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VGA and DVI Ports To Be Phased Out Over Next 5 Years
angry tapir writes "Legacy VGA and DVI display ports are likely to be phased out in PCs over the next five years, according to a study by NPD In-Stat. Intel and Advanced Micro Devices are ending chipset support for VGA by 2015. The VGA interface was originally introduced in 1986 and DVI was introduced in 1999."
the port connector's huge. Not to mention Dual Link DVI is a pain in the ass.
Display Port/Mini Display Port is tiny and free.
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It lacks any "copy protection". Don't worry, the (MP|RI)AA thought police will be around shortly to help correct your faulty logic. If this fails, then they will work with their friends in the government to put you someplace safe and quite where you cannot be a threat to others with your silly notions.
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DVI-D has copy protection just as good as HDMI. It supports HDCP.
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Not true. DVI supports HDCP just like HDMI does.
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I've never seen a motherboard *without* a parallel port or serial. they're not connected, but they are there. hell, my two month old motherboard with the trendy eSata and DVI for six core chip has floppy and "game" port on it!
Single-link DVI and HDMI are the same signal! They have the exact same TMDS pins! The ones and zeroes are identical! It's the same thing!
HDCP supported DVI before it supported HDMI, and has been available on graphics cards for years. This won't be closing any holes.
No, you can also play Blu-ray movies with an HDCP compliant monitor, video card and DVI cable. Or you can do it with VGA. Or you can do it on a integrated display (like a laptop). You just can't do it with non-HDCP digital video out whether HDMI or DVI (well, not at full res you can't, it must be downsampled to 960x540).
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Pirates don't even need the analog hole. Both HD-DVD and blu-ray have been cracked enough to just decrypt the disc.
DVI can support the same HDCP protection as HDMI because it's the same fucking thing with a different connector shape. The anti-HDMI fud here is idiotic.
Making HDMI ports requires a license/royalty (whereas things like DisplayPort is an open VESA standard and requires no royalty payments).
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That's why DisplayPort is the standard designed for PCs. HDMI is designed for TVs. DP cables have a locking mechanism that works well, without the annoyance of screwing in cables.
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All fullsize displayport adapters i've seen feature a couple of little hooks to prevent cable getting loose.
You then need to press some kind of button to release the plug and extract it, a-la rj45.
HDMI sucks.
Why? not because of HDMI.... Because of the worthless HDCP that is designed to make life miserable.
HDCP keys, handshakes, etc all make hdmi distribution expensive. The low grade dog food stuff does not do Key caching and management.
And god help you if you want to do a hdmi matrix. the ONLY company that has one that works is Crestron. Their DM switchers are the ONLY choice for a 16X16 or larger Hdmi switching that works.
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All the three you listed are electrically compatible. You can buy cables with a different one of those three sized connectors on either end.
The reason there are three different size USB connectors is for devices with different form factors. A mouse is fine for full size USB, a mobile phone will want micro-USB and something like a PS3 controller uses mini-USB.
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The sync of an HDMI cable isn't fast -- it's slow. So if you swap to a HDCP protected stream and then off of it, the monitor will flicker or sometimes, not come back at all. Then you need to reboot.
Just basically, it sucks. Read about HDMI handshake issues and you'll see what I mean.
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Because DVI is also an analog interface? Or are you forgetting the VGA-compatible (analog) C1-C5 signals? Which are, amazingly not at all present in a HDMI connection.
The digital portion of DVI is HDMI-equivalent. The analog portion of DVI is VGA-equivalent. The intent is to demolish VGA, including its equivalents. Hence, DVI has to be banished too.
QED.
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It's not that HDMI or DVI sucks... it's the HDCP that sucks.
Remove HDCP and digital video becomes a dream.
In fact that is the best thing to do, buy and install HDCP strippers at every source point and all switching and routing issues disappear.
But I cant do that, It's illegal in the usa. Soon you get to spend life in gitmo for even telling someone that such a device exists.
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So does this phase-out mean I won't be able to use the 4 VGA CRTs and 1 DVI LCD I have accumulated over the years?
What a waste of perfectly functional equipment.
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No, You'll be able to use adapters...according to the article.
Otherwise. yeah that would be a waste.
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While I agree with you on your individual points against the poster, DVI isn't digital only. DVI-D is, but most video cards still support DVI-A as well. It's pretty obvious to me that the announcement is concerning DVI-A and VGA ( because they're the same signals ).
