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AT&T Officially Ends Plans To Acquire T-Mobile USA

An anonymous reader writes "AT&T has officially announced that it no longer plans to purchase T-Mobile USA from Deutsche Telekom. In a press release, the company said, 'The actions by the Federal Communications Commission and the Department of Justice to block this transaction do not change the realities of the U.S. wireless industry. It is one of the most fiercely competitive industries in the world, with a mounting need for more spectrum that has not diminished and must be addressed immediately. The AT&T and T-Mobile USA combination would have offered an interim solution to this spectrum shortage. In the absence of such steps, customers will be harmed and needed investment will be stifled.'"

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  1. And there was much rejoicing !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A t-mobile subscriber.

    1. Re:And there was much rejoicing !! by TehDuffman · · Score: 2

      Now does DT use this 4 billion on TMo's network (LTE!) or save it and sell TMo to someone else. That is the question.

    2. Re:And there was much rejoicing !! by Captain+Spam · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, there was some rejoicing. Deutsche Telekom still wants out of the US market, so we can sort of expect to be treated like second-class citizens for a while until the inevitable occurs and either T-Mobile sinks entirely or someone ELSE buys them out.

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    3. Re:And there was much rejoicing !! by devleopard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just remember why Deutsche Telekom wanted to get rid of T-Mobile: it's a bad business for them, they want out. They tried to sell before (to Orange). T-Mobile will still get bought, or will go under. Why did Sprint oppose the deal? They don't care who owns their competitors: they knew T-Mobile was in a death march, and knew they'd get customers when they flatlined. The AT&T deal kept them from getting that plunder. (To say nothing of the assets that will come available when T-Mobile declares bankruptcy)

      Of course, T-Mobile gets a couple of billion dollars from AT&T due to the failed merger, which should hold off failure for a couple of years. Nonetheless, if you're a T-Mobile customer, you need to keep your eyes open and determine who your next carrier will be.

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    4. Re:And there was much rejoicing !! by InlawBiker · · Score: 4, Informative

      T-Mobile is very profitable. Deutsche only wants out because it's no longer in growth mode. It certainly won't grow any without spectrum and LTE, and it can't afford either one. So yeah it will be sold or merged one way or another, but it's not a bad business. They can ride their faux-G network for a while but not forever.

    5. Re:And there was much rejoicing !! by Miamicanes · · Score: 4, Interesting

      From Sprint subscribers, too. T-Mobile's our lifeboat and sanctuary if Sprint becomes evil someday.

    6. Re:And there was much rejoicing !! by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      T-Mobile is doing fine, it's just that DK wants to go in a different direction. They're not going to crash and burn a valuable asset just to exit the U.S. wireless market though. They'll try to sell it off somewhere instead (being careful to maintain it's value in the mean while), or perhaps spin it out and sell it one share at a time.

    7. Re:And there was much rejoicing !! by lanner · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If the kind of service that I've gotten with TMobile over the last 10 years is "second-class", I'll have to say I like it. What would that make ATT customers? Fifth-class citizens?

      Remember that TMobile is a PROFITABLE company. They are actively making money. If DT would just cut them lose and give them the freedom to succeed or fail, I am willing to bet that they would do pretty well.

    8. Re:And there was much rejoicing !! by icebike · · Score: 2

      Well, there was some rejoicing. Deutsche Telekom still wants out of the US market, so we can sort of expect to be treated like second-class citizens for a while until the inevitable occurs and either T-Mobile sinks entirely or someone ELSE buys them out.

      They have said they wanted out, with 4 billion may change their mind.

      They are not particularly profitable in the US because they are tied to the Euro mind-set of how mobile works. It doesn't work that way in North America, and never has. The area you need to cover is vast, the technologies in place are varied, and other than a Cutey in a Pink Dress, they don't have anything that is significantly different than any one of several small-fry carriers.

      They need to change their mindset, realize they are in it for the long haul, and decide to make some money.
      As long as they keep chipping at the business, all the while expressing distaste for the market, and doing the minimal amount to expand their coverage they will never be profitable.

      Perhaps they need to pair with a couple of the smaller regional carriers, or look to Ball Canada or Rogers for a partnership.

      But continuing to moan about how unprofitable it is gets them nowhere.

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    9. Re:And there was much rejoicing !! by Rich0 · · Score: 2

      I could care less - as long as they sell it to somebody who doesn't already operate a large mobile network in the US. They'd have every incentive to continue to improve the operation, and DT has every incentive to make TMo look good for sale.

