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Stanford Online Courses Delayed; More Time To Sign Up

mikejuk writes "Online Computer Science classes that have attracted tens of thousands of students have been put back for a couple of weeks. Is this on account of Sebastian Thrun's resignation from Stanford? Whatever the reason, providing certificates for online students seems to be a real point of contention. James Plummer, dean of Stanford's School of Engineering, said 'I think it will actually be a long time, maybe never, when actual Stanford degrees would be given for fully online work by anyone who wishes to register for the courses.' The good news is that the delay means that there is still time to sign up."

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  1. *Sigh* There's no drama. by jholyhead · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This has nothing to do with Sebastian Thrun. He had nothing to do with this batch of courses. Both schemes emerged from Stanford and launched alongside one another (presumably to maximise publicity), but they are not related.

    There have been suggestions (from, most notably, Professor Jeffrey Ullman) that Stanford got spanked by disability advocates who complained that the courses were not accessible to the visually impaired and that the development team was working to get this fixed before launch; hence the delay.

    As for certificates - it has always been made very clear that there would be no certification or credit of any kind, issued by Stanford for these courses or for the courses run by Sebastian Thrun's outfit. For there to be contention, there needs to be some area of disagreement - there is none.

    1. Re:*Sigh* There's no drama. by jholyhead · · Score: 2

      In that CS101 class he intends to go from no programming knowledge to building a rudimentary search engine - that's not weighty enough for you?

      And in his other course he is going to teach the algorithms and techniques used in Google's self driving car.

      I'm not quite sure what you think an ambitious effort would consist of.

      The superiority of the ML class has been talked about a lot, but I hope that Thrun and co. have taken those criticisms on board and improved their methodology.

  2. You can always sign up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    The summary implies that it's too late to sign up when the course has started. That's bullshit. Last semester I signed up to db-class after the midterm exam. There is a 50% penalty on quiz scores if you submit them after the deadline, and exams aren't scored after their deadline, but that certificate is worthless anyway. People are taking these classes for learning, not for credit.

  3. Nice to know that so many still WANT to learn by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would still be taking college courses just for fun, if I could afford it. There is something to be said for the idea of "never stop learning" and not resting on your laurels. I wish more people would adopt this philosophy, instead of getting to a certain place in their lives and just saying "Well, no need to learn anything new." I've worked with many programmers who hadn't learned a damn thing since they were in their 20's. They just become more obsolete every day they live.

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    SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
  4. Likely nothing to do with Thrun by Missing.Matter · · Score: 2
    I signed up for the ML course and got this e-mail last week:

    We're very excited for the forthcoming launch of Machine Learning. We're sorry for not to have gotten in touch lately - we've been busy generating lots of content, and the system is working really well. Unfortunately, there are still a few administrative i's to dot and t's to cross. We're still hopeful that we'll go live very soon. But since we don't have a firm timeline right now, we'd rather leave this open and get back to you with a definitive date soon (rather than just promise you a date that's far enough in the future that we can feel confident about it). We'll let you know a firm date as soon as we possibly can. We realize that some of you will have made plans expecting the course to start in January, and we apologize for any difficulties that this delay may cause. The good news is that the course is looking great, and we're thrilled that over 44,000 people have signed up - we can't wait for the course to start! See you soon online! - The Machine Learning Course Staff

    Seems like technical/administrative issues? Maybe they weren't counting on so many students?

    1. Re:Likely nothing to do with Thrun by jholyhead · · Score: 3, Funny

      Making a video course accessible to blind people is a significant task.

  5. college is not setup for continuing education by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    Some times colleges are very hard for people working to take classes. Tech schools and community colleges do have the class times that work for people with jobs. But HR does not like tech schools and community colleges. Also most community colleges are 2 year based but they have lot's of classes you can take DROP IN.

    Now continuing education in the old college system is BA, masters, PHD and that comes with it's load of filler and other stuff that is over kill say if you just want to learn about new tech or take some classes as a refresher.

    This is why IT / TECH needs to be more like the trades / apprenticeship / VOC school system where continuing education works along with real work skills that you don't get in the class room.

    1. Re:college is not setup for continuing education by 0racle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But HR does not like tech schools and community colleges.

      This is seriously a problem with society. If it doesn't make you money, or if it isn't directly related to making money, it is thought of as useless. GP said he would take classes for fun, who cares what any company thinks about it. I did the Stanford machine learning course because it was interesting, not because it would help me make money in any way, I will do more for the same reason, and in more diverse fields. People learning about things not related to their job or area of expertise is a good thing, it is something to be encouraged.

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      "I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are."
  6. Never is about right by Herkum01 · · Score: 2

    Universities are big business with long-term faculty and administrative staff being a large expense. It would be foolish to believe that they are going to allow online courses to replace their cash cow(campus students).

  7. Re:Where is it? by dorix · · Score: 2
  8. About time by glittermage · · Score: 2

    This is a very efficient way to discover or farm potentially high value talent.

    Offer free high level courses to people. This equates to great PR (educating people is good) + sift through data to find high value talent. Provide high value contact information to Google or other high tech firms.

    Awesome!

    More effective than a billboard on a freeway.

  9. How much time commitment? by Quirkz · · Score: 2

    Can anybody who's taken one of these courses tell me how much time commitment these things tend to require on a weekly basis? Trying to decide how many of these classes I can reasonably take at the same time without getting overloaded.