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Copyright Lobby Wants Canada Out of TPP Until Stronger Copyright Laws Passed
An anonymous reader writes "'The U.S. government just concluded a consultation
on whether it should support Canada's entry into the Trans Pacific
Partnership negotiations.' The TPP raises significant concerns
about extension of copyright and digital locks, so that might be a good
thing. However, Michael Geist reports
that the IIPA, which represents the major
movie, music, and software lobby associations, sees this as an
opportunity to force Canada to enact a Canadian DMCA and to implement
ACTA."
Can't have it both ways, the extra tax on recordable media would have to go, but I bet they would lobby against that.
Good riddance MAFIAA, Your country will find itself increasingly isolated, because Canada will still carry on trading with other countries including Europe and Australia, and will probably set up it's own treaty to NEVER trade with your government until this retarded nonsense stops. I'm being 100% serious :P
You don't want the TPP and you don't want the US forcing their copyright laws onto you. Here's your chance to say that you want neither.. you should holler it from the rooftops until every last corrupt politician knows it.
I'm sure Brunei, New Zealand and Singapore are already familiar enough with their fellow Commonwealth member to evaluate its merits without requiring the US to provide a character reference.
When Argumentum ad Hominem falls short, try Argumentum ad Matrem
The only cheeks you're exerting from are your butt cheeks.
opportunity to force Canada to enact
What the FUCK am I reading?!
I'm not sure what's more offensive: That they're so used to ignoring the democratic process in the US they ACTUALLY think this way, that ANY government thinks ACTA/DMCA helps further scientific progress and the arts, or that Corporations can throw their weight around in the political arena without being boycotted into oblivion.
I respect Canada for placing *their* needs before that of the US unlike the New Zealand and Australian governments act of total, complete and utter capitulation.
TPP doesn't need the US and Canada should be brave enough to propose direct negotiation with Australia, New Zealand, Brunei and Singapore. When you include the United Kingdom then these four Commonwealth realms have so very much more in common than a shared and separate Head of State. Our support of democracy, human rights, the doctrine of common law, a single language and our Westminster Parliamentary tradition to entreat with our contemporises in Brunei and Singapore. Diplomats already refer to these four nations as CANZUK then by including both Brunei and Singapore we'd have a trading pact second only to the US, Japan, the EU and China (with NZ already in an FTA with China and Australia very likely soon to follow).
It's the Commonwealth unification of similar minds and morals for *our* own mutual benefit instead just American copyright holders who continue to extend their copyright period.
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Right guys? Guys?
http://www.openmedia.ca/
They have done a pretty decent job of getting the word out about the Telecom's and Big Media's attempts to shape Canada to be another of their bitches.
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Recall the days when Microsoft was "partnering" itself with just about everyone in order to get them to give up whatever it is they have that's valuable or useful for next to nothing and then Microsoft screws them over somehow after they've got it? (It's probably still going on, we just hear less about it or business has finally started to catch on..?)
Doesn't this seem eerily like what the US copyright interests are doing through the US government? Setting up partnerships and trade agreements and ultimately screwing the other parties over and/or manipulating them to do their bidding? How much longer before they start catching on? I get the feeling they are already catching on somehow...
The US Mob in full "song"
Nice country you've got there. *kicks borders* You wouldn't want anything to "happen" to it, would you? Mr Big is getting very unhappy with your attitude you know, and you wouldn't like it when he gets unhapppy... But I'm sure we could come to an arrangement....
Join or you'll be sorry...
Reach down and find those frozen balls you guys sport.
And don't be yet another whore for the USA.
Just what do you expect? First, concentrated interests learn through trial-and-error how to influence, control and capture their most relevant regulators and legislators. Once this is done (Sonny Bono copyright extention of 1995), they look to extend their power and influence further afield, in this case to foreign governments.
This is just business as usual and the concentrated interests can pay for it. The real problem is the dilute interests (public at large) does not individually have enough money at stake to do anything. This inertia allows the concentrated interests to prevail. The US Constitution protects against some abuses, but more active measures are necessary. A static, defensive strategy always loses in the long term.
When I went to the IIPA, Web of Trust went berserk and said the site has a poor reputation for "trustworthiness," "vendor reliability" and "privacy." It also scored a low score on "child safety."
Copyright law needs to benefit all industries.Sorry, when a proposal requires almighty gusts of rhetoric to understand why we'd sabotage everyone else for one group's benefit, it's bad law.
Why do you cower, homosexuals?
Said the AC.
When are these fools going to realize that forcing our ideology on sovereign nations is why we are constantly are war - the real ones.
Enough of the *War On......* also, it does not contribute to our image.
The best thing is politics will not be which Potty is elected but removing lobbyists and money.
Not an AC this time. A brand new user with no content. But nothing you say makes any sense at all.
Mind your own damn business.
