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Research In Motion To Be Sold, Possibly To Samsung

New submitter ve6ay writes "The talk of the tech world over the past day is that RIM, struggling mightily in these last months, was in talks to be bought either partially or wholly by Samsung. Sources at the Boy Genius Report indicate that while RIM may be trying to sell, it is asking way too much for itself."

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  1. Old news is old by MrHanky · · Score: 5, Informative

    Old news is even denied by Samsung.

    1. Re:Old news is old by A+Big+Gnu+Thrush · · Score: 3, Funny

      SOPA blackout would have saved Soulskill some embarrassment.

    2. Re:Old news is old by MrHanky · · Score: 2

      He would probably post it tomorrow anyway.

    3. Re:Old news is old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Dear me... is it that easy nowadays to influence stock prices? I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist - but seriously:

      1. Buy RIM shares
      2. Post some anonymous rumour on tech blog, watch share price jump.
      3. Sell RIM shares.
      4. PROFIT!

      Technically speaking, a Conspiracy is three or more people who are in collusion with each other to commit an illegal act.
      So if you're doing it all by yourself, it's not Conspiracy by definition, regardless of the legality.

      But yeah, it works pretty well. At least, it works well if you're a day-trader.

    4. Re:Old news is old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      He would probably post it tomorrow anyway.

      According to Slashdot's dupe policy, he is obligated to.

    5. Re:Old news is old by deniable · · Score: 5, Funny

      So, it's a pump-n-dump RIM job.

      Um, rim shot.

    6. Re:Old news is old by NatasRevol · · Score: 2, Funny

      I prefer this:

      1. Wait until RIM shares get boost.
      2. Buy RIM puts.
      3. Wait until RIM rumors disproved.
      4. Sell RIM puts, i.e. profit!

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    7. Re:Old news is old by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 2

      BGR has a history of posting false rumors about RIM. I'm not sure why anyone is surprised that this turned out the same. The only surprising thing was that anyone believed them in the first place (and many major media names did).

  2. Too late. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Too late. by Phil06 · · Score: 5, Funny

      RIM should try HP, they're suckers for stuff like this

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  3. Is it still possible? by neokushan · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't think this rumour of samsung buying out RIM is true, but it's worth noting that RIM's share price took a dive when Samsung denied it, theoretically that could have been a clever move by the big S to make the purchase cheaper.

    Frankly, though, I don't think RIM has anything of value to offer Samsung.

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    1. Re:Is it still possible? by neokushan · · Score: 2

      Plus, Samsung has their own mobile OS (BADA), as well as what's left of Nokia's Meego (Tizen). They certainly don't need BlackberryOS on top of that.

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  4. An even better plan: by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 4, Insightful

    An article for each senator who supports SOPA, with the corresponding senate.gov link

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  5. The US President's Blackberry by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If I were the US president, I wouldn't want my Blackberry to be at the mercy of a South Korean corporation. It's risky enough for a Canadian corp to be running such a sensitive device, but if it's going to be foreign (and so not entirely subject to US laws, and obviously having a national interest that sometimes competes with America's), Canadian is about the least risky. Especially after decades of integration with sensitive US operations, including the space arm on the NASA shuttles. But South Korea is not nearly as reliable, given its understandably different national interests and lower integration with US law. Not to mention the higher stakes in S. Korea with its insane nuke-armed neighbor changing kings and looking for new terms in their permanent war backed by the US.

    In any case President Me would rather have an Android phone, with an OS my spooks could inspect with a fine toothed comb, than a closed OS - whether foreign made or not. I wouldn't want Steve Jobs' ghost having secret access to my top-secret iPhone messages, especially when there are so many laws and lawsuits Apple could use my help "fixing". Even just tracking my location through a commercial datacenter seems a breach of national security.

    The US has such a large military, and budget to match, that I'd expect the White House to come with our own government smartphones on a secure network. There's no reason my phone couldn't use a gateway device carried by my entourage that goes over a secure military satellite network, even if the gateway is too big for me to carry myself. I don't carry the nuke football, either. But I could carry a civilian smartphone, battery out, in case I was separated from my entourage and as a last resort had to make a call on a public network.

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  6. I don't understand what went wrong by billcarson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't see at what point Blackberry failed? They started out as a messenger aimed at the corporate world, with reliability, uptime and ease of use as their selling points. They still offer that. The business world still has a need for this type of communication. What went wrong? I think it is a pity to see a motivated company like this go down.

