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The Chevy Segway Keeps On Rolling (Video)

Back in 2009 G.M. and Segway talked about the P.U.M.A., or Personal Urban Mobility and Accessibility vehicle. Now it's the EN-V, which stands for Electric Network Vehicle. G.M. (along with partner Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation) debuted the thing in Shanghai in 2010, then displayed it at the Las Vegas Consumer Electronics Show in 2011, and now they're showing it off at auto shows, no doubt hoping to get a lot of buzz going for this two-wheeled wonder, which is supposed to be so loaded with navigation and collision avoidance electronics that you can sleep in it on your way to work. (Please wake us up when we get there, okay?)

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  1. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Could we maybe get a little less talking by the broadcaster and a little more of a look at the damn thing

    1. Re:Wow by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I had the sound on, but low. She mentioned a price under $10,000, otherwise people would just buy a car.

      Personally, I can foresee a group of these going down the road when one in the lead hits a pothole and does the well-known segway faceplant. Collision avoidance kicks in on the following vehicles - causing them to segway faceplant and it looks like a billiard table. EN-V - corner pocket.

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    2. Re:Wow by user+flynn · · Score: 2

      Personally, I can foresee a group of these going down the road when one in the lead hits a pothole and does the well-known segway faceplant. Collision avoidance kicks in on the following vehicles - causing them to segway faceplant and it looks like a billiard table.

      When I think of a flock of segways, I imagine a bowling alley.

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  2. The Government gave us a blank check by cpu6502 · · Score: 2

    "So now we can spend money on stupid stuff (like segway clones) that were already proven failures by other companies (Segway)." - GM

    No I'm not trolling.
    This is my honest opinion.
    Though their Volt car seems like a decent idea; not sure why it isn't selling better?

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    1. Re:The Government gave us a blank check by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Though their Volt car seems like a decent idea; not sure why it isn't selling better?

      Because they start at like $40 grand and a Prius is $23k. That's a LOT of gas - even the guy at work who has already has solar cells and was going to charge it for "free" couldn't justify the price given the current price of gas.

      (We live in PA, so currently he is allowed to spin his electric meter backwards with the solar cells - that is why "free" is in quotes... it would actually cost him the going rate of electricity.)

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    2. Re:The Government gave us a blank check by RazzleFrog · · Score: 2

      Segways were a complete failure because they were incredibly impractical. Their whole model was built on the idea that cities would decide to create segway lanes. The only practical use I've seen for them are cops in parks instead of riding on bikes (because cops are too fat typically nowadays to ride a bike that long anyway).

    3. Re:The Government gave us a blank check by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So now we can spend money on stupid stuff (like segway clones) that were already proven failures by other companies (Segway).

      Segway was a failure because it's too goddamned expensive. Six grand? I only spent ten on my car. When the patents run out and they're a hundred bucks each, everybody will have one.

      The volt isn't selling better for the same reason. A teeny little car that costs more than my full sized sedan did new, has limited range, etc? No thanks. When an electric car costs no more than a gasoline car, they too will sell well.

      The 1% do not understand the 99%. Most of us don't have much money we can afford to waste on expensive toys like segways and electric cars, and those who can buy any damned thing they please can't get their heads around that.

    4. Re:The Government gave us a blank check by MrAngryForNoReason · · Score: 2

      Failure in sense of what? They are practical,

      In a lot of places Segways are illegal to ride on the pavement as they travel at 10+ mph and are also illegal to ride on the rode as they are too slow to coexist in cycle lanes or with actual traffic. Wikipedia has a good round up of restrictions in different states/countries.

      So essentially they aren't very practical because there are limited places where you can actually ride it. For a device that costs thousands of pounds it is a pretty big deal breaker when you can't actually go anywhere.

      Also being slower and massively more expensive than bikes makes them pretty pointless for able bodied people to use for transport and the need to stand up to ride them makes them pretty pointless for non-able bodied people to use for transport.

    5. Re:The Government gave us a blank check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The other problem is that the two parallel wheels thing is just pointless. There are electric scooters that do the same thing as a Segway but are way cheaper because they put the wheels one in front of the other.

    6. Re:The Government gave us a blank check by superdude72 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Segway was a failure because it's too goddamned expensive. Six grand? I only spent ten on my car. When the patents run out and they're a hundred bucks each, everybody will have one.

      Also, many cities--including mine, San Francisco--have banned their use on sidewalks. If I could buy the original Segway for under $2,000 and take it down the sidewalk, it would be a nice way to get around in a dense city with a lot of hills.

    7. Re:The Government gave us a blank check by cduffy · · Score: 2

      Assuming electricity for your segway is free (HA!)

      Not that far from it. I don't have numbers on the Segway, but for the e-bike I used to own (45 mile range on 1.2kWh of electricity including charger and battery losses), that's much, much less than $35/year for a full charge every day at the highest residential rate (middle of the summer, above the first 500 kWH).