    10. Re:And there was much rejoicing !! by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      What small market area are you talking about? Last summer, I traveled in big loop around the US between California and Wisconsin. Wyoming was the only state that I did not get good signal in. I spent 6 weeks working from the back of a mini-van with no problems.

      I made a bone head configuration setting on my phone in Minisotta, and the customer service in the T-Mobile store in Minisotta was just as good as that here in California.

    11. Re:And there was much rejoicing !! by danlip · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why is that delusional? He paid T-Mobile for service. He got service. Why does he care who owns the towers?

    12. Re:And there was much rejoicing !! by Zibodiz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm a T-Mo customer living in Wyoming. I travel a lot for my job (I cover about 2.5 million square miles across 4 states, mostly in Wyoming), and my Android phone is roaming 95% of the time. The great thing is, being an Android phone, it tells me what network I'm roaming on, and lets me choose if I want to. The data flat does not work on most of the carriers, but the voice coverage is awesome. I'm never on AT&T (their coverage is always sub-par), but I always have 4 bars everywhere I go, including all the places my old Verizon phone had no coverage at all. I get to roam onto all the local carriers, and always have better coverage that anyone else. I cannot imagine a nicer setup (other than, say, getting to use data everywhere). My family that uses AT&T here in Wy hate it; poor coverage, rude customer service, and high prices.
      Oh, and it costs a third what my Verizon dumbphone did, without a data plan.

    13. Re:And there was much rejoicing !! by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      Hint: My phone tells me what network I am on. No. I wasn't roaming most of the time.

    14. Re:And there was much rejoicing !! by Scoth · · Score: 3, Informative

      It seems like every discussion on cell phone providers ends up with stories like this. People who've had little or no problem everywhere they go, people who had trouble with signal on one provider in some area but fine with another, etc. I had an opposite experience with Verizon and T-Mobile - Verizon sucked in my house in a suburb of Atlanta, both T-Mobile and now AT&T have been great. Verizon also sucked at my in-law's house out in the very middle of nowhere PA, while T-Mobile also sucked and AT&T is at least usable.

      So, it pretty much seems like everyone needs to find the provider that works best in their area while they all need to work more on network coverage.

  2. What says they won't try another way? by sethstorm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It just seems odd that AT&T would let a leak stop them from acquiring T-Mobile.

    As a very satisfied T-Mobile customer with flat-rate 3G, I'm not going to put it beyond AT&T to try some less-visible route to get rid of the only national carrier that doesn't try to meter data.

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    1. Re:What says they won't try another way? by Miamicanes · · Score: 2

      Sprint has been known to send nastygrams to subscribers who *egregiously* go over 5gb, month after month after month, and occasionally fires customers who are out of contract and do it... but it's pretty rare. You have to abuse Sprint and data pretty badly and be a total pain to get dumped as a customer, especially if you're on a full-priced individual Android plan. The people who really end up on Sprint's hit list are the ones who somehow managed to stack discounts over the years and now pay something ridiculous, like $80/month for a half-dozen lines, and somehow manage to use unbelievable numbers of minutes and megabytes from all of them month after month.

  3. Why link to a story which only rehashes the press by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The story just rehashes the press release by AT&T.

    And by the time the story got to Slashdot, others have already written decent stories about it - those would have made much better links.

    The business perspective .

    The regular news

    And the tech perspective

  4. Best news for a while by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Insightful

    T-Mobile is the ONE operator that's pro-openness. GSM (bring your own device) from the start, no restrictions on how you use data, until the AT&T stuff started they even offered low cost, subsidy free, contract free talk plans. There's a reason it was T-Mo, and not AT&T, Verizon, or Sprint, who Google picked to launch Android.

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    1. Re:Best news for a while by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      CDMA, and it doesn't allow tethering...

      Trust me, I've done the research, as a T-Mobile customer looking for an exit. All the other choices, ALL OF THEM, sucked. MetroPCS until recently were, with Cricket, one of the most locked down operators, but they're opening up a little with the move to LTE. I don't trust their culture to keep at it for now any more than I trust Verizon.

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    2. Re:Best news for a while by geminidomino · · Score: 2

      Do they still use DPI to intercept "media" downloads that might be used to egregiously abuse their network by getting ringtones and wallpapers without jumping through their stupid "locker" hoops or buying it from them?

    3. Re:Best news for a while by realityimpaired · · Score: 4, Interesting

      AT&T would shit themselves if some of the plans you can get in Canada were made available in the US, let alone a European or a Japanese plan.

