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How Does the CIA Keep Its IT Staff Honest?

Tootech points out this story for anyone who's been curious about getting that top-secret clearance and the promise of a cushy pension from the CIA, as a reward for decades of blood-curdling, heart-pounding, knuckle-whitening IT service: "Be prepared to go through a lot of scrutiny if you want to work in the Central Intelligence Agency's IT department, says chief information officer Al Tarasiuk. And it doesn't stop after you get your top secret clearance. 'Once you're in, there are frequent reinvestigations, but it's just part of process here,' says Tarasiuk, who also gets polygraphed regularly, though he won't be more specific. For those senior IT managers who are the 'privileged users,' meaning system administrators, 'there is certainly more scrutiny on you,' Tarasiuk says. 'It's interesting: there's so much scrutiny that a normal person might not want to put up with that. But it's part of the mission.'"

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  1. Cushy Pension by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Cushy pension"? Federal Employees get 1% for each year of service i.e. work 30 years and get 30% of your annual salary as a pension. They also get a 4% contribution to a 401(k). Better than nothing, but not really "cushy". Employees who are required to carry guns get a better deal, but TFA had to do with "IT" employees.

       

  2. Pension equivalent to a new hire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Cushy pension"? Federal Employees get 1% for each year of service i.e. work 30 years and get 30% of your annual salary as a pension. They also get a 4% contribution to a 401(k). Better than nothing, but not really "cushy". Employees who are required to carry guns get a better deal, but TFA had to do with "IT" employees.

    $150K salary at retirement, 30% = $45K / year guaranteed. That's more than the average working household, so it is pretty cushy. It may even be more than the new IT guy fresh out of college. So each retiree is like a currently employee on the staff.

    Plus keep in mind that these people have paid off their house, put their kids through college, etc. So the 30% of your final salary goes a lot farther than you may think.

    1. Re:Pension equivalent to a new hire by spiffmastercow · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Cushy pension"? Federal Employees get 1% for each year of service i.e. work 30 years and get 30% of your annual salary as a pension. They also get a 4% contribution to a 401(k). Better than nothing, but not really "cushy". Employees who are required to carry guns get a better deal, but TFA had to do with "IT" employees.

      $150K salary at retirement, 30% = $45K / year guaranteed. That's more than the average working household, so it is pretty cushy. It may even be more than the new IT guy fresh out of college. So each retiree is like a currently employee on the staff. Plus keep in mind that these people have paid off their house, put their kids through college, etc. So the 30% of your final salary goes a lot farther than you may think.

      Yeah, for a GS-15 maxed out in step increases. Most federal IT workers won't get past GS-12 in their career. And with so many years of pay freezes, they're not going to be anywhere near their top salary when they retire. Also, keep in mind that retirement is all or nothing. If you leave after 20 years but before you're 60, you get nothing.

    2. Re:Pension equivalent to a new hire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Since I'm a federal employee mechanical engineer I'll let you know my benefits since you can look them up anyway. I live in Orlando , FL and I am 40 years old with almost 20 years experience.. I'm a GS 13 Step 8. My base is $101k but with overtime I usually bring in about $110k. I pay $500 per month for my medical and dental which is one of the higher plans but I still pay copays and drugs are $75 for a 3 moth supply in the mail order.

      The pension is 3 parts now. You pay SS tax like everyone else. You pay a couple hundred towards you pension a month. You get 1% per year of service of the average of your best 3 years. There are some bonuses for delaying retirement and some penalties for taking it early. Unlike the post below you are vested with 5 years of service even if you can't collect until you reach minimum retirement age. Then there is the TSP which is like a very basic 401k. There are about 5 funds you can put money into. You get 1% of salary for nothing and then are matched 100% on the next 4%.

      Overall the benefits are are a little better than the contractors like Boeing that we work with but the pay is less. The biggest benefit is job security.

    3. Re:Pension equivalent to a new hire by murpup · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, the pay freezes are not stopping the automatic step increases. Just the automatic cost of living adjustments. My agency has taken an effective $25 million budget decrease because our approved budget has remained flat, but because the agency must still pay for all those step increases and promotions, it has to take $25 million from the money we would use for contracting to pay for those added salary expenses.

