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Oracle, Cloudera Team Up On Hadoop Appliance

Posted by samzenpus on from the check-it-out dept.

LinuxScribe writes "Oracle has announced a new Big Data Appliance, which will feature Cloudera's Hadoop, shiny hardware, and a price tag that could be more affordable than commodity servers. But Oracle's new Cloudera partner should heed the lessons of Red Hat and what it means to partner with Oracle."

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  1. Oracle by masternerdguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Once you start along the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.

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  2. Re:Starting at $500K for the hardware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Silly, all oracle support prices can be found by integrating the price of the hardware between 0 and the current year.

  3. Death & doom.... by vikingpower · · Score: 1

    ...I forecast for the magnificent Hadoop project, if and when they "partner" with Oracle. Nothing will come of it but bigger yachts for Larry E., mark my sad words.

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  4. Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? by nomad63 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ellison's strategy sounds too much like, that of Redmond's finest. Problem is, Oracle is getting too big in the datacenter landscape. He has oracle, which is the de-facto database for most any organization who wants accountability and have money to spend. He has hardware (SUN) which still has the biggest footprint in data centers after X86. He has Oracle Linux which is, for all intents and purposes, Red-Hat EL. The only thing he did not have was something to handle large, unstructured data, likes of TereData and Cloudera/Hadoop is serving it on a silver platter. Who is going to stop the Oracle wave, I don't know. Oracle is becoming a monopoly, much worse than Google or Microsoft in my opinion. Where are the regulators who blocked the AT&T and T-Mobile merger (Kudos to them by the way). We need them right here, right now.

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    1. Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 2

      He has oracle, which is the de-facto database for most any organization who wants accountability and have money to spend

      I don't know what universe you live in, buddy, but a few big companies running a single oracle database does NOT make it "de-facto". Of all of my professional experience, along with all of the colleagues I've had, EVERYONE steers clear of Oracle. I've seen a single Oracle database in production at Heinz/Del Monte, and there was a "shadow" database in MS SQL Server, synched daily, because no one wanted to deal with the Oracle database server (It's old... NULL and '' are equal?!?!).

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    2. Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? by Amouth · · Score: 2

      ERP's are more and more relying on Oracle - i know SAP uses it almost exclusively.. sure they say they support others but in reality it is far harder to get it running well on anything but Oracle that it should just be considered what is supported.

      As markets grow and products get refined - the company that is most efficient survives (ignore government driven ones on that). And ERP's are what will allow them do to it. as more ERP's move to Oracle - more companies will be moved into Oracle..

      While you may say a single Oracle DB in production doesn't mean much.. it isn't about the number of instances or even the size - but the value to the company of the information it stores in that DB. In your case i'd have to ask.. what information was so valuable that it was worth setting up and MSSQL instance JUST to shadow it to make available? Oracle is working to get the FI and CO data locked up - after that other things will have to attach to it and eventually will live inside it..

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    3. Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      he lives in this universe. but he should have noted "who wants accountability but doesn't actually GET any accountability". choosing oracle is supposed to be a safe bet, like "nobody ever got fired for choosing ibm". of course it's pretty much bullshit, just going with oracle doesn't guarantee anything about how the applications are going to hammer it nor if it's going to be configured right.

      governmental budgets are quite often spent on oracles, instead of hiring a guy to configure whatever other db to actually work.

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    4. Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      How is this is a monopoly? I think you mean conglomerate.

    5. Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

      Not only is your wold view obviously skewed, but I have to agree with the Anon poster that you are a liar. InfoSys, Unilever, Microsoft, Del Monte, Pepsi, P&G, Mars, GE, Sharp, only to name a very few have nothing to do with Oracle (run away!) and exclusively use MS SQL server. You stink of troll.

