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Will Toys-R-Us Carry Spy Drones?

First time accepted submitter TomOfAmalfi writes "People are concerned about government use of domestic surveillance drones, but how is that different than what happens when people make their own drones, or buy them at a toy store? These units don't have the endurance or performance of the 'professional' models, but they can be useful and will get better. I can hear the police now when they realize the protesters are tracking them with toys."

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  1. Barney Spy Drones by Nyder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yep, Barney, or Barbie Spy Drones. Can't wait.

    But seriously, tech can be used for good and bad, and while it can be used by the police, it's apparent that the same tech can be used by people also. I'm sure they will scream and bitch, but will the make it illegal for civilians to use?

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    1. Re:Barney Spy Drones by i.r.id10t · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, you can make a rifle, pistol, shotgun, doesn't matter. As long as you don't violate teh NFA (no full auto, gotta get the tax stamp for SBR/SBS/AOW) you are good. And since the receiver (serial numbered part) is the "gun" by fed definition, that is all you need to make - slap a parts kit on it and you are done. Just can't make 'em for resale... Do a google for "80% receiver"

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    2. Re:Barney Spy Drones by Zcar · · Score: 4, Informative

      So shotguns aren't guns? BS.

      The only guns (common English) that aren't legally guns in the US are:
      * antiques from 1898 and prior or some replicas thereof
      * muzzle loaders designed for black power and cannot use fixed ammunition

      "Firearm" is defined in 18 USC 921(a)(3):
      The term “firearm” means
      (A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive;
      (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon;
      (C) any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; or
      (D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm.

      "Antique firearm" is defined in 18 USC 921(a)(16):
      The term “antique firearm” means—
      (A) any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; or
      (B) any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica—
      (i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or
      (ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade; or
      (C) any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition. For purposes of this subparagraph, the term “antique firearm” shall not include any weapon which incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof.

      So, yes, smoothbore firearms are legally firearms.

  2. In Maryland you will be arrested by Perl-Pusher · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you filmed a policeman raping a women with your cellphone, they would arrest you.
    http://www.pixiq.com/article/maryland-police-once-again-use-wiretapping-laws-to-crack-down-on-videographers

    1. Re:In Maryland you will be arrested by batquux · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well if he was using your cellphone to rape her, I can see why they might want to question you.

  3. You know a technology has matured... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...when they start using it in toys.

    Night vision goggles, wireless surveillance cameras, and now spy drones, all available at your local toy store.

  4. Not to worry. by melikamp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Only a terrorist would spy on police with a toy UAV. And thanks to the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012, any such terrorist can be detained by the military indefinitely and without trial, even if a US citizen arrested on US soil. That should teach them, right?

  5. Re:dEer Snata.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you read his post above, he's also trying to film his family members in the shower. It's possible he has some mental issues...

  6. Re:Already started... sort of by Speare · · Score: 4, Informative

    Don't fly in parks.

    There are "park flier" models that would be suitable for flying in a large and empty double soccer field sized space. However, adding cameras and other equipment can easily double the weight, which affects the flying safety.

    Responsible helicopter and airplane modelers go to reserved land areas to do their flying. There are serious injuries due to blunt force and propeller slicing every year. Deaths and permanent disfigurements are not unheard of. When these injuries happen to non-participants, it just invites tougher laws against unlicensed hobby flying.

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  7. Toys for the big boys by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Informative

    DIY drones I have seen video from there of sub $1000 UAVs that will follow a GPS controlled flight path, stop at waypoints and take video towards the desired direction. What else do you want?

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  8. Re:Already started... sort of by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Let's hope Visual Kitty works better than Acoustic Kitty did in the 60's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_Kitty

  9. Custodiret Eos by FellowConspirator · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have always mused about how a grass-roots citizen intelligence agency that monitors the government and it's agents might be realized. It's not a matter of turn-about being fair play, but one of the notion of checks and balances. The US system of government only functions properly to the degree that it's transparent and accountable. There's lots of practical issues, not the least of which is that closely monitoring the government or blowing the whistle can often be illegal under current law. Nonetheless, Anonymous already exists as a Citizen's Intelligence Agency of sorts, and I think that's a trend that will continue.

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Custodiret eos,

  10. Rhetorical or Not? by Bob9113 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People are concerned about government use of domestic surveillance drones, but how is that different than what happens when people make their own drones, or buy them at a toy store?

    I can't tell if your question is rhetorical or not, because it doesn't work as a rhetorical (the simple, obvious answer is false). So here goes the straight-man answer:

    1. Private citizens are not (generally) using taxpayer money to do so.

    2. Private citizens do not (generally) have the authority to incarcerate other people.

    3. Private citizens are supposed to monitor civil servants even when there is no reasonable suspicion or probable cause.

    4. Private citizens are not (generally) supposed to engage in surveillance of other private citizens under any conditions.

    5. Civil servants are not supposed to engage in surveillance of private citizens without reasonable suspicion or probable cause.

    6. Civil servants are not supposed to buy or build things unless it is the public will that they do so (this can be an implicit will interpreted by civil leaders such as chiefs of police).

    7. Private citizens are not supposed to be inhibited in buying or building things unless the thing in question has been specifically regulated through the legislative process or other due deliberative process authorized by the people.

    Hope that helps.

  11. Re:Already done by TheLink · · Score: 4, Funny

    In Soviet Russia, citizens spy on police!

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  12. Already happened in Russia by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This happened in Russia already. There was something of a flap over a small UAV observing pro-democracy protests in Moscow. But it wasn't the Government doing it. It was a group of bloggers with a model helicopter, and here are the pictures it took.

  13. Re:Already started... sort of by element-o.p. · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've got a Hawkeye Heli, which is probably similar to the one you saw (if it's not the same thing). It's fine indoors, but not so great outside. First, the RC controls operate via infrared LEDs. In the sunlight, the transmitter is swamped by the sun, making the heli uncontrollable (basically, it will climb to about 20-30 feet, spinning at ~60rpm the whole time, then cut the engine and plummet to the ground). Second, it's so light -- and only marginally stable -- that if there is even the slightest breeze, it's again uncontrollable. Third, the range is extremely limited, like 50 feet or less. Finally, the camera is rather poor. The frame rate is so low that the video blurs every time you yaw the heli, and in a year of playing with the heli, I can count on one hand the number of still photos that weren't blurred beyond recognition. It's a fun toy, but not something that is actually useful for anything. If you want a real covert surveillance platform, you'll need to spend at least an order of magnitude more.

    If I get a chance, I'll post some video from the heli on youtube and link to it here.

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