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A Copyright Nightmare

New submitter forkfail writes "If further proof were needed that copyright law was out of control in the U.S., it can be found in the fact that it costs 10 dollars to view Martin Luther King's famous Dream Speech. You might think you could find it on YouTube or other public venues, given its importance in American history. But no — the rights are firmly locked away until 2038."

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  1. Part of a money conflict within the King family by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is just part of a larger, really nasty conflict which has been going on within the King family since Coretta King's death. While deaths should ideally bring families together, they probably more often tear them apart (as petty old grudges and sibling rivalries find new expression in the debate over disposition of the estate)--ESPECIALLY when money is involved.

    In short Dexter King was sued by his sister Bernice and brother Martin Luther King III over Coretta King's estate after she died. Then he countersued. They later settled, but the copyright on those speeches was one of the most valuable financial assets they fought over in those lawsuits (which they divided up amongst the siblings). In short, the settlement requires that these speeches be treated as financial resources and treated as such.

    Money and greed trumped morality as the vultures descended.

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    1. Re:Part of a money conflict within the King family by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dear IP Overloads. I'm worried. I want to get copies of the Gettysburg Address and , but if I read these words without paying the appropriate sums to the Lincoln and Shakespeare families, will I be sued, and what will be the fines for infringement? My understanding is that it is now the number of atoms in the universe squared dollars, but perhaps that has changed.

      Yours sincerely, your frightened subservient intellectual serf.

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    2. Re:Part of a money conflict within the King family by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Interesting

      How can an speech that occurs in public be "copyrighted"? I can see how an individual recording could be -- If I take a photograph of you I own the copyright, presumably that applies to videos as well. How can it be though that there isn't one recording of his speech that's been released in the public domain? Surely not everybody who was there with a camera was interested in money and greed?

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    3. Re:Part of a money conflict within the King family by Fluffeh · · Score: 5, Interesting

      How can it be though that there isn't one recording of his speech that's been released in the public domain?

      I was thinking that exact same thought as I read it to start with, but then I got to thinking about when the speech was made. It's not like there were cellphones that recorded video, it's not like there were handycams that fit into your hand - or on your shoulder for that matter. The number of people recording that speech was probably indeed just one or two. If that is the case, then it is quite likely that while the speech itself is not copyright, the only available footage of the speech is locked down in copyright as tight as tight can be.

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    4. Re:Part of a money conflict within the King family by KingSkippus · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm worried. I want to get copies of the Gettysburg Address and ,

      Dear MightyMartian, due to your unapproved use of Mr. Shakespeare's title without financial remuneration, we have helpfully removed the title per Mr. Shakespeare's estate's request for you. As the Lincoln estate is not paying us an appropriate pound of flesh, we will allow the phrase "Gettysburg Address" to remain in your post without alteration.

      Sincerely,
      IP Overlords

    5. Re:Part of a money conflict within the King family by wisnoskij · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well obviously decency and a willingness to risk your own life to make the world a better place can skip a few generations.

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    6. Re:Part of a money conflict within the King family by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation.

      Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

      But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. So we have come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.

      In a sense we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

      It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. So we have come to cash this check — a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quick sands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children.

      It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges.

      But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.

      We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. They have come to realize that their fr

    7. Re:Part of a money conflict within the King family by similar_name · · Score: 5, Informative
    8. Re:Part of a money conflict within the King family by Solandri · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The bitter family feud that has divided the children of Martin Luther King Jr. isn't much different than other fights between brothers and sisters -- except that this one has spilled into the courts and publicly tarnished the legacy of an American icon of peace and harmony.

      "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

      So that dream came true, just not the way he expected.

    9. Re:Part of a money conflict within the King family by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'll mod it how I damn well please.

      Which is "not at all" now that you've posted.

  2. ooooooh yes you can by Bananatree3 · · Score: 5, Informative

    You might think you could find it on YouTube or other public venues, given its importance in American history. But no...

    oohhh but yes! You Can! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smEqnnklfYs

  3. I don't get it.... by RobinEggs · · Score: 5, Informative

    So we all know some of the King family have become money grubbing pricks equaled only by the Tolkien estate, and it doesn't surprise me that they want the speech behind paywalls, but this video of the speech has been on youtube for just short of a year.

    So how is it impossible to view the speech without giving the Kings $10?

  4. Obviously by Glith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What better way to encourage him to create new works?

  5. The point of copyright is to expand public domain by mykos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And this is a great reason why everything should return to public domain within a few years. We, the public, provided an automatic monopoly on an idea with the expectation that it would be returned to the public in a few years. A FEW. Not 90. Not 100.

    The entire point of copyright is to encourage works to be contributed to the public domain. Kinda nullifies public domain when the duration of copyright is almost half as long as America has existed. Let's turn back the clock on copyright duration. Make it 5-7 years. If that was long enough to exploit one's works in the 1600s, it would certainly be adequate today with the speed of digital distribution.

  6. 2038? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have a dream that code compiled in a 32-bit systems will one day live in an operating system where a copyright will not expire by the overflowing of its bits, but by the content of a 64-bit wrapper around any functions involving time_t.

  7. MLK Jr. himself sued to prevent use of his speech by nsanders · · Score: 5, Informative

    It isn't just his family who has turned this into a nightmare, MLK Jr. himself started the whole issue:

    http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/featured_documents/mlk_speech/

    Furthermore, it appears this wasn't simply a response to someone else trying to publish and profit from his address, it sounds like he claimed copyright a mere month after he gave the speech

    From (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alex-pasternack/i-have-a-dream-copyright_b_944784.html):

    "Also crucial in the estate’s copyright claims: though King himself claimed copyright of the speech a whole month after he delivered it, his claim was seen as valid because no “tangible” copy of the speech had been distributed before he made his claim. (The ruling was based on previous copyright law, from 1909, not the 1975 law we use today.)"

  8. Re:Not just his family by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    But he didn't mind plagiarizing others' work when it suited him. As in his dissertation. And part of his "I Have a Dream" speech was taken from Archibald Carey, another black preacher.

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  9. Re:How is it different from a play? by EzInKy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Are you saying the photographers subject retains the copyright then? If so, please provide a citation. Everything my searches are finding seem to indicate the copyright belongs to the person who clicked the button that caused the image to be made.

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  10. Re:How is it different from a play? by pavon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Everything my searches are finding seem to indicate the copyright belongs to the person who clicked the button that caused the image to be made.

    That is correct. The photography release forms that people are familiar with are related to invasion of privacy and defamation, not copyright.

    Replying to your original post, the difference is that you are not a creative work; your physical body is a product of nature/genetics/parents/god/whatever, but it is not a creative work of man*. A speech is. It is every bit as creative and unique as prose in a book, and should be just as eligible for copyright.

    That said, I do think there should be significant fair use rights for works like this, but I think it is the nature of the subject, not the fact that it was performed in the public that differentiates it.

    * You're body could be a canvas for a creative work, but that is another issue.