    1. Re:I don't understand what went wrong by psergiu · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They failed at: reliability, uptime and ease of use
      Real life example:
      - Today i just missed a rescheduled meeting because my BlackBerry failed to ring the alarm (usually happens after too many days with no reboot);
      - Had about 4 half-day to full-day outages in the last month;
      - BES server upgrade caused ~15% of the Blackberry users in my department to lose access for around 3 days and then they had to reformat their devices to be able to receive mail again.

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    2. Re:I don't understand what went wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      (Posting AC because I'm at work)

      I don't see at what point Blackberry failed?

      What? Really? I can tell you the exact moment their downfall began. It's when the iPhone was announced and they decided they didn't have to adapt. Every other major phone maker quickly shifted gears, to one degree or another, except RIM. And RIM has been failing ever since. It's only recently that the downward fall has accelerated to this staggering degree but it all began the instant the iPhone was announced.

    3. Re:I don't understand what went wrong by Bert64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They were revolutionary in their day, but now everyone offers email on their phones...

      They failed to move with the times, so now while they still offer the same features everyone else offers something more and RIM devices are now perceived as dated and boring.

      Their products are tied to Microsoft (BES requires windows and is primarily tied to exchange), who released a competitor in the form of activesync and bundle it for free with exchange, rim cannot possibly be cheaper because if you have everything you need to run a blackberry server you also have activesync, and likely also have an MS sales rep in your ear.

      They try to lock you in to their products (you need a blackberry server, a blackberry handset and a blackberry specific data plan), but aren't big enough to get away with this strategy... Even MS Activesync is more open, there are multiple implementations on both the client and server end, and they work with standard carrier data plans.

      They route traffic through their servers, creating an additional single point of failure. With a standard data plan the traffic is routed by the telco to your server via the Internet... With RIM the data is routed by the telco to rim via the internet, who they route it back to you via the internet... If RIM has an outage (and they have had several recently) then you are dead in the water... If your internet connection or telco suffers an outage you have the ability to change provider with minimal fuss, if RIM has an outage you have to migrate away from blackberry to another manufacturer which means changing your server infrastructure and replacing handsets.

      The non enterprise (ie consumer oriented) blackberry service is intentionally crippled.

      It is becoming more common for employees to provide their own phones rather than using company supplied ones, not many people want to buy a blackberry for their own use (partly due to the crippled consumer level service).

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    4. Re:I don't understand what went wrong by Zerbey · · Score: 3

      They failed because they refused to innovate, expecting that they would continue on customer loyalty alone. It hasn't happened.

    5. Re:I don't understand what went wrong by ckaminski · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The EPIC FAIL that was the Storm. That's the moment of failure. That they COULD turn the ship mid-course. But they turned it TOWARDS the whirlpool, not towards the beach with bikini-clad volleyball players.

      Sad.

    6. Re:I don't understand what went wrong by nine-times · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yup. I do IT support, and we support blackberries, iPhones, Android phones, etc. From my point of view, here's the breakdown:

      Blackberry: People tell us they buy them because they're super-reliable business phones with lots of security features, but no one uses those security features and we get constant complaints about devices crashing, email not sending, and email not downloading. It's a headache to troubleshoot because of the weirdness of the setup-- resending service books, deactivating/reactivating phones is a hassle. Then every once in a while, every Blackberry in the world stops working because RIM essentially engineered a single point of failure for no apparent reason.

      Android: Generally hard to support because there are so many models and they might be very different. How do you set up [x] on phone [y]? I don't know. I have to look it up because who knows which version of Android is installed or what UI customizations the manufacturer put on top of them? Most likely, I won't find good online instructions, so I'll need to get the phone in my hands and fiddle with it myself before I can say how to do anything with it. Other than that, they're kind of mostly fine. Some are good, but some are crap.

      iPhone: If you don't have a specific reason to get a different kind of smartphone, just get an iPhone. They work. They're stable. There's a lot of development for the platform, and lots of things are well supported. I get very few complaints that aren't something obscure (e.g. why can't I sync Exchange public folders to my iPhone?), and most people are ultimately happy with them, even when they didn't think they would be ahead of time. I can tell you how to set up your email on an iPhone without looking it up, because it's the same on every iPhone and iPad. Email doesn't mysteriously stop syncing-- if it stopped syncing, you probably don't have reception or a Wifi connection. It's almost that simple.

    7. Re:I don't understand what went wrong by nine-times · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not all Android phones even have the same physical buttons along the bottom of the screen, and they're in different order sometimes. The procedure that you have to use to get to a list of applications can be different from one phone to another. Older Androids didn't even have Exchange support, though there's a generation of Android models where the manufacturer added in Exchange support before Google did, which I believe also leads to other possible variations in options.

