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China Internet Users Hit Half a Billion

angry tapir writes "China's Internet population passed the half billion mark at the end of 2011 after the country added 28 million new users during the second half of the year. At the end of December, the country had 513 million Internet users, according to a report issued Monday by the China Internet Network Information Center. The number of users accessing the Internet from their mobile phones has also grown, reaching 355 million — more than the entire population of the U.S."

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  1. For the last time by Moheeheeko · · Score: 4, Funny

    I dont care if there are Half a billion of you, I DONT WANT YOUR FUCKING GOLD.

    1. Re:For the last time by migla · · Score: 1

      >I dont care if there are Half a billion of you, I DONT WANT YOUR FUCKING GOLD.

      I understand your frustration, but really, don't blame the relatively poor chinese people working for some boss/owner exploiting that market opportunity.

      The fault is in the system.

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  2. Productivity takes a dive by tsotha · · Score: 1

    Well, that's the end of China's economy.

  3. All those people... by joren02 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... And they only have about 330 million IPv4 addresses. I mean, even with the abuse of large scale NAT they must be getting in serious problems.

    1. Re:All those people... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      Never mind the IP addresses, I wondered if they were running out of Chinese names, and found this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1554330/Too-many-Wangs-as-China-runs-out-of-names.html

      Is mistaken identity a problem on the Internet there . . . ?

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    2. Re:All those people... by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Assuming my calculations are correct, they can get over 2bn address just using Class A addresses. So internally they have enough to give every resident up to 2 IP addresses. Now they have a couple ISPs that operate and so they would presumably have their own pool of IPs that they'd be using on their networks so they shouldn't have any trouble doubling or more those addresses.

      When all is said and done, I don't see any particular reason why they would be any more NATed up than the rest of the world.

      What's more there's still a bunch of folks on dial up connections or without any connection at all. Of course I could be off in my figures and I could be underestimating broadband penetration in China.

    3. Re:All those people... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Is mistaken identity a problem on the Internet there . . . ?

      Is it a problem here? I'm sure there's quite a few John Smiths out there.

      Assuming you need to use your real name, you'd still have to make your own unique username afterwards for most anything. And if it were something really important, China also has a Resident ID Card where everyone has their own unique ID number similar to the US and SSNs.

    4. Re:All those people... by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      Most people in the USA have duplicate first+last name....if you live in US, put your name here: http://howmanyofme.com/ Only 3 people have my first + last name

      There are 3,100 surnames in common use in China, the traditional "100 names" do include majority of populace though

    5. Re:All those people... by NicknamesAreStupid · · Score: 1

      They have been moving to IPv6 for some time -- http://www.ipv6.org.au/09ipv6summit/talks/OrcunTezel.pdf. Since China uses the same types of routers and DNS servers as the rest of the world (many of them copied), it could not efficiently use the 4,294,967,296 address space as a huge NAT'd network. It would be far easier to use IPv6, which can identify each node by region, city, organization, domain, even by a MAC address. IPv6 is a great way to run a country-wide Internet. Once they are done, China will be the network model for every multi-national corporation and most governments.

    6. Re:All those people... by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      As of seven years ago including last year I was visiting my in-laws in Shanghai, my wife's parents were still behind a double NATed. Often Skype connections could get spontainiously dropped. Same goes for google talk and any other P2P based application. They seriously need to roll out IPv6 ASAP! They shouldn't wait for the rest of the world. Just dive right in.

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    7. Re:All those people... by bmorency · · Score: 1

      Most people in the USA have duplicate first+last name....if you live in US, put your name here: http://howmanyofme.com/ Only 3 people have my first + last name

      Does anyone know of a site like this for other countries? I live in canada and just wanted to check it out. Just for the heck of it I entered my name into the site above and it came back as 1 or fewer with my first and last name.

    8. Re:All those people... by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 1

      Well, obviously China has too many Wangs. How do you think they got to more than a billion people in the first place? By having too many storks?

    9. Re:All those people... by zidium · · Score: 1

      There are 45,240 people with my name. Many have the same middle initial.

      At a hospital in Houston, where I go, there's two of us with the exact same name, born on the same day, at the same hospital, and our social security numbers are offset by 3 numbers (just 1 digit). It's very confusing and I get a ton of bills directed for that guy.

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    10. Re:All those people... by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

      You know I'm sure some people think you could never have too many wangs. Know what I'm sayin? YeahhhhhhhhnnnnnnggggggGGGGGGGG

    11. Re:All those people... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I think the bulk of the growth in China has been in IPv6, and there are a whole bunch of Chinese sites not accessable by IPv4.

  4. Density by omganton · · Score: 3, Funny

    Half a million internet users browsing the 6 sites they're allowed to visit.