Signed,
Everybody Else.
Patents and copyrights must be abolished. They are just going to be the last nail in the coffin of US economy.
The Free Market solution must be used - Trade Secrets.
You want to protect your business for a while? You must not be able to use government force to protect your business model, so use trade secrets. Of-course /. crowd doesn't understand the principle behind trade secrets, so I have to spell it out.
Trade secrets are much more fair business practice, it does not lock any potential competitor out off the market, it does not prevent others from trying to understand how your product works and build their own. In case of patents it does not prevent others from discovering the ideas independently and implementing them on their own the way patents do.
I thought it should be clear at least on /., but obviously it's not.
As to Canada - they have a real economy, they have surpluses, they should trade with countries WHO CAN PAY. I mean they should sell their oil and other products to countries who produce something and can exchange products with Canada, and obviously USA looks like less and less a country that can pay for products it consumes. It can print, but printing isn't paying. Paying is working and giving some PRODUCTS back in exchange for products delivered.
You can't handle the truth.
"I'm not sure what's more offensive: That they're so used to ignoring the democratic process in the US they ACTUALLY think this way, that ANY government thinks ACTA/DMCA helps further scientific progress and the arts, or that Corporations can throw their weight around in the political arena without being boycotted into oblivion. "
We're getting to the point "don't assume ignorance when the answer might involve malice instead". So for your comment above, "points 1 and 3". The lobbies used to be at least a little clever with their wink & nod bribery, and at least a little modest with their perks. Very rapidly, on an accelerating curve, we're getting tons of stories about "**AA has successfully bullied ______ *country*. Countries?! We're blackmailing entire countries on their copyright policy?!
Then of course it's the "two punch" of the one-two surveillance combo. (The other being the Terrorist-Kiddie Safety meme.) So that makes your point 2 the lie, in service of the corruption of points 1 and 3. Like Division By Zero in Math, once you start getting blatant lies and ignoring the entire constitution, then reality sinks down into Wonderland very very fast. (Did you ever see those 1+1=3 proofs in grade school number theory books? They all work with division by zero tricks.)
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If you hate gay people then you don't like lesbians. Therefore, you're a faggot. Dismissed.
Geeks are so full of shit that "beating the crap out of them" takes a whole new meaning.
CreditCardRate+DebitCardFee+BillPayCharges+WhateverNext .... .... ....
AirFare+BaggageFee+MealPurchase+WhateverNext
RIAA+ASCAP+MediaFormatChange+MediaTaxes+WhateverNext
Whatever is next? Is a creative way to increase prices, profits, and maintain other charges.
CorporateWelfare+CorporateLaws+CorporateTaxes+CorporateBailout+WhateverNext ... is not capitalism or democracy, but it is a totalitarian welfare state for plutocrats. IOW: FuckUS
Unaccountable leaders are masters, and unrepresented people are slaves. How do US and EU fare?
At the end of the day, this is small potatoes for TPP. The real barrier to Canada being taken seriously in these talks is the outrageously protectionist supply management system in dairy, and the 300% tariff wall that goes with it. Since the supposidly "conservative" and "pro-trade" government is quite in favor of keeping that price gouging system in place to placate farmers in Ontario & Quebec, Canada's not going to be making much progress in TPP.
-- "So they told me that using the download page to download something was not something they anticipated." - Bill Gates
Why do people keep buying their crappy content? Stop buying their products and they will not have the type of power they have now to OWN governments all around the world. This crazyness has to stop. When the Internet was just starting to get popular these were the same people that were trying to find ways to kill it. I for one will not purchase,rent, or go to the movie theatre anymore to consume any of their content. When you keep consuming their products they take your money to go buy laws that work against you. in effect people are part of the problem. Vote with your wallet.
Apparently the Internet and the Freedom that it embodies has become a dangerous thing, according to multi-national commercial interests. This is in line with the recent aggressive anti-Internet tactics adopted by most Communist and Totalitarian Governments around the world, and now with SOPA and it's ilk, the USA has joined forces with it's greatest enemies. As the USA becomes more and more isolationist, it has apparently made the calculation that since "America" champions the cause of "Freedom" around the world, it must leave Internet censorship to the private sector, while the US Government retains the ability to wash it's hands of any actual participation in the restrictive legislation that results from sicking the corporate dogs on freedom. Canada, luckily, is in no mood lately to bow to US pressure, mostly due to the big brother tactics employed by US based pressure groups to control or deny Canada's economic best interests starting with Keystone XL. The USA is Canada's largest trading partner, and it may come as some surprise to Americans that Canada is also THEIR largest trading partner, and the supplier of a large percentage of their domestic Oil needs. Not to mention fresh water, hydro-electric power etc. With the Government currently in control in Ottawa, American paternalism may be in for a shock when we start shipping oil to the east instead of to the south, and adopt a attitude of "chuck you farley" in our relations with the ultra-liberal Obama "administration". Canada is no longer in a position of having no option but to ride the coattails of American prosperity, we are now in a position to dictate policy based on our own best interests, and American lawmakers had better wake up to that fact before it bites them in the ass. Unfortunately, based on recent US policy, it is an unlikely scenario, too bad for them.
