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SOPA Makes Strange Bedfellows

davide marney writes "What do 1-800-Contacts, Adidas, Americans for Tax Reform, Comcast, the Country Music Association, Estee Lauder, Ford, Nike and Xerox all have in common? According to OpenCongress.org, they all have specifically endorsed H.R. 3261, the Stop Online Piracy Act. A total of 158 corporations have signed up in favor of the bill, and only 87 against. $21 Million has been donated to Congressmen who favor the bill, but only $5 Million to those against. Thanks to OpenCongress for these insights. This goes a long way towards explaining why this bill has so much traction, despite all its negative publicity."

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  1. Money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And nothing more.

    1. Re:Money. by Cow+Jones · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Lobbying pays:

      In a recent study, researchers Raquel Alexander and Susan Scholz calculated the total amount the corporations saved from the lower tax rate. They compared the taxes saved to the amount the firms spent lobbying for the law. Their research showed the return on lobbying for those multinational corporations was 22,000 percent. That means for every dollar spent on lobbying, the companies got $220 in tax benefits.

      You know what's funny? In Germany, the president is currently under a lot of pressure, and may have to resign, because he got a private credit for his house at too favorable a rate of interest. In the US (the home of democracy, defender of the free world, etc), corporations can openly bribe their senators to get the laws they want.

      Something's rotten in the state of Merica...

      CJ

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  2. Stand up, people! by intellitech · · Score: 5, Informative

    Write to your senators, your representatives! Tell them you oppose this bill!

    http://www.opencongress.org/contact_congress_letters/new?bill=112-h3261&position=oppose

    Tell your family, friends, even the guy at the gas station to do the same!

    This bill WILL get passed if we don't make our position clear to elected officials!

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    1. Re:Stand up, people! by ae1294 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Write to your senators, your representatives! Tell them you oppose this bill!

      http://www.opencongress.org/contact_congress_letters/new?bill=112-h3261&position=oppose

      Tell your family, friends, even the guy at the gas station to do the same!

      This bill WILL get passed if we don't make our position clear to elected officials!

      Be sure to include a check for at least $10,000.

    2. Re:Stand up, people! by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You are being hopelessly optimistic. Not only do most people not care at all about SOPA, even if they did care they would forget about it by the time election season rolled around. Politicians know this, and that is why the DMCA was passed, the Mickey Mouse bill was passed, the PATRIOT act, etc. That is why I have little hope for SOPA or PIPA being defeated; I wrote to my representatives in the House and the Senate, and I have told everyone I know that these bills are bad and why they are bad, but I doubt there will be much of an effect.

      Ten years from now, when the Internet has been conquered by old media interests and there are toll booths and walls everywhere, people will start to get annoyed -- and by then, it will be too late. People are annoyed by the DMCA now, but there is little hope of getting it overturned. SOPA will be no different.

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    3. Re:Stand up, people! by bzipitidoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      PBS might also support it. Last month, the News Hour ran a story on piracy. They interviewed two "opposing" parties, the Open Internet Coalition and the MPAA, whose only difference was how much copying should be regulated: a lot, or a lot more. That was the most biased, unbalanced, and stupidly wrong coverage I'd ever seen from PBS. I thought they were a cut above the rest of the mainstream media. They weren't, not that time.

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    4. Re:Stand up, people! by todrules · · Score: 5, Informative
      I already did. Here's the response I got back. Looks like Senator Isakson is already bought and paid for. I'll definitely vote for whoever runs against him in the next election, though.

      Thank you for contacting me regarding intellectual property theft. I appreciate hearing from you and I appreciate the opportunity to respond.

      S.968, the Preventing Real Online Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property (PROTECT IP) Act of 2011, was introduced by Senator Leahy (D-VT) on May 12, 2011, and was referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee. On May 26, 2011, it was reported out of Committee and is currently pending in the Senate. The bill targets websites, particularly those registered outside of the United States, which are "dedicated to infringing activities." These rogue websites typically offer unauthorized downloading or streaming of copyrighted content or the sale of counterfeit goods including music, movies, and pharmaceutical drugs.

      Websites targeted by this bill are foreign owned and outside the reach of U.S. laws despite the fact U.S. intellectual property is being infringed upon and U.S. consumers are the targets. Rogue websites cost American workers jobs and cost businesses millions of dollars in lost revenue. As online technology and commerce advances, we must see to it that injured parties have the ability to stop infringers from profiting from counterfeit products. For example, a victim of infringement will have the authority to file a civil action against the owner or registrant of a rogue site. If an order is granted by the court, third parties will be required to stop processing payments from the infringing sites, therefore, preventing infringers from collecting payments. I will work to ensure that our laws our modernized to protect intellectual property, and will keep your thoughts on this bill in mind should it come before the Senate for a vote.