      To put things in perspective for our American friends, from a carrier like Mobilicity (one of the newer startups, only available in big cities at the moment), you can get unlimited Canada/US talk, global texting, call display, voicemail, 3-way calling, and unlimited data (including tethering) for $55/mo. If you pre-pay the year in advance it comes to about $35/mo (and that's not a special offer... the holiday special offer that's on right now is $27.50/mo for the first 6 months, or 12 months if you put it on automatic preauthorized payments). You can bring your own phone if you like, or you can buy an Android phone from them for as little as $169, and that's without a term contract. Their coverage is good as long as you don't leave the big city, and if you do leave the city, you'll roam on one of the national networks.

      And if you'd rather have a plan on the national network, I am paying $40/mo for my smartphone plan... it's not unlimited data (it's a flex plan, $5/mo is the minimum data level, which I'm usually on, but it goes up to $30/mo for 3GB, tethering included even at the $5/mo level), and it's only 150 anytime minutes, but I have unlimited evenings/weekends @ 5pm-8am (which is basically unlimited talk when you're at work M-F 9-5), and unlimited long distance, as well as global texting, call display, voicemail, 3-way calling, etc. That's with Koodo, which is a fight brand wholly owned by Telus, which is one of the big 3 carriers.

      And at this point, the Americans are probably saying "holy shit, you can get a plan like those in Canada?". And the Europeans and Japanese are saying "holy shit, people actually pay that much?"

  5. HA! by autocracy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bite me, AT&T. Auto repair is competitive.

      * Cell phones in the US have a small pool of providers, especially the nation-wide crowd.
      * They primarily operate with 2 year contracts, and it's hard to get a phone without one.
      * There's a financial disincentive for buying a phone without a contract.
      * Text message rates (for which there is very little data usage, being measured in bytes) have been increasing.
      * Data plans have been increasing in price and providing tighter bandwidth restrictions at the same time.

    I loathe AT&T, and I'm stuck with them. Competitive? I'd get out in a heartbeat if I felt I had somewhere to go. T-Mobile has been the closest saving grace to AT&T, so I really don't want to see that absorbed.

    Thanks to the Fed did -- they did one right there.

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    1. Re:HA! by Doogie5526 · · Score: 2

      Maybe it's just me being picky and not a competition issue...but I rarely get close to 400min/mo. That's the smallest plan offered (unless I'm a senior) and I pay $39. I have a smart phone, but don't have a data plan (use wifi only)--but would love to have one. I think a data plan would cost another $20-30 (about $70 total before taxes).

      None of those plans would really fit my needs. What I would prefer is similar to what I saw in London; a pay-as-you-go talk and data system. Nobody in the US has pay-as-you-go data and the pay-as-you-go talk stuff has weird rules where things expire at the end of the month or you get charged a dollar a day.

      I'm willing to believe that I'm an outlier and one of the few who can look past that impulse to pay nothing up front in exchange for a contract and high monthly bill.

    2. Re:HA! by Chaos+Incarnate · · Score: 2

      Verizon and Sprint are—or should be—no-gos for anybody even thinking about ever visiting outside North America.

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    3. Re:HA! by TexVex · · Score: 2

      Stuck? Why not go prepaid with an MVNO?

      I recently canceled with AT&T and converted to TracFone. I bought a Motorola phone outright for $90, which came with a "triple minutes for the life of the phone" deal. The triple minutes thing brings my per-minute cost down to $0.047 per minute. Text messages cost me 0.3 minutes of time, and browsing the web charges minutes during usage.

      Over the three months I've had it, I've been paying a little less than $17 per month on average. Compared to what AT&T was charging me -- and I was on the cheapest voice and data plans -- the phone paid for itself before the second month was up.

      The only change I made was to start using my computer to make voice calls when I'm at home -- and my bluetooth headset allows me to talk away from the computer once the call is connected.

      The "customer retention" tool that took my cancellation call tried to tell me that TracFone coverage would be lacking. TracFone runs over AT&T's network.

      So how the hell can a third party resell AT&T pay-as-you-go service for half of what AT&T itself charges for that same service? Somebody is really getting screwed. And it's not me, at least not any more.

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  6. It still hurt T-Mobile bad by mamono · · Score: 2

    I know a lot of people who's contracts were up and jumped ship on the news that AT&T was going to buy them. I don't know the percentage but every T-Mobile subscriber I know all moved to other carriers when they heard the initial announcement.

    1. Re:It still hurt T-Mobile bad by Jeng · · Score: 4, Informative

      That is why AT&T is going to pay them around 3 Billion in compensation.

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    2. Re:It still hurt T-Mobile bad by Esteanil · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I know a lot of people who's contracts were up and jumped ship on the news that AT&T was going to buy them. I don't know the percentage but every T-Mobile subscriber I know all moved to other carriers when they heard the initial announcement

      That is why AT&T is going to pay them around 3 Billion in compensation.