"If the only tool that you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail." Donny Rumsfeld
The right-wing always frets about the dreaded UN wanting to control the world. But about the MAFIAA and Standard & Poors (who made money in the sub-prime pyramid scheme) being allowed to literally threaten and destabilize entire governments, they say not one harsh word.
... I, and I suppose a lot of Europeans with me, saw Canadians as less nonsense-and-hype-prone than US Americans; this goes especially for Canadian politicians as opposed to US politicians. I sincerely wish the Candadians to keep this reputation.
One might be astounded at the amount of credit the USA has lost in the western world. Both the tone of the OP and many of the comments here seem to underscore this.
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If the media industry continues this shameless behaviour, there will be more an more people like me who support the complete abolition of copyrights. That's going to hit in the face the media industry, and I, for one, will be watching and laughing. I want nothing more than my scientific research results to be available to everybody. A great number of musicians and visual artists are just as nonchalant about copyrights, and our numbers are going to grow. It seems inevitable.
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
Its time to get US lobbies out of Canada. By force if necessary. Too many times politicians have bowed to US pressure and gone against the wishes of Canadians. Enough is enough.
I think Canada should call the US's bluff on this one. I know sentiment here isn't going to allow the US to enforce SOPA style laws on Australia, and frankly, without Australia this whole TPP thing isn't going to happen.
Give it a year, and then once Australia makes the Yanks go home with their tails between their legs, Canada can join the TPP without having to yield to the American's strange notion of 'rights'.
I have two points I'd like to share, I've not RTFA yet and probably won't, so take this at face value.
1. The attitude demonstrated is a perfect example of extremist intolerance. All non-conformists will soon be labeled; we must all surrender our individualist values and all adhere the values of collectivism. The problem I see is that such collectivist values, especially in this case seem to directly benefit a minority.(classic/previous examples of extremist intolerance were previous "witch hunt" scenarios where labels included: "communist", "axis of evil" and even more recently "terrorist"). I found it most interesting, in a recent television news broadcast regarding an incident in the continuing instability in the middle east where extremist Jews had invading Palestinian occupied territories, where Palestinian leaders called for the labeling of those extremist Jews as terrorists. Israeli leaders concede that in fact they could be called terrorists but "...they will not be _treated_ as terrorists". In the example of extremist intolerance as worded in the Slashdot article, from the political posturing, Canada is being *treated* in a discriminatory way (in some ways similar to an embargo) and that everyone, or at least someone, wants it to be accepted as kosher.
2. It could also argue that by passing laws to "protect" (whatever that means in this case) the interests of special interest (copyright holders) and criminalize actions that do not directly cause real harm to any real human being. Our government is moving to pass laws causing ordinary law abiding citizens to be regarded as criminals. The end effect is to compromise large groups of society and their liberties and freedoms (if there is any presumption such groups have any) for the benefit of a few. This is yet another example of extremist social intolerance, (http://entertainment.ie/music/news/EMI-launches-lawsuit-against-Irish-state/97275.htm) it is not a stretch to conclude that special interests at work here have no real respect for the laws of a nation or state.
My personal view is that as this social intolerance continues, there will be a continuing declension in the distinctions between American democracy and totalitarianism insofar as we regard the way people are *treated*.
The U.S. administration needs to repudiate ACTA to be consistent with their latest pronouncements on SOPA/PIPA. And the presumption of guilt and short-circuiting of due process in the DMCA should be repealed.
Arguing against homophobia, then call him a faggot. How about you fucking quit saying that shit?
Abandonment laws: when you stop producing a copy, you lose the copy rights. If you end support for software, you lose copyright.
Transformative editions: when you apply for copyright, you MUST make available a version that can be used to make new versions. I.e. a key to unlock DRM, source code so binaries are recompiled, decoding algorithms for trade secret compression, and so on.
Property taxes: your property is taxed like any other business premise, based on the value of that property. Absent that, you only get the option for punitive damages (to be given to the state) and cessation of the infringing activity if a copyright breach is detected and you have assigned zero cost to your property.
Inheritance tax: when you give away your "property" you pay tax on its value. Do the same here.
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I, and almost everyone else around 30 I know, use fag to denote effeminate manners in a male regardless of the sexual orientation. You can be gay without being a faggot and you can be a faggot without being gay. We have to stop that fucking political correctness, freedom of speech meant that I should to be able to hurt other people feelings if I feel that they deserved it and derogatives words are perfect for that. Stop being such a pansy...