    1. Re:Density by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Posting anonymously because I already have moderations in here ...

      The Great Firewall of China isn't nearly as severe as people in the US seem to think -- I was surprised how little problem I had accessing places on the "public" Internet in China. Some staples are blocked, like Facebook, but generally I didn't have any serious issues. And most big companies and hotels have VPN access out of the country which bypasses everything. It seems everyone knows someone who has access to them.

      Is it restricted? Yes. Is it a HUGE market with a massive amount of people, spending huge amounts of money? Yup. And its a nearly ubiquitous form of communication for more people than live in the US. And, unlike the US which has pretty broad access to the Internet, in China, that demographic overlaps the 400+ million middle class people. The commercial market dwarfs anything here.

    2. Re:Density by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      6 sites?

      is that due to being restricted to 3 from column A and 3 from column B?

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  5. Fake statistics by happyhamster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Quote:
    >> according to a report issued Monday by the China Internet Network Information Center (CNNIC), a non-profit group with ties to the government.

    As the article itself notes, "Analysts, however, have said the statistics provided by the CNNIC are inflated."

    Like all statistical data from China, this info is likely inflated and cannot be trusted. Chinese culture considers cheating to be fine and a smart thing to do. Multiply that by the Chinese government's desire to improve its image at any cost, and you get useless numbers which have been wildly twisted to provide the desired result. It appears that this time they tried to reach that magical psychological barrier of "Half a Billion".

    1. Re:Fake statistics by zidium · · Score: 1

      It's not possible with modern optics to view the presumed Moon landing sites with any telescope currently in existence, for various claimed reasons.

      Otherwise, I could guaran-fucking-tee you there'd be pictures from said telescope(s) to shut up the people who have limited faith in a government prone to genocide, rigged elections, lack of due process, and epic misdirections and subterfuge used to invade helpless and innocent countries, worldwide.

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    2. Re:Fake statistics by cobbaut · · Score: 1

      Like all statistical data, this info is likely inflated and cannot be trusted.

      Fixed that for you.

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  6. Re:...and not a fuck was given in the First World. by Baloroth · · Score: 2

    Still, the potential for access and communication is there. There are always ways around the filter. More people online is almost always a better thing. Filters or not, the Internet gives people access to more information and the ability to better educate themselves. This is a good thing: not as good as it could be, but still good.

    And to make money farming WoW gold, but that is a side "benefit", I guess.

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  7. Not Internet User, Content Consumers by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

    This is nothing more than 500M people watching cable. The number of people who actually take an IP address and _produce_ anything with it is small. I'm not talking Web 2.0 lusers who use Chinified Facebook - I'm talking independent nodes on the global network.

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  8. strength in numbers by ks9208661 · · Score: 2

    Now if they would just all ping the Great Firewall of China to death at the same time, they could make history in being the first to stage, and hopefully win, an e-revolution.

  9. Re:It's not even funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you had eyelids you would be laughing too.

               WANG COMPUTERS

    is also funny.  Back tot he eyelid thing.

  10. Re:I know. My spam logs show it. by Lillebo · · Score: 2

    Parent, meet Captcha.

  11. Re:I know. My spam logs show it. by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 1

    I run www.gotonicaragua.com and about 70% of our spam comes from China; the other 30% comes from Russia.

    And on this site, the spam comes from Nicaragua.

    We've had to blacklist both those domains flat out in order to keep the site running.

    What spam ever comes from a real domain? It is always faked, so there is no point in blacklisting a domain.

  12. Re:I know. My spam logs show it. by Calos · · Score: 1

    That defeats robots, not hordes of cheap labor.

    In other words, you've missed the point.

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  13. Re:I know. My spam logs show it. by Calos · · Score: 1

    S/he didn't mean website domain, but the top-level domain. I think s/he blocked all of .cn and .ru.

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  14. Blocked by soundguy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Since 75% of the malicious attacks on my networks originate in China, that's half a billion people who will continue to be blocked from my retail networks. Years ago, before I started blocking them, Chinese addresses were involved in a substantial percentage of the chargebacks I received. It will be decades before anyone I know would even consider taking them seriously as a source of legitimate customers.

    It would help a lot if they could manage to shut down all the illegal (and unpatched) copies of Microsoft's leaky piece-of-shit operating systems that they're running (as botnet nodes, more often than not) and replace them with Linux (they have their own distro from what I understand). Right now, Chinese visitors are about as welcome to US merchants as 10 Somalis in a speedboat are to a cargo ship off the coast of Africa.