    8. Re:The Government gave us a blank check by Iamthecheese · · Score: 2

      they're not pointless: they give the vehicle self-balancing capability and let it fit into the form factor a person fits in. you can't take a scooter onto a crowded elevator

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    9. Re:The Government gave us a blank check by rsborg · · Score: 2

      So now we can spend money on stupid stuff (like segway clones) that were already proven failures by other companies (Segway).

      Segway was a failure because it's too goddamned expensive. Six grand? I only spent ten on my car. When the patents run out and they're a hundred bucks each, everybody will have one.

      The volt isn't selling better for the same reason. A teeny little car that costs more than my full sized sedan did new, has limited range, etc? No thanks.

      Amen. This is why the Prius was successful - back in 2004, when they released the 2nd (less dinky looking) version, it was a) the least expensive car that had smart-key tech, bluetooth and nav options and b) a really good deal despite being a hybrid.

      The Prius cost has changed a bit (I priced out a newer model and was amazed by how much more expensive it is now - it's probably at price/value parity - natural considering the brand is firmly established), but the lesson is real: for mass-adoption to occur, pricing is a key element. This is why pricing innovation can be as important as technical innovation.

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  3. What in Sam Hell is a 'Puma'? by SlipDisc · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sarge: May I introduce, our new Light-Reconnaissance vehicle. (Rotating around the new jeep) It has 4-inch Armor Plating; M.A.G. Bumper Suspension; a mounted machine gunner position, and total seating for three. Gentlemen! This is the M12 LRV! I like to call it the 'Warthog'.
            Simmons: Why 'Warthog,' Sir?
            Sarge: Because 'M12 LRV' is too hard to say in conversation, son.
            Grif: No, but, why 'Warthog'? I mean, it doesn't really look like a pig...
            Sarge: Say that again?
            Grif: I think it looks more like a Puma.
            Sarge: What in Sam Hell is a 'Puma'?
            Simmons: Uhh, you mean like the shoe company?
            Grif: No, like a Puma. It's a big cat, like a lion.
            Sarge: You're making that up.
            Grif: I'm telling you, it's a real animal!
            Sarge: Simmons, I want you to poison Grif's next meal.
            Simmons: Yes sir!

  4. Missing parts by GaryOlson · · Score: 4, Funny

    Where's the bamboo handles and the skinny guy to make it go?

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  5. Re:The ultimate commuter car by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have a 30 minute commute... just about perfect.

    What would you be doing the other 29 minutes?

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  6. Re:Old Segways dont let you sit! by leonardluen · · Score: 3, Funny

    I just realized...we are the daleks!!!

    just need to make it look more like a garbage can and stick a plunger on it...

  7. Can somebody explain to me ... by jopet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    the physics of doing an emergency break with two parallel wheels when going 35 mph?

    1. Re:Can somebody explain to me ... by digitalsolo · · Score: 2

      Sure, it's simple.

      *CRASH*

      See? Simple.

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  8. NYC Auto show by tekrat · · Score: 5, Funny

    They were displaying a prototype of this 2 years ago at the NY Auto Show held at the Javits Center... My friend and I are standing by it, and we're trying to guess how much electronics are crammed into the thing, and my friend says "I'll bet it runs Linux"... So the booth babe next to us turns and says 'No, it runs on electricity!"

    We thanked her for her insightful information, took three steps and then started laughing hysterically.

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    1. Re:NYC Auto show by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Really? You think the booth babe wanted to be hit on? Oh, man - who's the socially inept one?

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  9. Solved problem. by characterZer0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem of getting a large number of people around in an urban setting was solved more than a hundred years ago.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle

    No reliance on fossil fuels. No recharge time. Takes very little parking space. Extremely maneuverable. Easily moved when broken. Cheap. Easy to repair.

    It does have one fatal flaw - low profit margins.

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    1. Re:Solved problem. by ArsonSmith · · Score: 2

      it was one of those devices that the tech involved was much cooler than the application. Other things that came out of this were much better, like the wheel chair that can raise it's occupant to eye level with standing adults and even climb stairs.

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    2. Re:Solved problem. by characterZer0 · · Score: 2

      Can you do that with a bicycle?

      Yes. I do it all the time in the winter.

      In freezing rain, my car slides a little, but with some careful control, I come out without any bruises, scrapes, or even missing paint.

      Do the cyclists and pedestrians that you slide into come out without any bruises or scrapes?

      Can you use a bicycle in freezing rain?

      Yes. I do it many times each year.

      What about when it is 0 F outside? Can you ride the bike without spending an hour putting various layers of clothing on? Without risk of frostbite?

      Yes. I dress appropriately. It takes a few minutes to get dressed. I am warmer pedaling than I would be if I got into a cold car and drove.

      I mean, really, if it's such a great all-weather machine, why is it for 3 months of the year, nobody at my workplace of 5,000 uses them--including the people who use them every damn day in the summer?

