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Programming Prodigy Arfa Karim Passes Away At 16

quantr writes "Arfa Karim, child prodigy, youngest certified Microsoft Professional in the world and winner of the president’s Pride of Performance, breathed her last breath on Saturday night at the Combined Military Hospital in Lahore. Arfa had an epileptic attack on December 22 and had been in a coma since."

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  1. Reading the early comments... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...it must be asshole day at /.

    1. Re:Reading the early comments... by spyder-implee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I thought so too at first, but most of the tasteless comments have been modded down pretty quickly by the rest of the community. The asshole group isn't representative of the rest of us, they just post quick.

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    2. Re:Reading the early comments... by Patchw0rk+F0g · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was going to mod this thread, but I can't. I've gotta comment.

      Truth may be truth, even if it hurts someone's feelings; being an flaming, chasm-wide asshole is just that: being a flaming, chasm-wide asshole. Even if it hurts someone's feelings.

      Those top-side comments weren't intended to point out any "truths"; they were written to reflect the idiot(s)' world-view, not titillate, not provoke, not query nor question.

      Shit like that doesn't reflect on /. ... you see it everywhere. What it reflects is that there are always going to be bitter, uninformed, closed-minded tiny people in this world. I choose not to be one of them.

      Now. off to the next thread to moderate. Hopefully, all the bile and spite was delivered here, where it can collect and stew in silence.

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  2. The first four comments are disgusting. by forkfail · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, folks - what the hell is wrong with you?

    A young woman of tremendous promise and an incredibly positive outlook on life dies far before her time, and this is what you have to say?

    Some really sick folks. First time in a long time that I've actually been embarrassed of the folks here at /., despite some seriously differing opinions.

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    1. Re:The first four comments are disgusting. by Canazza · · Score: 5, Informative

      I concur. While many of us may not consider being an MCP 'worth' of anything, it's still something above and beyond what those arseholes who posted above could ever achieve, even at 39 rather than 9 (yes, thats how old she was when she got MCP), she even got certified to FLY at age 10.
      This is someone who was gifted at something. Yes, I'd call myself jealous of her talent, but that's no excuse to bad mouth anyone. Dead or not.

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    2. Re:The first four comments are disgusting. by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Dark humor is a coping mechanism for dealing with the nasty, brutish, and short nature of life. I understand this because I've lost somebody close to me.

      Dostoevsky understands this too, because he lost his beloved youngest son to epilepsy, and if you've read his work it's not about unicorns shitting rainbows and roses.

      Finally, a joke - what do you do when an epileptic falls into your swimming pool? Throw in some detergent and your dirty laundry.

    3. Re:The first four comments are disgusting. by Beelzebud · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Those posts up there do not strike me as "dark humor used as a coping mechanism", from grieving people. It seems more like the work of a bunch of asshole trolls who hide behind the AC label.

    4. Re:The first four comments are disgusting. by beadfulthings · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thank you. It took amazing intelligence and self-discipline for her to achieve the certification at so young an age. She was apparently also a promising programmer. That's especially true if you consider where she lived--surrounded by a culture where young girls are not normally valued for their intellectual gifts. Her death is doubly tragic--not only has a promising young life been extinguished, but a pattern and role model for other struggling girls has been lost. Her family deserves a lot of credit for encouraging her gifts and talents, and they also deserve our profound and deepest sympathy for their loss.

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    5. Re:The first four comments are disgusting. by klui · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or driven by jealousy/sour grapes. I sure didn't have the discipline to do what she did when I was her age.

    6. Re:The first four comments are disgusting. by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is someone who was gifted at something.

      If she learned to fly at 10, she was presumably gifted a sizeable chunk of money.

      Admiral Farragut joined the Navy at nine and was given command of a prize ship at twelve. The idea that anyone under twenty can't actually do much other than play with dolls and watch cartoons is a recent invention.

    7. Re:The first four comments are disgusting. by buddyglass · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dark humor is a coping mechanism for dealing with the nasty, brutish, and short nature of life.

      There's dark humor and there's intentionally tasteless trolling. Let's not confuse the two.

  3. Re:Why... by gordo3000 · · Score: 5, Informative

    she was featured on slashdot years ago when she got the certification:

    http://slashdot.org/story/05/07/15/0651245/microsofts-10-year-old-certified-professional

    it's a sad fact so many assholes have basically the same comments that were said back then... I wonder if they just copy and paste?

  4. Re:Certified Microsoft Professional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Seriously? Getting certified at age 9 does not qualify enough to be appreciated? You cannot even spell "were" and "a lot" at this age and you're pointing fingers at a dead legend?

  5. Re:Certified Microsoft Professional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft certification: even a 9 year old can do it.

  6. I never heard of her before by erroneus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To think that a [presumed] Muslim female, a child at that, could accomplish what she did is amazing on so many levels. I am with others on the presumption that her ability was possibly also part of her undoing. The brain is a tricky thing. Hers was likely wired in such a way that it contributed to its burning itself out.

    That said, those woman-oppressing Islamic fundamentalists out there can look upon her with all the anger they like. They can't deny what she was. She was female. She was extremely young. She was extremely accomplished and had extremely high potential. I doubt this is the type of symbol she would have wanted to be, but she is definitely a symbol of defiance against ridiculous religious ideals which seek to limit and oppress women into specific roles in life.

