) for about 80% of the Wii usage, and about 50% of total tv use. There is a 360 wrapped and under the tree, so those numbers will go down very soon.

  7. Re:But the Wii doesn't even do HD! by schlachter · · Score: 4, Funny

    When Nintendo named the Wii back in 2005...I doubt they imagined that Streaming would become a popular use for the device.

    None of us want to go around saying "I stream with my Wii"

    We'd all sound like a bunch of 5 yr olds making obvious but inappropriate comments. :)

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  8. Power by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Informative

    No wonder that set-top boxes don't sell.

    The bad part about this is that the set-top boxes draw a very small fraction of the power as the game consoles, which are power hungry beasts. I'm just spouting crap off randomly, as is my wont, but the Wii would have to be the lowest power consumer of the 3 major console systems. However the Wii would still be vastly more power hungry than a Roku, TiVo or Apple TV.

    Okay, okay. I can't believe I'm doing this here on Slashdot (backing up my assertions with references) but here you go:
    http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-356-2.htm
        The Wii uses 1/10th the power of an XBox 360 or PS3. A quick search shows that a Roku uses around 5-6 watts when in use, which is half of the Wii's 11 watts.

      So the moral of the story - using an XBox 360 or PS3 for streaming is very, very inefficient power-wise compared to dedicated set-top boxes or even the Wii.

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    1. Re:Power by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      So the moral of the story - using an XBox 360 or PS3 for streaming is very, very inefficient power-wise compared to dedicated set-top boxes or even the Wii.

      Unfortunately, the Wii only does 480p. That's OK if you don't have much bandwidth and you're streaming Netflix, which is my situation, but it's a bit pathetic if you have a >40" 1080p TV and you're trying to stream something from your local server. What's worse, it doesn't actually have enough CPU to decode any high-res streams and scale them down, so you're pretty much limited to SDTV-resolution media. The 360 and PS3 are DLNA clients, so you can use them with PS3MediaServer on your PC to play anything that they can't handle themselves because they don't have a codec. Of course, that means you also have to have a computer capable of transcoding the media in realtime running at the same time, and ticking over nicely to boot. But it's the only solution that permits you to play essentially any file you might come across. The original Xbox with XBMC used to be that solution, but it can't handle 1080p media and it has only 1080i (or 720p, or lower-resolution) output.

      The original Xbox was pretty good for its day, but it's pretty pathetic by modern standards. The Wii is what you'd really like to use, if only it had a touch more CPU and HD output. The next Nintendo system is supposed to cover those bases.

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