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Piratbyran Co-Founder Says Stop DDoSing Polish Sites
bs0d3 writes "Since the news was released that Poland will sign ACTA later this month, activists have taken to the streets in protest. Also, Anonymous has aimed their DDoS cannons at Polish websites. A government minister admitted the government had failed to fully consult the public on the issue. Piratbyran Co-Founder Marcin de Kaminski has been following the issue on ACTA in Poland, and agrees with activists that Anonymous' DDoS is hurting the situation. Now the Polish government is trying to speed up the signatory process, making a statement of not giving in to 'cyber terrorists.'"
Speeding it up only means they had ever intention of passing it anyways,
The government says "Hey, we really didn't consult the public before we agreed to this, but you know, since some anonymous organization from outside our country is attacking our internet sites, we have no choice but to screw the public as we originally intended and the blame rests soley on Anonymous."
Sounds like a convenient excuse to do what they were going to do anyway, but now they have a scapegoat.
Anonymous has been randomly attacking sites for the fun of it for most of it's existence.
They're not interrested in political issues, just attacking sites using any random excuse they can think of to justify their vandalism.
If they ever had ideological goals in the past, those have long since gone.
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Look into the term "false flag" to see what is really going on here in an attempt to use the reputation of one group to conduct activities by which you can justify an over-strong response that you wanted to perform in the first place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag
If the government failed to properly inform the public, yet they're still raming it though. Is that even legal in poland? I seem to remember something in their laws about that being pretty illegal after they got back to that whole democracy thing.
Om, nomnomnom...
Now the Polish government is trying to speed up the signatory process, making a statement of not giving in to 'cyber terrorists'.
The "cyber terrorists" are actually the American government and the corporations that control the American government.
The people who collude with the terrorists are the governments who take orders from the United States and enact legislation that was written by U.S. corporations. While the propaganda machine would like to deflect this problem unto protestors, everybody knows that Anonymous is merely making public what would otherwise be a back page news story.
Too bad that Piratbyran has fallen victim to the propaganda. And no, I do not support DDoS (and I do not condemn it either), I merely recognize it as a reaction to an oppressive and irrational trend towards ever more authoritarian governance.
Only stupid people will believe that Anonymous is expediting governments to be authoritarian. Too bad that there are a lot of stupid people in the world.
1. Anonymous should simply change their demand then. "We will continue to DDOS the websites unless the all the ministers in present government continue to occupy their position and stay in politics".
2. The Polish government will then announce that they refuse to give in to cyber terrorists and shall immediately resign en masse,and quit politics...
3. Profit!
even if the majority die in some freak accident,
You mean like a big plane crash?
Yikes dude.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
This does seem like a bizarre reaction from the hacktivists. The Polish government is in the news because they're one the longest holdouts in signing up to ACTA. Surely one of the governments that signed up quickly and quietly, with the minimum of public discussion, is more worthy of our scorn.
I'm sure there are plenty of historical precidents in which an action is regarded as a form of legitimate protest by the perpetuators, but a form of illegal violence by the state. Eventually the judgement of history will decide, but that can take decades - and really just depends on who wins, and thus who writes the history books. If the US had lost the war of independance, we'd be teaching that the rebels were a bunch of selfish thugs who just wanted to get out of paying taxes.
In the last article about these attacks, the list was all information sites. I've never visited riaa.com and I have no reason to ever visit it. .gov site ever.
All those types of sites just have the usual press releases, about us, and so on. Ditto for every
Why isn't anon focusing attacks on e-commerce sites? Sites of entities that support these laws, but will actually lose $$$ per hour if they go down.
Current Polish governmetn headed by Tusk is scared to death by free speech. They arrest bloggers (search "antykomor arrested"), record journaliest phone conversations (search "Helsinki Foundation WrÃblewski"), deny space on the future digital multiplex for not pro-government TV station (search "Trwam denied"). Since Tusk become prime minister, there were several uneplained air crasses that killed: Polish president, the chief of the Polish General Staff and other senior Polish military officers, the president of the National Bank of Poland, Poland's deputy foreign minister, Polish government officials, 15 members of the Polish parliament, senior members of the Polish clergy ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Polish_Air_Force_Tu-154_crash and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miros%C5%82awiec_air_accident ).