    4. Re:Pension equivalent to a new hire by mjwalshe · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not geting cola increases is a pay cut.

  3. Having gone to a CIA recruiting seminar by unassimilatible · · Score: 3, Informative

    "By only employing people selfish and/or stupid enough to want to work for the CIA."

    I can assure you they do not hire stupid people.

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  4. Re:Gets polygraphed regularly by 1729 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The DOE tried to push polygraphs on its cleared employees, and met with a lot of resistance from the scientists:

    http://www.spse.org/Polygraph_comments_Livermo.html

    The DOE can require polygraphs of its cleared employees in some circumstances, but to my knowledge it's rare that they actually do this.

  5. Re:Hmmm by nabsltd · · Score: 4, Informative

    ("I work for the CIA!" - with an ID with CIA on it to show chicks in a bar?)

    Last I saw, CIA badges (i.e., the thing that gets you into the building and opens doors, not a shiny gold thing) had a picture, an ID number and a barcode and nothing else on them.

    They may have changed, but if they haven't, there's nothing on them to indicate that they are CIA badges.

  6. Re:Honest? by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Informative

    They're spies, aka liars, thieves and criminals.

    You do realize that the National Clandestine Service (the actual "spies") is only one of 4 departments in the CIA, as well as the smallest department. Most of CIA is comprised of analysts, communications and support staff, and researchers/scientists. And even within the NCS, not every person is an officer, posted overseas and actively engaged in espionage. A lot of them are going to work at headquarters, working on the take brought in by the field officers.

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  7. Re:Hmmm by jc42 · · Score: 3, Informative

    By only employing people who are willing to work for money, and paying them well?

    I don't believe having money relates to being honest

    Actually, they are related - but the correlation coefficient is negative. ;-)

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  8. Risk/reward by Quila · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just think of a payoff: They'll pay you a million dollars for X information. You get caught, go to prison for 20 years at least. That's only $50,000 a year. You could have made a lot more than that as a cleared admin, and avoided a romantic relationship with Bubba.

    In reality, they don't usually pay that much for a run-of-the-mill information passer. Jonathan Pollard got $1,500 a month from the Israelis, and got life in prison. Robert Hanssen was a very high level spy, not just an admin, so he got $1.4 million over 22 years, and the rest of his life in prison (where he will die).

    And if you think you're so smart that you have a very low chance of getting caught, then you're an idiot. Hanssen himself was a counterintelligence agent, and that helped him go for as long as he did, but he still got caught.

    BTW, one of the things they check is unaccounted indicators of wealth, and they do ask friends and neighbors, and check your financials. I remember a new soldier was investigated back in the 80s because he showed up one day with a new BMW 7-series. This wasn't even caught during a reinvestigation, they just noticed. Turns out dad was rich and gave him the car as a reward for joining the Army. With such a clear reason he was okay, but had he not been able to show a solid source for the money he would have been in a whole heap of trouble.

  9. Re:Security -- or theatre? by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The polygraph is just one part of the science used to detect lies, not the sole source.

    I don't think you understand the word "science". Science is more than repeatable results.

    Sure, it can detect variances in physical attributes that are tied to lying,

    No, actually, when scientific methods have been used, it has not shown to be effective at detecting lies. In fact, it has been shown many times that it is trivially easy to fool. The polygraph may detect certain responses, but there is no science that links those responses to lying. In other words, science, when applied to the polygraph shows that it is not effective.

    The real problem with relying on crutches such as the polygraph is that a negative result is more likely to allow a real spy (who would know how to "pass" a polygraph test) to continue undetected than not using the tool at all.

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  10. Re:Hmmm by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Binary holograms over the whole badge are easy to apply and if you hire competent security people, it will be easily spotted.
    we did that at comcast for high level tech jobs, the Id did not say comcast anywhere on the rfid badge. when you looked at it in direct light you could see a pattern of 1's and zeros repeating across it.

    The guards were trained to look for that. Plus the image on the badge had to match the one in file at the security entry or the guard did not open the man trap but instead called the local police to retrieve you.

    At least that is how it was at the On demand central NOC... All those first run movies in mpeg2 form without any encryption or DRM.....

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