      So, T-Mobile is undersubscribed, (Wee, bandwidth!) and gets 3 billion to build up their network with... Invest 85/15% in infrastructure / the advertising campaign they're gonna need, and they might well become a significant player on the US market again, wouldn't you say?

      And full speed LTE on a carrier with a solid network is a beautiful thing.

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    3. Re:It still hurt T-Mobile bad by TheEyes · · Score: 2

      I jumped the other way, actually. I wanted to have a grandfathered T-mobile plan on AT&T's network. :D

      But now that I made the switch I am so happy. I have had a couple of coverage issues since making the switch, like not being able to get a signal when I was in Yosemite, but I'm saving so much on my bill, and the customer service is so much better, it's just not a big deal to me.

  7. Hooray! by aaronrp · · Score: 2

    Our cell phone oligopoly will have four participants instead of three!

  8. AT&T Attitude Problem Hasn't Changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    "We own our customers." has been the attitude for decades.

    Has anybody forgotten their CEO's "my pipes" speech with the subtext of "That's a nice internet connection you have. Be a shame if anything happened to it."?

  9. Re-Title This Accordingly by crow_t_robot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    DoJ/FCC Officially End AT&T's Plans To Acquire T-Mobile USA
    Because that's who really made the final decision.

  10. Good news by BCW2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is a reason that AT&T was broken up 25 or so years ago. Those reasons still hold true. They were the worst service and most dishonest company around in the 70's. I have not dealt with them since I was given a choice and never would again. They don't need to buy other companies and become bigger.

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    1. Re:Good news by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 2

      Too bad the current AT&T isn't the AT&T from the 1970's. It is SBC, which was one of the baby-bell spinoffs from when AT&T was broken up. They bought a bunch of the other spinoffs and splits, etc., over the years, and a couple years back, bought AT&T, and then renamed themselves AT&T since it was the more widely known name (and they owned it so they could do whatever they wanted). So, the current AT&T is actually one of the spin offs that AT&T that you hated was broken up into....

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    2. Re:Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I hope that you are not using Verizon now, because that would be ironic. It is still hard to get away from AT&T. it is just now they have more names.

    3. Re:Good news by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Too bad the current AT&T isn't the AT&T from the 1970's. It is SBC, which was one of the baby-bell spinoffs from when AT&T was broken up. [...] So, the current AT&T is actually one of the spin offs that AT&T that you hated was broken up into....

      So you're saying that the current AT&T actually is the old AT&T, since it's made up of one of the splinters of the old AT&T which has bought most of the other pieces of the old AT&T? Thanks for clearing that up for us.

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  11. T-Mobile USA is not sliding towards bankruptcy.... by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Informative

    T-Mobile will still get bought, or will go under.

    To say nothing of the assets that will come available when T-Mobile declares bankruptcy

    T-Mobile USA makes money. It just doesn't make enough money for the corporate overlords at DT. They don't view the United States as a growth market without billions of dollars in capital investment they've thus far been unwilling to make. Absent that investment T-Mobile USA will remain what it has always been: an urban focused value carrier.

    T-Mobile will still get bought, or will go under.

    Vodaphone is a possibility if they divest their 45% share of Verizon Wireless. Verizon would love to buy them out; the question is would they be willing to sell to jump into the US market with both feet or does it make more sense for them to keep cashing VZW dividend checks?

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  12. Think of the poor customers. by Joe+U · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The AT&T and T-Mobile USA combination would have offered an interim solution to this spectrum shortage. In the absence of such steps, customers will be harmed and needed investment will be stifled.

    And I bet the grapes were sour too.

  13. Re:T-Mobile USA is not sliding towards bankruptcy. by SecurityFocus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Right. T mobile is a very pervasive player in the Telecommunications landscape. SBC or AT&T as they like to be called, LOVES to buy out direct competitors. They saw Tmobile as a very large player in the space and coupled with T-mobile's 4g network and affordable prices, it was a natural fit for them. I worked for AT&T both before and after they where purchased by SBC. Which I detailed some of my experiences at http://whyattdestroysjobs.wordpress.com/ ... Let's just say while I was there, ATT management as well as Sales Managers such as myself while I was employed with AT&T where constantly going up against T mobile.. Simply because they T-mobile offered affordable plans, greater flexibility in devices, and more affordable and faster service(s) and CUSTOMER SERVICE that was hands down better than AT&T/SBC. Only what ATT did not bargain on- which frankly they should of KNOWN is the current economy and state of affairs in DC - that proposing a Merger in an election year when unemployment is at record highs and their is further economic uncertainty around the world, that a deal like this that would stifle innovation, lead to higher consumer prices, et al could not of been proposed at a worse time!