      Now I'm not saying it's bad, but it's not all simple and uniform. A lot of people I support aren't that tech savvy, and I need to give them instructions that are exact, i.e. "Press this button, scroll down halfway through the page until you see something labelled [whatever]. The third option on the next menu will be [whatever]..." If the placement in the list is different or the label is different, you may as well be speaking German.

      And I don't say this because I'm intimately familiar with every model of Android, but I've had the experience of looking at an Android phone and saying, "OK, click this button, scroll down and look for an option that says [whatever]," and having the person on the other end go, "There is no option called [whatever]." Because they had a different model and the settings had been reorganized someplace else.

    8. Re:I don't understand what went wrong by Bert64 · · Score: 2

      Businesses should care about closed and locked products, being locked into a single supplier is extremely bad for business long term and making your business depend on something which doesn't have a second source is an extremely bad practice.

      Also in my experience, having both iphone and android for personal use and a work supplied blackberry, is that both web and email are considerably slower on the blackberry as well as both web/mail clients on the blackberry being extremely basic.

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    9. Re:I don't understand what went wrong by vakuona · · Score: 2

      I don't know about that. I took my BB out of the country, and switched it off, because I would otherwise incur stupidly steep data charges. I had a daily alarm turned on though...

      First thing was the stupid phone woke up while I was in the plane. Now, that is probably not a big deal, but it turned itself on to ring the alarm. Old phone ued to only ring the alarm, but the blackberry has to turn everything on to ring the alarm. Ridiculous.

      At the time I convinced myself that I had forgotten to turn the damn phone off, so I turned it off again. Very next day it woke up again. To ring the alarm, and proceeded to download my new emails and generally do the shit I had wanted to stop it doing by turning the phone off.

      Bottom line, if I turn off my phone, I don't want the alarm going. If I need the alarm, I will keep the phone on.

  7. sic transit gloria mundi by mapkinase · · Score: 5, Funny

    RIM joins a long range of former tech prom queens and class presidents that did not make it:

    Palm, altavista, NeXT, digg, motorola, SGI, Sun, Spice Girls.

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    1. Re:sic transit gloria mundi by Swampash · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dunno if I'd include NeXT in that list. It was bought out by a bigger richer company that wanted its technology and IP, and I'm posting using that technology right now.

    2. Re:sic transit gloria mundi by mapkinase · · Score: 5, Funny

      You are missing the point. I am using the energy and aminoacids from the Shith kebob I ate this morning. It does not make the chicken successful.

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    3. Re:sic transit gloria mundi by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2

      If after breakfast, you had suddenly developed feathers, a beak, and the uncontrollable urge to peck at the ground, the chicken might be feeling a certain sense of satisfaction from its coop in Chicken Heaven.

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  8. Re:CENSORED by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

    The SOPA subject came on several occasions, and was discussed copiously here on /..
    Adding another SOPA story would do better than a blackout.

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  9. Re:Raising Awareness? by Splab · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Also, I wholeheartedly believe it's the wrong aproach. The US really needs a legal overhaul - SOPA, PIPA and CIPA should be approved, put them through and let people live under this regime for 3-4 months, then people will start to notice how truly wrong the world has become.

    A single day of black out will make people think "oh, but it's not my fight really". Make it stick, force people to jump through hoops to get their youtube and lolcat fix; then action will be taken and it will be swift.

  10. Re:APPLE should buy RIM by MachineShedFred · · Score: 4, Informative

    As someone who works with mobility products in Fortune-50 business, I can tell you that Apple cares quite deeply for the enterprise. They just have a starting point of a consumer device, but with every software release it adds more and more of what enterprise wants. They are asking, enterprise is answering, and Apple is changing their stuff to suit.

    RIM is not, and that's why RIM is dying.

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  11. Patents by brucmack · · Score: 2

    RIM may not have a future as an independent company, but they should still be able to fetch a good price. They've got a nice fat patent portfolio, and likely also a nice portfolio of enterprise customers that are too locked-in to be switching from BB anytime soon.

  12. Slashdot's choice of stories is puzzling by walterbyrd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There have been some real news stories, but slashdot won't publish those. Instead slashdot posts stories about rumors - even rumors that have been proved false.

    Can't wait for the next TechGuy Google smear rumor to be published on slashdot.

