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Software Bug Caused Qantas Airbus A330 To Nose-Dive
pdcull writes "According to Stuff.co.nz, the Australian Transport Safety Board found that a software bug was responsible for a Qantas Airbus A330 nose-diving twice while at cruising altitude, injuring 12 people seriously and causing 39 to be taken to the hospital. The event, which happened three years ago, was found to be caused by an airspeed sensor malfunction, linked to a bug in an algorithm which 'translated the sensors' data into actions, where the flight control computer could put the plane into a nosedive using bad data from just one sensor.' A software update was installed in November 2009, and the ATSB concluded that 'as a result of this redesign, passengers, crew and operators can be confident that the same type of accident will not reoccur.' I can't help wondering just how a piece of code, which presumably didn't test its input data for validity before acting on it, could become part of a modern jet's onboard software suite?"
sure, but the number of accidents will likely still be fewer than those caused by human drivers.
Even on the road today this is an issue. Doesn't matter how good of a driver you are. If one other idiot on the road is driving crazy, you could get killed no matter how you drive. Weakest link and all that...
"Freedom in the USA is not the ability to do what you want. It is the ability to stop others from doing what THEY want"
Which is actually Airbus relies on sensor input over the "pilot". Boeing believes in the opposite. I'm inclined to believe Airbus in that the majority of accidents are human error over computer error.
The problem with aviation accidents is the relatively small sample size. With cars there will be much better data (i.e. more data points).
If anything computer driven cars will be better - since due to the safety "fears" like the OP, they will be programmed to be cautious. They have to be better at handling conditions than human operators, otherwise it's instant blame. They have to be better to the degree that you can blow the stats out of the water. e.g. When the first computer driven car hits a person, they need to say "well based on hours on the road, if it was human driving this it would have hit 30 kids by now".
the idea that a bunch of automatically piloted vehicles is somehow a better solution to city transport than mass-transit, it boggles my mind.
real people do not have money to maintain their cars properly. things are going to break. there are not going to be 'system administrators' to fix all the glitches that come up when cars start breaking down after a few years.
there will be problems. do i know which problems? no, but i know the main problem.
arrogance amongst revolutionaries. it is historically a pattern of the human species. declaring that nothing could go wrong is usually a precursor to a lot of things going wrong. not because the situation was unpredictable, but because human beings in an arrogant mindset tend to make a lot of mistakes, be reckless, and try to cover their asses when things go wrong.
but successful engineering is the anti-thesis of arrogance. nobody worth his salt is going to say 'what could go wrong'? they are going to have a list of 500 things that could go wrong, and all the ways they have tried to counter-act those wrong things happening.
Which is actually Airbus relies on sensor input over the "pilot". Boeing believes in the opposite. I'm inclined to believe Airbus in that the majority of accidents are human error over computer error.
Sometime in a flight like AF447 the computer doesn't know jack either and gives up the ghost. In the AF477 flight(equipment airbus A330), apparently, the pitot sensors gave inconsistent readings and the autopilot disengaged. What insued was apparently what can happen when you have pilots that are error prone and a computer that doesn't know what the hell to do to help them. In these situations, I think it's prudent to still have a system that defaults to the pilot as if they knew what to do when they know the sensors have crapped out and apparently even Airbus agrees with this. Unfortunatly, it appears that the AF447 pilots were not up to the challenge in this circumstance.
A good driver, by definition, mitigates the bad driver by taking appropriate actions to reduce the risk. It is not how you drive, its how you manager the drivers around you that makes you a good driver.
And that would make it different than today when i nearly got ran over by a moron playing with his cell....how exactly? when I was a kid we were taught "This is a 2000 pound weapon, you treat it like a weapon and respect it or someone could die, maybe you, maybe someone else" and even then we still liked to drive fast but today? Jesus tap dancing christ I've not seen a bigger bunch of dipshits in my entire life than what I see on the road every damned day! Dipshit men playing with their phones, dipshit women putting on makeup AND playing with their phones, its like moron bumper cars out there pal!
That is why the other day when I saw my oldest a couple of car lengths ahead of me (and I knew he couldn't see me from where i was at) and saw him pull over into a lot and get out i just had to pull in behind him. I just knew why he had pulled in but when I asked him and he said "Somebody called me so i was pulling over so I could return the call" i immediately pulled out a twenty and handed it to him, saying "Having a brain is a damned rare thing in this world, smarts should be rewarded".
Frankly i'm all for Google car because at its worst it can't be as dangerous as the braintrusts on our roads. With my oldest taking 18 hours next semester its not HIS driving I worry about every day, its the dipshits with too many toys and not enough functional brain cells. If the Google car takes the keys away from even 20% of these numbnuts frankly the accidents will plummet, and that can only be of the good.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Yep, my wife got hit by a semi while sitting stopped at a red light.
Okay, a few facts, the A330 is fly by wire, this means between pilot and control surfaces everything must go through the avionics, if the avionics totally fails then that plane is by definition little more than a glorified missile.
That said, it seems the backups and pilot responded exactly as they should have in this case. The plane pitched, enough to throw the passengers around and cause injuries, pilot disengaged autopilot and corrected, declared an emergency and safely landed at the nearest big enough airport.
Please tell me how he did anything wrong? Please tell me how the rest of the computer systems failed to cause and actual crash Nope neither, the plane was left in one piece on the ground.
The only thing I say is, why did it take Airbus 2 years to find and fix that major bug?
So how will you reduce the risk of someone next to you suddenly deciding to switch the lanes without checking that you're there? How do you reduce the risk of someone deciding he just has to pass the car in front of him even when there's incoming traffick? How do reduce the risk of someone deciding to test his engine and losing control?
It doesn't matter how good a driver you are; if someone else screws up bad enough, you're dead.
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
So how will you reduce the risk of someone next to you suddenly deciding to switch the lanes without checking that you're there? ...
You reduce that risk by not staying next to another driver any longer than you have to.
You watch the drivers around you and anticipate what stupid things they might do that would endanger you. Then you decide what actions you need to take to minimize that risk. Then you take those actions. That's what defensive driving is all about.
It's not easy and can't really be done while jabbering on the phone. And it's not very satisfying to the ego to drop behind another driver who is a little more aggressive than you, but it can pay out in reduction of accidents caused bu others.
Yes, I'm sure one can point out situations where there is little to no opportunity to avoid the actions of others, but in far more situations there is plenty of opportunity to minimize the risks due to other driver's stupidity.