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    6. Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? by nomad63 · · Score: 1

      If anybody is telling you, an enterprise can be run on MS-SQL server, other than being a back-end to the MS-Exchange server, I'd suspect the decision making authority of the IT department. Like most anyone else but you and your anonymous cohort are purporting, it is not the number of databases a company runs, it is the value of the data that DB holds is what makes the difference. Don't tell me that an MS Exchange back end database(s) (in most cases it is plural because it can not scale well), is equal in value with respect to the oracle db holding the company financial information or the ERP system. Even you can not be this ignorant.

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    7. Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? by nomad63 · · Score: 1

      to-may-toh , to-mah-to....
      need I say more ??

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    8. Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? by nomad63 · · Score: 1

      After Oracle went after SAP consulting and sue them for any kaka-meme reason, there obviously is a bad blood between them and SAP is trying to be not so dependent on oracle. But it is very hard if not totally impossible to convince all their customers to switch the underlying db. Same thing with HP, after announcing last year that oracle will no longer be developed for itanium h/w.

      Too ad, so sad, but both companies sold themselves to oracle in its day. Now is the time to pay the piper. Now, hadoop is getting into the same situation. Good luck to them.

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    9. Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? by Ramin_HAL9001 · · Score: 1

      Could be worse, could be Apple.

      I hope more than anything that Apple doesn't take over the way Microsoft did. That's probably the best reason to use Android.

    10. Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      No you don't. If you don't think the distinctions between types of businesses are important, and still want to comment on business...

    11. Re:Embrace and suffocate ?? Anyone ? by Amouth · · Score: 1

      i did miss that - although i still think it will take some doing for SAP to coerce existing installs to move.. maybe if they do ECC7 in the next 10 years they can push their own DB with it.

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  5. Nonsense, no such "Red Hat Lesson" by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Oracle's Linux is Red Hat Linux, they add some GPL licensed improvements. Anyone is free to use those, that includes Red Hat. I work as migrator/integrator/architect for a VAR with clients some of whom have IT budgets over $1 billion, I've not yet seen anyone use Oracle's Linux to run Oracle's wares (or anything else, for that matter), all choose Red Hat (some Centos too)

    1. Re:Nonsense, no such "Red Hat Lesson" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      (caveat - I work for Oracle)

      The reason to use Oracle EL instead of RH is that RH refuses to put a number of bug fixes into place for Oracle products. Oracle submitted thousands (yes, thousands) of bug fixes and were ignored by RH. If you want to run Oracle on RH, run OEL. I've seen many customers who get really mad at Oracle because something doesn't work correctly on RH. There is nothing Oracle can do except recommend a different OS vendor

    2. Re:Nonsense, no such "Red Hat Lesson" by C3ntaur · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Examples, please. Can you give us at least a few links to these in Red Hat's Bugzilla?

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    3. Re:Nonsense, no such "Red Hat Lesson" by jdbuz · · Score: 1

      (Caveat - I work for Oracle too) Anytime you hear that someone is using one of these big Exadata machines, they are using Oracle Linux. See: http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/features/exadata-196883.html

    4. Re:Nonsense, no such "Red Hat Lesson" by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      Hi Oracle boy. Funny, none of my clients wants to run one of those either.......

    5. Re:Nonsense, no such "Red Hat Lesson" by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      no one I know has that problem, and we're talking data centers of one of the U.S. largest cities plus some state government departments

  6. Re:Oracle 11g certified on RHEL 6 yet? by BigZee · · Score: 1

    Probably not. Certainly ASMLIB isn't going to be certified for RHEL 6 yet and isn't likely to be. As the posted article seems to imply, Oracle would rather you use their product and in this case they would rather you licensed Oracle Linux and not RHEL.

  7. Re:Starting at $500K for the hardware by elrusoloco · · Score: 1

    22% of what you pay initially, annually. Just like everything else Oracle sells. Quit being a dick.

  8. Google's MapReduce patent by Raenex · · Score: 1

    Too bad Google licensed their MapReduce patent to Apache Hadoop. It would have been a nice stick to beat up Oracle with.

  9. Re:Oracle 11g certified on RHEL 6 yet? by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    IBM DB2 is a far superior product to Oracle's DBMS, faster and much less money