  13. RIM is already dead by Casca · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They just don't know it yet. I have their latest and greatest 9860 (because I don't have a choice - thanks corporate idiots), and it is a complete and utter piece of shit. The first phone bricked itself within the first week, common problem with this model. The screen is plastic, and feels like it. The touchscreen is horribly inaccurate, making typing on it something dreadful and to be avoided. The on/off button is the entire top of the phone, so when you slip it in a pocket, it is very likely to turn the screen on. It is so under-powered, I'm constantly playing the guessing game of "did I tap the dialog box or not". The "app store" looks like the bargain bin at Blockbuster. Every time I pick this phone up it pisses me off.

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    1. Re:RIM is already dead by Casca · · Score: 2

      I almost wish the box had a baggie full of clay in it instead... At least that would be useful.

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    2. Re:RIM is already dead by Lucky_Norseman · · Score: 2

      BlackBerry too has the option to turn of data when roaming
      But if you turn off data, you are essentially offline.
      With a BlackBerry you can stay online and available and it still won't cost you an arm and a leg.
      Most email are simply a short bit of text with possibly some attachments.
      When I am in another country I get all my normal emails, and most of them I can reply to there and then. If I need to examine the attachments or read a very long mail I can usually wait till I'm back at the hotel with Wifi and read on the laptop.
      80K is a lot of plaintext,. And the limit is actually configurable.

  14. Re:Call me old fashioned... by Osgeld · · Score: 2

    some people have more than one thing to remember, and for about 2 million years humanity had to worry about eating and taking a shit, and not much else unless there was a war

  15. Bad management killed RIM. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I believe RIM is a formerly amazing company suffering from an advanced and fatal case of MBA.

    I always heard that RIM was serious in to business culture. When the company does implode, I bet we'll find that the entire organization was pretty much completely comprised of various levels of middle managers and executives, with very few people getting actual work done.

    RIM's products have severely stagnated and their new OS efforts are pretty much going nowhere. Worse, they can't even seem to port their core messaging functions their new QNX based platform.

    I think that somewhere they fired the core of their technical employees and knowledge workers. I think they've lost too many key assets, and now they're stuck rehashing and re skinning old software on crappy hardware because no one can make it work and some army of bean counters won't pay for serious hardware development. Something is very very rotten in RIM development land.

    I would not be surprised to find that the a lot of the blackberry core messaging functions are implemented in a mysterious binary blob that nobody has the source for anymore.. And that their efforts to implement an emulator/API that works with their new QNX platform have so far failed.That's the only excuse I can imagine for the level of crap coming out of RIM lately.

  16. Re:APPLE should buy RIM by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

    Why compete with AD when you can just extend the de facto standard with the attributes you need? Apple published a white paper on exactly how to do that: http://www.inspirednetworks.ca/site/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Modifying_the_Active_Directory_Schema.pdf

    No one was buying Apple server hardware except for very few niche markets, and Apple likes being a company that actually makes money on products. Strange, I know, but that's where it is. There were rare places where an Xserve made sense, and they were brilliant in those places, but the fact remains that you can run tens of thousands of Macs without having a single install of Mac OS X Server in your environment. This is something that should be celebrated, rather than used to deride. It's the opposite of vendor lock-in.

    Re: iOS management tools - Because the world clearly needs even more MDM choices that all do exactly the same thing (what the APIs allow). AirWatch, Good, Motorola MSP, Altiris CMS, FileWave, JAMF, etc. aren't nearly enough. Apple publishes an MDM API (Just like Android, BTW), and lets MDM vendors fight it out for superiority (Just like Google, BTW). If you're a small business that doesn't want to pay for a full-blown MDM, you can get a Mac Mini server and turn on the profile manager service if you want an Apple-provided solution.

    However, enterprise doesn't want an Apple-provided solution for MDM, because they want to manage ALL of their mobile devices from one console - BlackBerry, Android, iOS, WinMo (Yes, it's still out there), WP7, etc. The days of using 18 consoles for 18 different device platforms are over - the world has better tools now.

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  17. it's a trap by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

    [activate foil hat] But that's exactly what they would say, isn't it?

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  18. Re:Call me old fashioned... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    some people have more than one thing to remember, and for about 2 million years humanity had to worry about eating and taking a shit

    And bears. You forgot the bears.

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  19. Supposedly these rumours are not true... by drussell · · Score: 2

    The front page of today's Calgary Herald business section suggests the rumors are not true, Samsung is not interested in RIM:

    http://www.calgaryherald.com/business/Samsung+interested/6012112/story.html