I bet some of those same people who turned into these politicians were here http://www.lubin82.pl/fotografie1.html fighting the communists and dodging ZOMO bullets and tear gas grenades.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
Actually most of those who died were responsible for stalling the process of adoption of software patents in the EU. They had a different approach to freedom than the current government, which treats it as a commodity for sale
Actually most of those who died were responsible for stalling the process of adoption of software patents in the EU. They had a different approach to freedom than the current government, which treats it as a commodity for sale
So let us create another conspiracy theory:
Their airplane is deliberately sabotaged so that people who will sign ACTA come to power.
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Dude - Poland is at least as religious as the USA and the probably an even worse US-brown-noser than the UK. Forget it.
Aren't they all corrupt at some level?
Currently ACTA is present here (Poland) in every news since a couple of days. People are furious, I think because: 1) Something such important was done behind their back 2) It certainly may limit freedom and may be cause of many abuses. Top government sites were hacked (as far as I know by different groups, some were quite funny). Despite large number of protests politicians seem to pretend that everything's alright and that they can continue with signing the act (yesterday polish ambassador in Japan was given permission to do that). What's funny is that Prime Minister says it won't change anything - so why to sign up? Many protests are being organised, similarly as with SOPA there are lists of politicians who support the act, some start to have doubts knowing that it may influence their appearance and perhaps future elections (in three years). I think that decisions are already made and nothing can be done. Some more info: http://globalvoicesonline.org/2012/01/22/poland-netizens-protest-governments-plan-to-sign-acta-next-week/ .
What!?
Dude, we're not THAT conservative. Actually, given that we're part of the Old World, you'd probably hard pressed to find anyone but the most closed-minded people, who would care about who is sleeping with whom.
We have a party leader who's brought a dildo to press conference, we have another who is apparently married to a cat in everything but official capacity, and we've had a share of convicted criminals, low-level swindlers and so on. At the least we've avoided a Berlusconi-level con guy, though.
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Ruemere
you're funny. so in your alternate reality, boer war and world's first genocide never happened, in india people were not shot and batoned down (and that happened in mid 20th century ha !), endless smaller repressions around southeast asia et al were hallucinations. and just at the turn of the century, british air force (then new) commanders were reassuring british government that palestinians had had learned the value of carpet bombing first hand, since their cities have been bombed by world's first carpet bombing mission.
dude. ...
you're funny.
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eu-encompassing treaty ? doesnt anything have to get ratified by european parliament ?
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"Now the Polish government is trying to speed up the signatory process, making a statement of not giving in to 'cyber terrorists.'"
Seems to me that's like smashing yourself in the face with a brick more just to spite those who were slapping you for being an idiot and doing such a thing in the first place.
In Poland we have a motto "Za nasza i wasza wolnosc" which roughly translates to "For our freedom and yours."
These politicians have forgotten from where they came.
GO BLUE!
The problem has a simple fix: http://signon.org/sign/fixing-copyright
They should work on planting "illegal" files on top government officials' home computers then blow the whistle on them.
"Action without philosophy is a lethal weapon; philosophy without action is worthless."
Because like you he is a nutcase? Polish government arresting bloggers, yeah right. You almost got it, only it was one blogger who was never arrested or charged with any crime. But do continue - maybe you could write something about artificial fog or helium too?
Let me get this straight:
The DDoS is supposedly a response to the speedy implementation of ACTA, so now that the Polish officials have threatened to sign it anyway, the Pirat guy wants the DDoS to stop ?
Let me translate that into slash-speak:
"I was thinking of stealing your car next Saturday, but since you've been hitting me in the face with a Louisville slugger, I'm gonna steal your car this Thursday"
The only people I know who think that way are thugs and gangsters. I think the attacks need to double in strength and breadth, and for the Polish people to take their protests to the streets. Swarm those government offices and scare the bejeezus out of those smug bastards.
-Billco, Fnarg.com
And if I knew that the Polish government would always speed up passing something into law whenever some group of "cyber-terrorists" started randomly attacking Polish websites, I'd craft a bill of my own, then pay some people to attack some websites when it came up for a vote.
The thought process here -> 1.) I pay to introduce a bill to their legislature, 2.) I stage some random attacks in protest of my introduced bill, 3.) the Polish government screams "Oh no, zee terrorists want us not to pass the 'All Poles must dress in women's clothing and dance funny jigs bill. We must pass it to show them our resolution!" 4.) I get to see a bunch of Poles dress in women's clothing and dance funny jigs.
I am John Hurt.