  7. Epilepsy can be fatal by ncmathsadist · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, epilepsy can be fatal. It can shut down the central nervous system, starve the brain and other vital organs of oxygen, causing death. That just happened here to a very promising young student here in North Carolina. I convey my condolences to the family. There is no crueler cut of life than having to bury a child.

  8. Re:What a tragic loss by pehrs · · Score: 5, Informative

    Epilepsy in it self is non-fatal. There are acute secondary dangers from epileptic seizures (falls, traffic accidents) and also some medical dangers (hypoxia from suspended breathing, heart problems).

    But primarily, epileptic seizures is a hint that something is _very_ wrong in the central nervous systems on a low level. There exists a large number of things known to trigger attacks, such as infections, brain injury, drugs, withdrawal from drugs and so on. What you want to do is typically to treat the underlying problem. People don't die of the epileptic attack, it's the underlying problem that kills them (or the secondary dangers).

    Oh, by the way, ruptured aneurysm have a surprisingly good prognosis, as long as you get to a hospital in time. If you are a risk group for ruptured aneurysm you really should learn the symptoms and inform your relatives about them as well. This is one of those cases where 2-3 hours makes the difference between "full recovery" and "vegetable".

  9. Re:Certified Microsoft Professional by tyrione · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well at the basic level Certified just means you can pass the test.

    Do you know how old she was when she passed it? She was 9.

    You may not be impressed by that fact, but I am.

    The tragedy is that she was a young girl in the prime of life and seeing her life taken too soon, not because she was labeled a Microsoft Certified recipient and thus labeled a child prodigy for doing so.

  10. Re:The candle ... NO by mythar · · Score: 5, Informative

    she didn't die because she was burning twice as bright. she died from complications after they made an incision to insert a breathing tube into her trachea. that means she didn't have to die, and it was an incredible tragedy that she did. i am both sad and angry at this terrible news.

  11. Re:Why... by spintriae · · Score: 5, Funny

    She was waiting for Gentoo to finish compiling.

  12. Re:Certified Microsoft Professional by artor3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's pretty special that you consider the phrase "not as gifted as Mozart" to be synonymous with "not impressive". I hope your kids grow up to be Oscar-winning astronaut quarterbacks, or else you're in for quite a disappointment.

  13. Lack of empathy by formfeed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lack of empathy is a clear social dysfunction and the only excuse is adolescence.

    I would not ridicule a 16yo for not understanding how others might feel or how things are for someone else. If you are still busy finding your own identity it is difficult to feel for others. But if you're 20+ and still posting things like the above comments, you are on the way of becoming a pathetic loser.

  14. Re:Certified Microsoft Professional by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 5, Informative

    It also depends on the test. MCP by itself is kind of a meaningless certification as it simply means that you have passed one of the many tests, and not all of them even have to do with programming - e.g. there are some Office certifications that'll give you that.

    She, on the other hand, qualified by taking a C# WinForms exam. Also according to the same, she passed an exam for ASP.NET two years later - judging by this, she was on her track to become an MCAD (MS certified app developer), with only one exam remaining. I went through that myself, albeit at an older age (started in 14, got my MCAD by 16) - it's not exactly hard, but it does require that you know how to code, and know C# reasonably well. Doing it at 9 is certainly quite impressive - heck, back at tat age I was still trying to figure out how to write Tetris in Turbo BASIC, without much success at that.

    And not to forget that she was born and raised in Pakistan, which is not exactly a first world country - so it's not like she had many opportunities and lots of free time to waste.

  15. Re:Certified Crop of Assholes by JohnnyMindcrime · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A new word for your vocabulary is here.

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  16. Re:Certified Microsoft Professional by 0137 · · Score: 5, Funny

    tell me about it, i was potty trained via flashcards and now i can't write an exam without pooping EVERYWHERE.

  17. The article is a troll by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 5, Insightful

    She is called a programming prodigy but no evidence is given, the only "evidence" is a MS certification on a site where MS certification is a gigantic red flag. Certification in general tends not to be popular and the ones from MS are often considered to have less value then the paper they were written upon if the paper was made of shit.

    The article writer probably knows this and also knows that controversy sells ad impressions.

    The simple fact is that a young person died who had some minor accomplishments that most on /, simply do not value since they know adults with the same who are the waste of IT. Maybe if the article poster had given some examples of actual code she had written? Something that would actually impress other developers? But the only links I seen so far are to software that is frankly not that impressive to people from a generation that had to create their own computer from scratch. Don't forget, there are REAL rocket scientists on Slashdot. People that built their own home computer before there were home computers are supposed to be all impressed with a kid that made a calculator in a modern development environment? Not even a very good calculator.

    It might be hard for a 9 year old to do that particular exam but so what? Coders judge other coders on code, not certificates.

    All this is to me is a young person who died who seems to have gotten some minor press attention for an achievement I do not value. Show me her 3D engine, new sorting algorithm, something that makes her a true child prodigy and not just a very boring kid who read a training manual cover to cover.

    Sad she died, but millions die each day. What makes her worthy of special attention? I just don't like fake emotion from people who shed tears over this but never made a donation to stop people from dying or to cure a disease. Slashdot doesn't need human interest stories.

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