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Victory For Irish File Sharers Dashed By Government Report
2phar writes "The Irish Government is 'to publish an order early in the new year to allow music publishers, film producers and other parties to go to court to prevent ISPs from allowing their customers access to "pirate" websites.' The government has 'written to music publisher EMI Ireland confirming the order will be published and incorporated into existing legislation in January ... EMI Ireland recently warned the Government that it would take legal action against the State if the Government did not address the problem.'"
This is a response to a ruling that Eircom's current "three strikes" rules were illegal due to privacy issues.
Ireland. You're now our bitch. Bend over and take it like the sissy you are.
-RiAA
"File Sharers" has a bad connotative definition, justly or not, because of the marketing against 'file sharing' being bad. ...but back on point....
Email, IMs, text messages, VOIP, regular phone calls, are all forms of "file sharing", depending on how you look at it.
The previous court finding was a victory common sense, good judgement, and for those in power having a basic understanding of how technology works.
Looks like TOR and other proxy/tunneling services and procedures are about to get a lot more popular in the Republic of Ireland...
> EMI Ireland recently warned the Government
Ok, so now corporations not only sue people, they openly threaten governments of legal action, and governments chicken out and pass laws that restrict people's freedom. Can we yet declare a new feudal regime?
So you're not going to be hauled over the coals through a three strikes system - WIN!
Certain sites may be blocked - Meh.
If you really want to get to a site you'll get to it either via tor, running your own DNS, or via a VPN. I'd take this system over a three strikes any day.
The months are just too short. I can count the number of days on one hand.
I guess Ireland has no concept of sovereign immunity, or is this a result of how the EU is structured?
I think the music-industry is hostile to free speech. It is not ethical to buy their music. Use creative-commons or small, independent labels instead.
EMI Ireland recently warned the Government that it would take legal action against the State if the Government did not address the problem.
"We'll sue you if you don't change your laws"?! On what basis? Did I just misunderstand that sentence?
I would like a firewall which adds asshats to it one by one. Each time an EMI pulls this shit, plonk, no more access on-line to any of the product or messages. They essentially disappear from my life. I feel the rate of opt-in would increase asymptotically after the sixth addition. Maybe a three strikes policy could be introduced, redemption could be achieved with the individual responsible instantly lost their job, maybe the rest would get a clue.
I'm glad I don't live where you live where fundamental freedoms can just be revoked on the whim of a law-maker. If someone tries to legislate my freedom away, they'd better be ready for a fight.
Just imagine if the progress of science was bound by "intellectual property" - we'd still be in the dark ages. Human culture has always revolved around the sharing of culture, whether that means singing songs around a campfire or viral youtube videos, sharing is in our nature.
You're a temporary arrangement of matter sliding towards oblivion in a cold, uncaring universe
So.... where do you live? If you answer United States i'm going to piss myself laughing so hard.
Don't be surprised by this, the Irish government has history on bowing to lobby groups. The government got billions from the European Union (Brussels) to vote FOR a treaty that was AGAINST the people's interests in having it signed. However with a totally one sided BS campaign of lies by the Irish government, the people voted to sign away Ireland to Brussels control, and the government got it's blood money in return.
As a side comment, will the Irish be blocked from accessing Canadian websites due to the Canadian record companies pirating of their own artists?
Take Nobody's Word For It.
File sharing technologies have been evolved to provide the maximum amount of convenience to as many users as possible. An inconvenient system results in too few users for a file share network to be sustainable. The goal of organisations is to reduce the number of users. The goal of sharers is to increase it.
The "Three Strikes Law" enabled organisations to state that they will catch people file-sharing and cut off their connection. We have to persuade users (most being non-technical) that the technology we produce to evade detection (encryption etc) keeps them safe. This is difficult when they are also being told it does not work by our opponent organisations.
This regulation against ISPs creates a technical problem without recrimination for solving it. It essentially results in an inability to trust the security and reliability of the network technologies at the lower end of the OSI model (controlled by the ISPs). This results in more inconvenience for the end user but no fear.
This plays straight to our hands. Not only are the developers of communication systems used to dealing with unreliable networks, we can now go to people with our tools (Tor,Free DNS etc), but instead of having to persuade them that it protects them from punishment, we just have to show them the tools remove their inconvenience - resulting in more users using encrypted file sharing technologies and tor.
As a bonus, we can help users hide and encrypt everything by default, creating a culture of protected information amongst ordinary people. This not only satisfies the goal by the file sharers, but also reduces the effectiveness of every other regime and organisation from governments down who want to censor the information people share.
If we play this right we will be telling our children we were there when we took away control of the internet.
Website blocking is pernicious, whether by country or -IAA. Somehow, 3rd world countries just keep looking better and better.
So you don't live in the USA - Where laws allowing companies to do this were created?
Or Europe - where they apply
Or any other 1st world nation - who have signed up ...
Or Any 3rd world nation who owe enough to bow to the corporations
which leaves repressive dictatorships...
So you don't live on Earth ? - Life does exist on other planets ...!
Puteulanus fenestra mortis
If you have enough money to go round suing governments, piracy must not be cutting very deep into the bottom line.
Having to work for a living is the root of all evil.
The UK - so you'll probably still have a good laugh.
You're a temporary arrangement of matter sliding towards oblivion in a cold, uncaring universe
I live in YOUR MIND!
You're a temporary arrangement of matter sliding towards oblivion in a cold, uncaring universe
The legislation isn't published yet I have talked to the TD in question and he said he took both sides of the argument although he refuses to comment on who both sides of the argument are.(EMI and EMI maybe) I have written to both of my TD's in government and I expect to be notified when the legislation is available and be given sufficient time to read it to decide its merit before it is voted on
The US Federal Government seizes websites on claims of copyright and trademark infringement, congress proposes bills (SOPA and PROTECT-IP) that force American ISPs to block websites accused of such infringement, and now we hear that Ireland wants to force ISPs to block alleged "pirate" websites? Is this all just coincidence, or is there a coordinated effort afoot to impose these kinds of restrictions on as many sovereign nations as possible?
"In prison you just have to shut your eyes and take it. Here you have to shut your eyes and give it."
Please tell me that "the State" is going to tell "the Corporation" to kiss its rosy white ass.
Of course, the absolute opposite will probably happen...And the state will force the ISP's to spend money enforcing the desires of the corporation...because that's somehow fair.
This is a topic for tonight's monthly meeting of Irish Free Software Organisation:
http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/fsfe-ie/2011-December/003005.html
Other mail starting the discussion:
http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/fsfe-ie/2011-December/003006.html
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You know America is an Imperialist Dictatorship when, well, when it looks like Europe.
LOL silly Europeans, think they know what freedom is or what democracy looks like. So *cute*...
Human culture has always revolved around the sharing of culture
And the break-neck speed of techincal innovation over the last century or two has been as fast as it has been because the people risking the time and money have a vested interest in the outcome of their R&D. Many of them would never be able to hire people and build the facilities in which they do their work without IP protections to make it possible in the first place. Designing microchips is not the same as singning around the campfire (did you really just use that as an analogy?).
lol
Contrary to the popular belief, there indeed is no God.
the post on irishbitz.net said that the best isp to not get kicked off was NTL ..
with a VPN ....
with a seedbox if possible.
as far as i understand Ireland is behind on most open source websites, but this comes half-way to addressing the sharing problem in that country.
although they do have hackspace and ubuntu local group.
PS I believe you have to play with the cookies and you only get 3 attempts to access the site until you get barred for 48 hours.
Good-luck peeps !!