Even if all current members of Anonymous stopped all action upon realizing that what they do is a public relation dream for governments intent on passing censoring legislation, you can rest assured that would continue to see actions done in the name of Anonymous. It is that much of good PR stunt.
So, in the media, instead of reading that 5 millions people signed a petition against SOPA-PIPA, you read that punk hackers have defaced a site or two, and are threatening to wreak havoc. So, the conflict is no longer represented as between a corrupted government and the people, but between authorities in need of maintaining order in front of an assault by teenage vandals wanting to steal things without consequences.
Particularly, observe the way Anonymous played in the media in the last round about SOPA-PIPA. There is no other word to describe them, but as tools. Conscious of what they do or not, they were well on their way to derail the whole public effort with their stunts.
They will not stop by themselves, as I wrote. Collectively, those who wish to see the passing of sane Internet and copyright legislation, or at least stop the legislative push (putsch?) of corporations to take control of it, need to think about the way to stop this. Journalists need to educate themselves about the nonsense of accepting at face value claims that an action has been committed by a group called "Anonymous". Can you verify it? If you can't, then it is done anonymously, perhaps, but simply by vandals, punks, or by whoever's agents for that matter.
Instead of consulting the people, lets just claim they are terrorist and ignore them.
Countries of Warsaw Pact, of all things, were least concerned with foreign "IP law". Considering that actual Warsaw Pact was a military treaty, and there was no way to exchange military technology with "The West" legally, it would be strange if it was otherwise.
Contrary to the popular belief, there indeed is no God.
I'm seeing a disappointing amount of "Anonymous is giving them reasons to support SOPA/PIPA/ACTA!"; that's the exact sort of spin that typical corporate-controlled media puts on these situations while trying to appear as if they're not horribly biased to begin with. Its the same sort of despicable falsehood that is spewed in attempting to denigrate the Occupy protests The majority of Anonymous most publicized actions involve either 1) Leaks of confidential information regarding government corruption, including proof of private industry meddling and pulling the strings and 2) DDoS attacks. SOPA/PIPA/ACTA are constantly championed by their proponents as a way to stop copyright infringement, not to have blanket approval to censor at will and mark anyone with a dissenting opinion as a "cyber-criminal". If anyone in an official capacity seems to suggest that the actions of Anonymous are proof of why we need SOPA/PIPA/ACTA, they're exposing their own corrupt agenda!
Anonymous has over the years, through various "official" campaigns, done a lot of good for the Internet and global information at large. The very nature of Anon means that sometimes there will be those that use its mantle to shield their wretched dealings, but this is a minority. Also, specifically on the nature of DDoS attacks, I expect MUCH better of slashdot who should understand their composition and what they're designed to accomplish. Organized DDoS, when all participants are willing, is pretty much an online sit-in or picket-line. These forms of protest are designed to call attention to their grievance by impeding the normal functionality of the offending party. Yes, this can effect business. Yes this can make someone's day less convenient. However, that is the point! People are willing to give up their day and in some cases risk arrest to bring attention to the issue at hand. Its unfortunate that people have become so apathetic today that watching people "throw their bodies on the proverbial gears" barely causes most Americans (shall I say Westerners? Unsure...) to look up, or worst exclaim "How dare they interfere with the machine! The nerve of them being crushed to death to slow the thing down!" I personally feel that, in most circumstances this should not be an illegal action and if it is, it should be a minimal penalty civil infraction. Even today however, in most cases (with the exception of the far-too-frequent corrupt police officer crying "resisting arrest" and employing everything short of intentional deadly force to protesters) it is a misdemeanor or less where those arrested often have charges dropped or a small fine, unlikely to even require a day in court.
Why should this be any different if someone uses a computer? A physical-world denial of service is considered to all but right-wing nutjobs to be worthy of minor punishment, but people try to justify decades-long "cyber-crime" sentences simply because of their own ignorance of technology. A DDoS enacted on a site specifically for reasons of protest is no different and I expect Slashdot users to know better and thus refuse to propagate the erroneous ideal that its a "big scary computer thing that lets hackers steal all your medical records and sell pictures of your child to pedophiles" that corporate-controlled media and technophobic fearmongers push.
Website of unimportant Kraszewniki parish council has been hacked. http://www.kraszewniki.pl/
It displays following message.
This website has been hacked by AntonyMause Group. Stop ACTA!