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    1. Re:Blocked by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

      The problem isn't so much the OS, but rather the source of where the OS comes from. Finding a pirated copy of Windows (rooted with malware), are a dime a dozen only a walk aware from your nearest corner rickshaw. It's in the section right next to the pirated copies of movies and music. If Linux was just as popular, those local copies burned on CD would be rooted no doubt too.

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    2. Re:Blocked by ElusiveJoe · · Score: 1

      I wonder if they could use their Great Firewall to cripple botnets. I mean, they have no problem finding and blocking thousands of IP addresses from TOR network, right? So they could easily block any number of C&C servers. But of course they wouldn't, because cyber attacks on other countries are controlled by the same government, which tries to mind-control citizens.

  15. If you are one in a million... by pcwhalen · · Score: 1

    ... you've got an audience of 500 exactly like you in China. Guaranteed.

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  16. Re:I know. My spam logs show it. by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 1

    What difference does that make? If you can fake your domain then you can make yourself appear to come from any country in the world.

  17. Whenever China makes headlines in Slashdot ... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... we get inundated by all sorts of racist diatribes

    And as if this is not enough, those racist diatribes got modded up "Funny" !

    Is this Slashdot all about, a site for racists to spew their totally incoherent diatribes ??

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    1. Re:Whenever China makes headlines in Slashdot ... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1, Funny

      its true.

      but you have to admit: each time you read a funny post, an hour later you want to read it again!

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    2. Re:Whenever China makes headlines in Slashdot ... by sp3d2orbit · · Score: 1

      When Slashdot bags on China's government it is racist.

      When Slashdot bags on America's government it is +5 Insightful.

    3. Re:Whenever China makes headlines in Slashdot ... by dave420 · · Score: 1

      He's not saying that. He's saying that racism is racism, and racism is not cool.

    4. Re:Whenever China makes headlines in Slashdot ... by 0xG · · Score: 1

      Well, I don't consider myself a "racist". However I am somewhat of a "culturist".

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  18. To the ignorants: by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

    Never mind the IP addresses, I wondered if they were running out of Chinese names, and found this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1554330/Too-many-Wangs-as-China-runs-out-of-names.html

    There are about 50,000 unique Chinese characters, and the Chinese names are made out of the combinations of those 50,000 unique Chinese characters

    On the other hand, the "West" as it is, has too many of its own "John Brown" / "Mary Smith"

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    1. Re:To the ignorants: by timeOday · · Score: 1
      The funny thing is even SSNs are only 9 digits, and 1e9 is only 1 billion - not nearly enough for China's 1,338,299,500 inhabitants!

      I sure hope the US never has to add a digit.

    2. Re:To the ignorants: by KramberryKoncerto · · Score: 1

      The generic household Chinese dictionary would not have nearly as much as 50000 characters, and most people do not know more much than 5000. Some characters are also more popular than others. Parents won't usually use "death" and "sickness"; instead they would prefer "affluence" and "happiness". The actual pool of characters for naming is not that large.

  19. So what can I sell them by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    seriously 500mil potential customers? Items drop shipped from Chinese factories at dirt cheap prices?

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  20. Wow by koan · · Score: 1

    Sounds like a gold mine for developers.

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  21. Sorry for being nitpicky, but I think you meant... by pelayo · · Score: 1

    half thousand million users/half milliard, if you want.

  22. China, is several times the size of Wales by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 1

    Just so that you know that it is really, really large.

  23. Re:That means half a billion... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

    ...Internet users are worthless human trash with no morals.

    Are you saying that the Internet users from China re "worthless human trash with no morals"?

    To the Slashdot editors, how long are you guys going to tolerate this type of racist garbage?

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  24. The Chinese consumer by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    Makes you wonder if China really needs all those American IOUs.

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  25. Re:For Everybody Else There's IPv6 by unixisc · · Score: 1

    If that goes on, a time will come when the US will end up w/ all of the world's IPv4 addresses, while the rest of the world has moved to IPv6. And they'll still be arguing for NAT, even though IPv6 would have by then proven that it's not necessary.

  26. Re:That means half a billion... by Anubis350 · · Score: 1

    To be fair the mod system is already doing its thing and the OP was modded down into oblivion. In fact, for example, I wouldn't have even known the comment existed were it not for your post, and my browse threshold is lower than most visitors to the site are at.

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  27. Re:Nice. by flyneye · · Score: 1

    No, the article says they "hit half a billion" this suggests they are very violent.
    In China mothers don't teach that "hitting isn't nice".

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  28. Re:Half a billion Chinese by dotancohen · · Score: 1

    Can't be Wong.

    Yes they can:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1554330/Too-many-Wangs-as-China-runs-out-of-names.html

    Please direct all positive karma to PolygamousRanchKid, he found the link above.

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