  14. Verizon Found a Better Way by ShiftyOne · · Score: 2

    This probably had something to do with it. Verizon found a way to buy as much spectrum as they wanted while jumping through way less regulation hurdles. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/12/verizon-buys-up-spectrum/2/

  15. Verizon is to Bell as AT&T is to Bell. by TwinkieStix · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm not sure why you're not getting modded up. Verizon is as much "Ma Bell" as AT&T is.

    http://www.freepress.net/files/att_history.jpg

  16. Re:AT&T Officially Ends Plans to Be a Monopoly by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

    Now ya see THAT is what I don't get. Now wasn't the whole point of breaking up AT&T to get rid of the " giant money sucking lousy service lucky if we get around to it 3 weeks from Tuesday wallet raping nickle and diming royal PITA with customer service that hell wouldn't have" one size fits nobody phone service? so WTF?

    I have watched AT&T reform like the damned T-1000 and as someone who has to deal with their sorry asses on behalf of customers frankly I've seen third tier Bangalore cue card readers with better service and you could probably get better coverage from a CB radio than their damned overloaded towers. Its bad enough i had to get dad one of those mini cell towers that plugs into his DSL (which thankfully comes from someone else) just so he could use his damned cell phone without walking down to the corner in the cold just to get reception!

    Frankly I don't know whose bright idea it was to let AT&T get back together but I think I'd rather see the return of Enron or Worldcom than lousy ass AT&T. so let me say congrats T-mobile users,lucky bastards .As someone stuck in an AT&T only area let me say i wouldn't wish AT&T on my worst enemy, be thankful and consider this reprieve a most glorious Xmas prezzie, because you could have been in for a world of suck!

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  17. Opposite for iPhone, Verizon/Sprint best overseas by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Verizon and Sprint areâ"or should beâ"no-gos for anybody even thinking about ever visiting outside North America.

    For the iPhone the opposite is true.

    If you have an AT&T iPhone you can pay a large amount of money for international data and voice plans - but AT&T will not unlock the phone.

    But if you get an iPhone 4s on Verizon or Sprint, they will unlock the phone for you - they don't care because it will not help you in the US where they are CDMA services, the GSM portion they unlock is only good for you overseas.

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  18. As someone who used to work at T-Mobile... by euroq · · Score: 2

    As a person who used to work at T-Mobile, and was privy to some insider information about the economic and technological aspects of the deal, I believe this is going to be a bad thing for T-Mobile and its customers. The problem T-Mobile is facing is that its parent company, Deutsche Telecom, is not investing in T-Mobile in the amount that it needs to catch up to the bigger customers. All of the 4 billion dollars that AT&T is required to pay T-Mobile is going to DT, and not likely* to be used for T-Mobile infrastructure. T-Mobile simply cannot catch up in terms of capital to compete with Verizon and AT&T.

    * I can't say how much of the 4 billion dollars will or will not be, but the idea when we were discussing the deal was that 1. we didn't think we had to worry about it, and 2. if the deal did actually fail, the money went straight to DT and would not affect their investments in T-Mobile USA.

    There was lots of talk about how the merger would have stifled innovation and created monopolistic problems. Well, those who said it don't understand the technological problems of the wireless utility industry. There is not enough spectrum for either AT&T or T-Mobile to compete separately while providing the best service for their customers. There is not enough capital for T-Mobile to build wireless infrastructure across the country. If there were, you may have a case about a monopoly. But there isn't, so you don't. There isn't enough spectrum for AT&T, and there isn't enough money for T-Mobile. T-Mobile isn't going to be able to provide the best customer service in the business and the coolest phones (only one of the four without iPhone) and the capital infrastructure for 4G and future wireless technologies.

    Both companies, and the American consumer, has lost because of this deal's breakdown. I no longer work at T-Mobile, and I think they will continue to be a successful company, but I believe they will be drowned out by Verizon and AT&T due to their size, regardless of T-Mobile's continued nimbleness and "scrappiness".

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  19. Re:T-Mobile USA is not sliding towards bankruptcy. by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 2

    This is what is wrong with the business world as a whole worldwide. It isn't 'good enough' to make a quality product that provides something useful to you customers and pays all the employees while turning a smallish profit. it must GROW GROW GROW , which sooner or later always messes over the customer and creates unstable markets, because guess what , resources and capital aren't infinite.

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