Perosnally I doubt this is going to happen for an industry as a whole, but you'll start seeing the domainat technology be display port. ( And to the people who are getting ready to cry "Apple!" no this is not an Apple only technology... it's an industry standard adopted by nearly everybody on the hardware block )
I'm sure there will be plenty of budget video cards that will still support VGA or DVI-A. ( DVI-D will also get to continue to exist as an adapter to Displayport as is currently the case)
But ultimately, I do indeed see this a primarily benefitting content groups like the MPAA.
If Intel starts pushing Thunderbolt/Lightpeak then I might agree that this is done for progressing the state of the art. High resolution displays ( 4K for instance ) had a hard time being served by Dual DVI.
You can already buy inexpensive HDMI / Display Port to VGA / DVI adaptors.
DisplayPort can be converted to HDMI or single-link DVI with a cheap, passive adapter.
You can also convert it to VGA or dual-link DVI using active adapters (they show up to the computer as DisplayPort devices).
Audio data is superimposed in a vertical blanking interval of video data. It's hilarious really.
Not sure where you get that. The data stream for DisplayPort is not that much more complicated than HDMI. The only real difference is that you have to have a little more advanced logic to check the packet type before you shove the data into the monitor's frame buffer. And ideally, you should do something with some of the other packet types, like providing extra ports, but that's entirely optional. It certainly is not the case that the monitor is doing anything that could be done in the GPU. In all cases, the monitor has to decode the protocol and buffer it, then read that buffer back as it paints the screen. Digital video is not like analog video to a CRT where you could basically let the signal drive the tube....
The DVI-A to VGA adapters cost nothing because they're nothing more than a handful of wires. Of course any adapter that contains electronics is going to cost more than a wire. If you need an HDMI to VGA adapter, that's going to cost you a lot more than a cable, too (about $40—$10 more than a DP to VGA adapter, BTW). It has nothing to do with DP being too complex and everything to do with the fact that active electronics are required to do the job. That and the fact that there are not enough purchasers to drive prices down through economies of scale.
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Actually Mini-USB was the fragile one and Micro was introduced because it's more robust.
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No, you won't have to throw it away, these ports simply won't appear on new equipment. Being able to connect to VGA is still useful for old projectors, but it's no longer sufficiently important to waste board space on it. I bought a mini DisplayPort to VGA adaptor for £5 including delivery. It contains a set of three 10-bit DACs to generate the VGA signal and works well. I take it with me when I'm going to give presentations, but the rest of the time my laptop is quite happy without VGA.
I suppose that if your existing computer dies and you can afford a new computer, but can't afford a £5 adaptor then you may have to throw them away...
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Neither HDMI graphics cards nor HDMI monitors require HDCP. HDCP is not required on HDMI.
I ran HDMI from my DirecTV receiver to my Dell display (DVI input) for years. No HDCP required nor used (and the display didn't support it!).
There is nothing in the system that requires HDCP except the signal transmitting device. After the HDMI connection is set up, the transmitter knows whether it has active HDCP or not. The transmitter may then refuse to transmit video if the video it is to send is marked as not transportable over digital connections that don't use HDCP. For example an Xbox 360 will play games but not media content over a non-HDCP HDMI connection. A PS3 won't show anything at all over HDMI if there is no HDCP.
There is absolutely nothing enforced by the monitor vis-a-vis HDCP. If the sender sends video and monitor understands the format and encryption it displays it. It is completely up to the sender to decide what should and should not be displayed.
The rules for sending content over DVI are exactly the same as those over HDMI. If the content is marked as not showable over non-encrypted digital connections it cannot be shown over any non-encrypted digital connections, whether HDMI, DVI, MiniDP, etc.
Would it be too big an imposition to become informed about the facts before projecting hate?
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Actually, it was a legitimate problem with early SATA connectors. Manufacturers have since redesigned the connectors so that they don't suffer from this problem; these days, you can feel the SATA connector snapping into place when you plug it in. That wasn't true when they first came out, regardless of price.
DisplayPort is not just an industry standard, it is a royalty free standard, but HDMI seems to be winning - the only device I've seen with DisplayPort is my 2+ year old HP laptop and I have about 18 devices with HDMI in my household (heck, our cellphones even have it).