Jehovah be praised, Oracle was not selected
The *AA have to try to force the US government to act against Canada because Canada has intelligent not to mention real election financing laws.
Undetectable Steganography? Yep, there's an app fo
But.... but... I thought a fag was a Harley Davidson rider?
You are pretty much fucked up if you depend so much in trade with a single country that they even get to influence politics, demand things or threaten, just look at how it had affected for example Mexico, which is pretty stagnated this days because ridiculous treaties with USA.
The rest of the world should just form a block of trade and leave bullies like those to throw tantrums and cry all they want alone. That may even help them to get their shit together.
Yeah, I hate those faggot Harley riders.
Copyright lobby wants Canada out of the TPP, and I want the copyright lobby out of Canada.
Defender of Microsoft and Communism!!!
We're getting to the point "don't assume ignorance when the answer might involve malice instead".
Don't confuse Hanlon's Razor with mcgrew's razor. Hanlon (which I believe is a misspelling of Heinlein) "Never assume malice what incompetence explains". mcgrew: "never assume incompetence what greedy self-interest explains".
If I "screw up" and benefit from the "screwup", you should assume the "mistake" wasn't really mistaken. If I screw up and you're harmed but I'm not helped, Hanlon should come into play.
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It's not political correctness, it's calling someone out for being a dick. Freedom of speech means that you are fully able to hurt other people's feelings without the government stopping you, it does NOT mean that you shouldn't be called out for being a fucking asshole when you do it.
>You don't want the TPP and you don't want the US forcing their copyright laws onto you. Here's your chance to say that you want neither.. you should holler it from the rooftops until every last corrupt politician knows it.
But when pretty much only Michael Geist will report on this while none of the big newspapers will report it. If they do it'll be on some obscure blog deep inside the news site.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
Seriously, make my day. We get a lot of mainstream content and it's a difficult market place for budding artists. Crack down on copyright material, make it harder to reach all the popular songs for free and you have to buy everything.
You'll be doing a favour for a lot of independent artists out there. There's a lot of good music that doesn't make the radio or that a particular crowd will really enjoy, or a less popular genre that will get more exposure. All you'll do it as allow small artists to release tracks for free or exceptionally cheap, which people will then become aware of and start listening to their music.
You know, people you don't have record deals with. E.G you'll be doing your competition a favour. So, I'm good with it either way.
The media industries have poured so much money on our politicians we actually needed to give them swimming lessons! Not only that but the Conservative government is determined to enact every law that has not worked anywhere else. Also, if you disagree with the Government then you must be a terrorist. Things are polarized near the poles!
I would not dare to try to says that to the Harley riders around here, they really don't give a fuck about other people freedom of speech but they do care and take affirmative action about theirs hurt feelings by capping your knees !
Jehovah be praised, Oracle was not selected
Your own White House and Congress canned SOPA, yet you demand that Canada implement the same kind of draconian legislation that YOUR OWN PEOPLE AND GOVERNMENT REJECTED.
Can you see this pair of fingers waving on high?
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
Prime Minister Harper is determined to expand FT agreements worldwide. Last week the final touches on the FTA with the EU was finalized. They have eliminated the Canadian Wheat Board late in 2011 ... something that the US vigorously demanded in the original US-Canada FTA signed by George Bush Sr and PM Brian Mulroney and ratified by the two governments in 1988 ... and then equally vigorously demanded a second time when the Canada-US FTA was abandoned and NAFTA (adding Mexico) took it's place. He has also gone on record as saying he will dismantle any legislation that stands in the way of the Trans Pacific Partnership (there are Dairy and Poultry mechanisms that are also on the chopping block, and which the US is keen to exploit once they do).
Since he's already (twice) introduced the very legislation this story calls for over a number of years (due to political realities, like elections and minority governments they haven't yet been able to pass the legislation, but with a fresh mandate and a solid majority this time it won't be an issue) I very strongly suspect this is a planted comment asked for by Canadian diplomats and the US has complied. It's clearly designed to blunt some of the opposition to many aspects of the bill domestically (and which have been subjects on /. previously). The hard reality is he has the power to pass the law anytime over the next 3 years or so and he will.
I can imagine diplomats on both sides smiling at the success of the plant making Slashdot.
Don't talk like that or someone might claim you've got a WMD in your back yard.
Though as long as you price your tar-oil in US$ instead of € you should be safe.
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Canada will implement this sort of law regardless. It is coming. This sort of threat is just another excuse for our citizens to accept such an oppressive law as a necessary evil and for those in power to claim they had no choice. The best government is a minority government because it gets less accomplished. Now that we put in place a majority we see the government ruling in full steam. "That government is best which governs least".
Canadians don't want Canada to be a part of TPP anyway... so fine by me. The copyright laws need reducing as it is.
You make it sound like Harper is resisting... This is more like he is on his knees giving tribute to the corporate gods...