      I do not know. Ask them. I ride to work year round.

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  10. The EN-V is perfect. by sgt+scrub · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Imaging a fleet of these at bus/train stops for daily rental. In the US, at least, the problem with mass trasportation is getting from one stop to the rest of the destination. I tried to start a business in the Dallas area based on this. The idea is basically, a person pays a monthly subscription rental on an small shuttle electric vehicle. The company provides them with a vehicle like the EN-V at the location where they are dropped by the bus. When they are done, they simply return the vehicle to the stop, get on the bus, and go home. Ironically, the Texans that bitch all of the time about federal regulations, wouldn't let me start the business because of state requirements on vehicle size, liability insurance "path to owner" requirements, and licensing restrictions on who can run a "rental car business". If someone has the investment capital, I can guarantee the Federal incentives and tax cuts on this business alone would be worth getting into.

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  11. to hell with that little thing by FudRucker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    i would rather just have a golf cart, at least a golf cart has the room to haul four people, or two people and several bags of groceries or luggage or whatever else you need to haul

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  12. Re:Because Segways were a raging success by somersault · · Score: 2

    Are they actually turning a profit yet, or did the bailout just delay the inevitable?

    The fact that they are selling more cars than anyone else is completely worthless if they are still operating at a loss.

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  13. Re:Because Segways were a raging success by ArcherB · · Score: 2

    Are they actually turning a profit yet, or did the bailout just delay the inevitable?

    The fact that they are selling more cars than anyone else is completely worthless if they are still operating at a loss.

    Sure, they may be selling every car at a loss, but they plan on making up the difference in volume.

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  14. Re:Whet they need is by somersault · · Score: 2

    If only there were some way to get a chair and desk installed in your home.. and connect via some kind of communications network to your workplace and/or colleagues to share files. Maybe some way of sending text, audio or even visual communications.. that would be cool. It would save billions of units of currency of fuel each year, not to mention commuting time.

    Of course we just don't have the technology, and probably never will. Why do I torture myself with such dreams?

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  15. Re:Segway had potential by MrAngryForNoReason · · Score: 2

    Seemed to me that the bans were pretty reasonable. Something on the pavement that weighs a considerable amount and has a top speed of 12.5mph isn't suitable to be ridden on the pavement. At the same time a vehicle with a top speed of 12.5mph is too slow to ride on the road and causes an dangerous obstruction in a dedicated cycle lane of people riding bikes at 10-20mph.

  16. fair-weather friend? by flibbidyfloo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At the very end of the video she points out that this model (2nd gen) has no windshield wipers, headlamps, or climate control. But they are looking to add that stuff for the 3rd gen model so it will be "all weather". It seems to me that by the time they add all the crap to it that a normal car has, it won't be any cheaper than buying a SMART car. Sure you can spin it around and park it more easily, but with the range and speed tradeoffs it hardly seems like a good business model.

  17. I'm confused, who is the target market for this? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2

    I'm confused, who is the target market for this thing? They do not have the safety features of existing cars, so they cannot be used on the roads with existing cars. The justification for not including standard safety features is that they will never crash because, when every vehicle on the road is one of these, they will talk to each other and know where all the others are. The question is how do we get from where we are, to the place where every vehicle is one of these? Of course, the government and big businesses would love this because they would be able to track your every move.

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  18. Problems with selling the Volt by DragonWriter · · Score: 2

    Though their Volt car seems like a decent idea; not sure why it isn't selling better?

    Because its a fairly new plug-in hybrid that's substantially expensive as many competing hybrids (including, now, plug-in models) from more established brands (e.g., Prius), that is marketed as an "electric car" while at the same time spending a lot of marketing effort to overcome the perception of limitations of electric cars, and that is much more expensive than competitors electric cars (e.g., the Nissan Leaf.)

    If they had marketed it as a very fuel efficient hybrid, rather than trying to market it as an electric car and then trying to overcome the public perception of the limitation of electric cars (a limitation that is real, but doesn't apply to the Volt because its a plug-in hybrid, not an electric car) they would have faced less challenges, but they probably saw "electric car" as more of a differentiator, as there were lots of hybrids on the market. While that's probably true, and its probably a positive differentiator for a certain segment of the market, that segment is precisely the segment that is going to be turned off when they find out it actually has a gas tank.

    But even then it would be hard sell -- its a very expensive product that most of the intended market would need to finance, that doesn't appeal to the luxury-oriented market, that hit the market during an economic downturn that featured a major credit crunch, and for which the nearest competitors were much less expensive. Its not amazing that it was hard to sell even if the marketing had been spot on.

  19. Re:Looks like... by torgis · · Score: 2

    Riding around in a dismembered Transformer's head, specifically Bumblebee.

    I didn't want one until you mentioned that. Now it looks all sorts of awesome.