    5. Re:Stand up, people! by Nemyst · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The one thing I hate most about these, though, is that the Americans basically think themselves as above everybody else. What can I do, as a Canadian citizen, to stop this bill? Nothing. But if it passes, I will have to live with the consequences.

      If it were just the Americans that would be affected, I'd just let them hang themselves. They seem very capable in doing so. However, when their laws start trespassing borders to affect the entire PLANET, I think something is clearly wrong.

    6. Re:Stand up, people! by Slashdot+Assistant · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The DMCA doesn't necessarily need to be overturned, but certainly it needs to be revisited. The DMCA provides a standardized method for handling alleged copyright infringement, allowing the host to avoid being caught in the cross-fire. This has been abused by infringers, and certainly by people wishing to censor. I've had both types of complaints, albeit not under circumstances covered by the DMCA. In the case of some guy trying to remove an embarrassing critique of some private messages in which he libeled me, I was fortunate to have had a hosting company who didn't just buckle for their own safety, and had the DMCA applied, the complainant could have sent a take-down, which I could have countered - leaving the host off the hook. I think it helped that the guy sending the complaint was clearly a whining bitch, demonstrating his fundamental lack of legal knowledge through his references to "Internet laws". The DMCA also poses problems for content owners who find themselves playing whack-a-mole with sites that repeatedly allow copyright infringement. I see that as a legitimate concern. I'm very much in favor of equitable copyright protection, the cornerstone of which should be severally shortened copyright terms. Things have clearly swung too far in favor of rights owners, with the bulk of the money appearing to miss the pockets of the producers themselves.

      My main issues with the DMCA lie in how it interferes with the bypassing of DRM, and reverse engineering. Another problem though is that the DMCA introduced pretty stiff penalties for infringement, yet what happens when a media company, with the presumption that they have legal people who should know better, send pretty obviously frivolous take-down notices. In theory this is perjury, yet how many prosecutions do we see? Out of curiosity, should I receive a malicious take-down notice from an American entity, how would I get a prosecution rolling? Send a letter to the FBI, or would I instead need to engage a solicitor to begin civil proceedings?

  3. Go after the companies by krelvin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Go after the companies that are supporting the bill as well. Look what happened to GoDaddy when it was found out they were supporting it. Imagine what happens when companies like 1800contacts, Ford, Adidas and others start getting consumers telling them to drop support as well or lose business.

    Business funds Congress... if they start saying no, Congress will say no too.

  4. Sample letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You need to put it into terms they'll understand:

    The Honorable [congresscritter]:

    I see you are supporting SOPA. If I may, let me clarify some issues that will change your mind about your support.

    For one, online piracy is all done by the Somalis. They have not gone online and don't plan to: there are no ships online and they can't put them online. There hasn't been any ship hijackings online and as you know, pirating a ship with ones computer is ludicrous.Ships don't travel on the internet! They can't get into the tubes!

    Secondly, I really don't like making accusations, but the folks who are behind this bill have been lying to you. They have ulterior motives and will make a fool of you.

    Yours,

    A tech savvy constituent.

  5. Weird money by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just look at these amounts :

    Sen. Harry Reid [D, NV] $3,502,624
    Sen. Charles Schumer [D, NY] $2,648,770
    Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand [D, NY] $2,080,651

    I wonder how much Obama got ... in the beginning of an election year no less. What do you think Obama > Harry Reid or the reverse ?

    Weird, weird names on the list though :

    * United States Tennis Association
    * Council of state governments
    * National Confectioners Association
    * Major City Chiefs
    * Let Freedom Ring
    * Outdoor Industry Association
    * Small Business and Entrepreneurship Council
    * Eli Lilly and Company
    * Center for Individual Freedom
    * Concerned Women for America
    * Americans for Tax Reform
    * Society of Plastics Industry
    * Beam Global Spirits &Wine

    Half of these sound extremely fake. Most of these look like it's VERY unlikely they would get themselves on this list if it didn't gain them money ...

    Not that I tell myself these guys collectively contributed even 1% of those amounts ... very strange names here. Were the pressured into signing this ? There's another collection of names that clearly were pressured to get in there (National Electrical Manufacturers Association
    , Electronic Components Industry Association) ... are these names just an attempt to point "broad support" or ? Weird weird weird.

