Canadian SOPA Could Target YouTube

bs0d3 writes "The music industry is seeking over a dozen changes to Canadian anti-piracy bill C-11, including website blocking, Internet termination for alleged repeat infringers, and an expansion of the "enabler" provision that is supposedly designed to target pirate sites. Meanwhile, the Entertainment Software Association of Canada also wants an expansion of the enabler provision along with further tightening of the already-restrictive digital lock rules. It's concerning that some of these expansions will create a risky situation for legitimate websites, as SOPA did in the U.S. Michael Geist outlines the legal history and complications here."

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we need a tech star chamber

[Thud457]

Apple, Google, Microsoft, IBM, HP, Toshiba, Samsung and Comcast should just create a consortium.
The purpose of this consortium would be to buy up the media companies and put a bullet in their head .
It's time we stopped the tail from wagging the dog here. It's just good business.

Re:we need a tech star chamber

[PRMan]

Exactly. It even makes good investor sense for Google to buy, say, Universal or Viacom. Without buying them, one of their largest assets—YouTube—is in jeopardy. This even takes care of anti-trust issues.

C-11 is NOTHING like SOPA, and milder then DMCA

[JimCanuck]

Please, C-11 does nothing of the sort.

C-11 is really just renaming some things in the original copyright acts, doesn't change the fact you must go to court to prove your case before having someone's website pulled, charged or anything.

It adds a bunch of non-specifics about the WIPO Copyright Treaty (WCT in the law), that we signed and never actually changed our copyrights to agree with. Its you know only been 10 years since the Liberals signed it and had not done anything about it Federally.

Also, most of the law, is worded to match that agreement, especially relating to internet sharing, however, the law was written not targeting the "service providers" and "users" as the agreement was originally signed and the American's adopted it as the DMCA, it actually appears to only target the people who are hosting/running the services. Which is following the spirit of the Supreme Court ruling about P2P file sharing being legal, as long as your not advertising, or benefiting through the copyright infringement financially.

Which seems to be why they added this part:

(2.4) In determining whether a person has infringed copyright under subsection (2.3), the court may consider

(a) whether the person expressly or implicitly marketed or promoted the service as one that could be used to enable acts of copyright infringement;

(b) whether the person had knowledge that the service was used to enable a significant number of acts of copyright infringement;

(c) whether the service has significant uses other than to enable acts of copyright infringement;

(d) the person’s ability, as part of providing the service, to limit acts of copyright infringement, and any action taken by the person to do so;

(e) any benefits the person received as a result of enabling the acts of copyright infringement; and

(f) the economic viability of the provision of the service if it were not used to enable acts of copyright infringement.

It is all about whether your providing a "service" to aid in copyright infridgement. Not actually the users. MegaUpload = No good, Torrents/Gnutella shared among peoples personal computers = okay still.

Re:C-11 is NOTHING like SOPA, and milder then DMCA

[mark-t]

C11 contains explicit exemptions to copyright infringement under a "fair dealings" guideline, but simultaneously effectively revokes all of those exemptions if or whenever the work in question has any form of digital lock. It has absolutely no fair use exemptions to circumventing digital locks. You can be breaking the law under C-11 even without violating copyright! C11 is *FAR* more restrictive than the DMCA, which contains fair use exemptions to its provisions.

Only problem is

[TheSkepticalOptimist]

Canadians are passive and will allow this to roll through largely uncontested, just like all the tariffs that are STILL slapped on anything that can play music in spite of the fact that most devices these days have online music stores built into them meaning the tariff is largely charged against people who are legitimately using these devices to buy music.

The fact is Canadians should rise up against the CRTC which largely allows the Big 3 Canadian telco's to charge whatever the f*ck they want for their [insert sh*ty] services without any consumer protection and then these telcos make it difficult for any "competitive" re-sellers to operate. CRTC is limiting what services like Netflix can bring into Canada. CRTC is allowing such bullshit as SOPA like FUD into Canada. CRTC is ensuring price fixing and regular gouging of customers through mandatory fee increases.

If there is any organization that is less in touch with the 21st century telecommunications is an organization that was set up for radio and television transmissions. If there is any organization less committed to protecting consumer rights, its the good ol' Canadian Radio and Television Commission.

Re:Canada = another Commonwealth nanny state

[tlhIngan]

The problem is not how Socialist (look up the word, it has a different meaning outside of the US) Canada is or has been in the past - its how incredibly Right Wing our current Conservative government is. Yes, somehow my fellow Canadian citizens were STUPID enough to elect the worst politician this country has ever seen into a majority government. I don't expect that is going to get any better until (sadly) a lot of the older generation dies off (as people get older they tend to be more conservative and we have a big bubble of older citizens etc).
Harper does whatever the fuck he wants, taking his lead from whatever his masters in the Republican party tell him to do.

Harper's actually a brilliant politician. If you look at him carefully, he says what people want to hear, then dismisses what they don't by couching it terms they want to hear. At the same time, he discredits his opposition using brilliant words that people want to hear. Everything else he buries.

Think about it. Right now, we have the whole pipeline thing in BC. Harper has couched it in "JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS" and "EVIL AMERICAN ECOTERRORISTS". And that's all he's saying, ignoring that the oil companies he's backing are majority owned by international interests. So the big story is how all the eco groups are foreign funded.

It's also how his attack ads work - making us fearful of the party leaders.

Quite brilliant because the people lap it up.

Final example - cutting of corporate tax to BELOW the US (!). The funny thing about that is all the US companies are effectively subsidized because they have to pay at least the US tax rate, so low Canadian tax rates mean that the US goverment is getting revenue from the companies that weren't paying anything before. So the Canadian taxpayer is helping the US. (Nevermind the whole John Deere (?) thing where he handed them a bailout, and they promptly shut down the factory to relocate to the US). Again, all couched in "JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS"

Brilliant policitian. Just not someone who governs well.

Liar

[alexo]

Please, C-11 does nothing of the sort.

C-11 is really just renaming some things in the original copyright acts

Shilling much?

Go read Section 41 then come back to apologize for your ludicrous statements.

C-11 criminalizes the circumvention of DRM for any purposes whatsoever, including bunt not limited to exercising your fair dealing rights. Want to rip the DVD that you bought in order to watch it on your iPhone? Congratulations, you are now a criminal for circumventing CSS.

Bloody liar.

Re:Canada

[ceoyoyo]

You are responsible for the government you elect. That's what it means to live in a democracy. No, you're not all dicks. Unfortunately a large percentage of you are too apathetic to both voting (which is certainly not unique to the US), virtually all of you can't be bothered to run and actually commit to what you believe in, and the rest haven't bothered to think enough to figure out that abstaining from voting is completely stupid and everybody not voting for alternative candidates because "they don't have a chance" is nearly as dumb.

I'm Canadian. I didn't vote for Harper (and I DID vote), but as I Canadian I know he's our fault. We're getting what we asked for. And we'll pay for it. Next time hopefully we'll know better. If not, it's still our fault.

Vote your conscience. If everyone did that you guys would actually have a pretty decent democracy.