Apparently, in response the village mayor has posted following message:
http://mainhg.demotywatory.pl/uploads/201201/1327406444_by_Proteo_500.jpg
Dear inhabitants of Kraszewniki parish,
Due to numerous complaints of the parish inhabitants about ACTA I would like to state that I have changed my mind about ACTA. As the village mayor I declare that I oppose ACTA!
Due to our IT man being off sick I appeal to hackers, which have suspended our internet site www.kraszewniki.pl, I appeal once again to revert the site to it's previous content. Otherwise I will have no choice but to change my mind about ACTA.
Roman Kumiak
Mayor of Kraszewniki parish
You almost got it, only it was one blogger who was never arrested or charged with any crime
idiot. it starts like that. its another form of suppression. they did same thing in turkey. like your sold-out government, turkish government is also america's bitch. back when they won their first election, press was free. now prime minister makes weekly meetings and tells all press leaders to what to print in their newspapers and broadcast on their tvs.
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And no, I do not support DDoS (and I do not condemn it either), I merely recognize it as a reaction to an oppressive and irrational trend towards ever more authoritarian governance.
The DDoS attacls are conscious act performed by human beings, not acts of nature, so why can't you either condemn or agree with them? You need a good reason to support vandalism/terrorism (call it what you like) but there are perfectly legitimate reasons to support even violence provided the cause is justified.
I wouldn't support (say) Al Qaeda's terrorist methods because I don't agree with their objectives, but I would certainly defend the right of the French Resistance in the Second World War or the Bolsheviks during the Russian Revolution to use violence. There is a lot of truth in the saying that the end justifies the means.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Why don't we start a non-conspiracy theory that not all events in the world are connected with copyright? I know, crazy huh?
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Yeah, sure, Turkey's ruling Islamist party is really going to be pro-American. I suppose that's why they're fstanding up against Israel, after having been in a fairly cosy relationship with them.
Any decrease in free speech in Turkey is nothing to do with them selling out to America.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
We have a party leader who's brought a dildo to press conference, we have another who is apparently married to a cat in everything but official capacity
You must be a paid shill for the Polish Tourist Board. Never before has your country sounded so interesting to an outsider. Please provide more details of the cat thing.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Why don't we start a non-conspiracy theory that not all events in the world are connected with copyright? I know, crazy huh?
Nah... boring...
In love, war and slashdot discussions, everything is allowed.
Sorry, with ACTA signed I may be sued for slander. And these particular guys love to litigate. :)
Regards,
Ruemere
Yeah, sure, Turkey's ruling Islamist party is really going to be pro-American. I suppose that's why they're fstanding up against Israel, after having been in a fairly cosy relationship with them.
congrats for falling for the farce. 'they are islamist, so they cant be pro american'. thats what they want the populace here to think, and thats why exactly people here think, vote for them, and keep them in power.
the reality is, laws that are even PROPOSED in usa by private interests, pass here in turkish parliament even before u.s. congress/senate starts debating a law draft for their version. see, all kinds of stuff that are pushed on you, from domain name censorship to filtering systems, have been passed not within a month later than they have been proposed in america. its insane.
not to mention that, erdogan (current pm) and gul (current president, ex external affairs minister) were recommended by rand corporation, cia-s public relations arm, in their 1997 report. report outright said that, for america's best interests, these should take power, and one should be pm, the other external affairs minister. it happened exactly the way report wanted later. report should still be available out on the web. back then when it hit the papers, we thought it was a good idea, since these people seemed milder than the other islamists out there. but we stand corrected.
I suppose that's why they're fstanding up against Israel, after having been in a fairly cosy relationship with them.
hahaha. 'standing up to'. they dont stand up to anything. whenever israel screws up something, they come in the news, bark against israel with strong statements, and do NOTHING. sorry - they dont do 'nothing'. they do the opposite - award the juiciest military contracts to israel, refrain from whatever israel does not want to happen, support israel in all its endeavors - right to the point of being the tool for the israel-desired, u.s. propagated overthrow of syrian government. they even came to the point of talking about intervening in syria, as if everything else was in good order, and russia was not next to us on the map and openly stated that they are going to take it as an aggression.
every time israel does some shit, erdogan comes up, talks threateningly, the radical party in power in israel responds in kind, and both sides do a good advertisement for votes. and both sides can ramp up radicalism, censorship and various other 'measures' by showing each other as a threat. all the while israel army is modernizing turkish army. its a win-win situation.
congrats for falling for the facade.
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