    Interesting though : all but one electronics manufacturers are in the opposing category ... /me suspects threats from customers. All think tanks, democrat or republican, are on the opposing side. So clearly both parties are aware of the publicity loss. Lots of the organisations supporting this bill are subsidiaries of other supporters (so the supporter list shoulds be a LOT shorter). WTF is visa doing supporting these guys ?

    Some organisations could have contributed more by staying out of it, me thinks :
    * 4chan
    * Torrentfreak
    * Tumblr
    (let's just say people might think they know why these guys are opposed, and it's not for the right reasons)

    And, surprisingly in the "opposing" category (although I must admit this legislation doesn't strike me as conservative, and it doesn't seem like it's supported by the software industry either, it's almost purely privilege grab by the entertainment industry) :
    * Business Software Alliance (also known as Microsoft)
    * Brookings Institute
    * Competitive Enterprise Institute

    1. Re:Weird money by JWW · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Obama is a singular individual who can kill this bill directly. He has more power over it becoming law than anyone else.

      Damn right we need to know what his position on this bill is and why.

      The next most important influences on this bill becoming law are Reid (already betrayed us by bringing it up for a vote) and Boehner (very likely to betray us by bringing SOPA to a vote in the house).

      I just can't shake the feeling that when SOPA/PIPA passes, that the Internet will catch fire and rain down torment on 'our' elected officials and the content industry.

      Perhaps all the shooting in the next revolution will happen online.

    2. Re:Weird money by dokc · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The Greeks also considered "demokratos" to be equivalent to anarchy.

      The meaning of anarchy is different, as Kant explains:
      Immanuel Kant's societal categories

      The German philosopher Immanuel Kant defined "Anarchy" in his article about anthropology in the chapter "Freiheit und Gesetz" (http://korpora.zim.uni-duisburg-essen.de/kant/aa07/330.html) as follows:

      A Law And Freedom without Violence (Anarchy)
      B Law And Violence without Freedom (Despotism)
      C Violence without Freedom And Law (Barbarism)
      D Violence with Freedom And Law (Republic)

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    3. Re:Weird money by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If Obama were to oppose SOPA, expect to see a huge amount of negative news coverage of him come the election, and plenty of glowing stories about his opponent. The electorate may choose the president, but it is the media that really tells them who to vote for, and the media wants SOPA badly.

  6. Re:I guess I don't understand... by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    On the one hand, I can see the point of view of the designers who are annoyed about the counterfeiting of their product.

    On the other hand, what does it say about the actual value of their designs? It says that people are not willing to pay the prices they demand for the somewhat ephemeral value that their design commands.

    It used to be that artisans had makers marks because their product was of superior quality and they wished to differentiate it. People seeing the superior quality of the product and desiring that quality for themselves would see the makers mark and know where they could get an item of similar quality.

    Quality is no longer the differentiation though - price is. The relationship has inverted ; a maker no longer puts their mark on something to identify the maker of the product and generate sales, he puts the mark on to increase the perceived value of the product. As some people are no doubt pointing out - a lot of the so-called "counterfeit" product is made on the same production line, from the same materials, by the same workers using the same amount of labour.

    There is no difference in the intrinsic value of the product - it's the same material object with the same properties - so why can Loius Vuitton sell it for more than Mr Chang? Because Loius Vuitton inflates the perception of value of their products in ways that have nothing to do with their actual utility - they put them in a swanky shop with a flunky on the door, they don't pile them high, and they don't sell them cheap.

    The real counterfeit is therefore the perceived value of the "genuine" product - people are buying fake value. This is not an artisan product made by a skilled craftsman. This is a product designed to be made as piecework in a third world sweatshop - a product that by definition, has to be makable by the lowest common denominator of skill.

  7. No Corporations by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a goddamn crime that the list of those supporting this heinous, un-American tyranny is topped with giant corporations. Multinational corporations. Foreign corporations.

    These foreign non-people should have absolutely no influence over the laws set by the government of the United States. The legitimate government is by, of and for the people, not the people's property like corporations.

    The Constitution does not give the government any power to represent corporations. But even from the beginning the Constitution has needed amendments that spelled out for corrupt government officials the limits to its power that were not already spelled out: the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights shouldn't have been necessary, because the powers it prohibits aren't granted in the original document. But obviously it was necessary; obvious when it was written and passed, and obvious ever since as it must be constantly invoked when government reaches across its bounds. It's clear by now that we need to amend the Constitution to spell out that corporations aren't people. That they don't have rights, that the government can restrict their actions with the existing powers government has.

    There is already such an amendment in the works. Closing in on 200,000 people have already signed on supporting it. You should too. If you're a person, anyway. Why suffer being a second class citizen behind corporations that aren't even people?

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