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Twitter Can Now Block Tweets In Specific Countries

itwbennett writes "In a blog post on Thursday, Twitter announced that it can now block individual Tweets in specific countries, while leaving them visible in other countries. 'We try to keep content up whenever and wherever we can, and we will be transparent with users when we can't,' the blog said. Twitter will publish requests it receives to block content through its partnership with Chilling Effects."

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  1. Lovely by the+Dragonweaver · · Score: 2

    A brilliant means of censorship. Gotta love Big Brother.

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    1. Re:Lovely by davester666 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This isn't for Egypt, Saudi Arabia or third world countries. They just outright block Twitter, Facebook, whatever and everybody knows it.

      This is for North America, Europe and Asia [China/Japan], so their governments/industry partners can silently kill specific things without people readily knowing about it. So you still have the appearance of free speech, without actually having it.

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    2. Re:Lovely by Endovior · · Score: 2, Informative

      This isn't for Egypt, Saudi Arabia or third world countries.

      Duh. Those are full of spear-chuckin niggers, dune coons, and other undesirables. I really like the name spear-chucker. It works. It fits. The white man invented sailing ships and sailed the globe and found the black man. Not the fucking other way around. For a reason. That is why blacks are inferior. This is not a few people vs a few people. This is much bigger than a statistically significant sample size. This is a whole people, tens upon tens of millions, over thousands of years .. vs a whole people, tens upon tens of millions, even more thousands of years. If all early human ancestors were from Africa than the fucking niggers had even more time than the white man. But they are the primitives. What does that tell you? They fail at life. They are spear chuckers. They are tribal and savage and always will be except the white man found them. They sold each other into slavery too so don't even start with that shit. Oh and all white people have ancestors who were once slaves so again don't bother with that bullshit, it only works on the government educated masses not on me.

      Wow. Racist of the year award goes to this man. Why did Europe 'discover' Africa, and not vice-versa? Guns, Germs, and Steel: look it up. The macrohistorical advancement of a 'race' has more to do with geography, climate, and natural resources than anything else, and if you don't believe that, it's because you're an idiot.

    3. Re:Lovely by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Funny

      Racist of the year award goes to this man. Why did Europe 'discover' Africa, and not vice-versa?

      It was the 'discovered Africa' thing that tipped you off that he/she was racist? Not the word nigger, dune coons, or undesirables? I'm just trying to help you here when I say, you might want to work on understanding the underlying meaning behind sentences, because you missed some big ones there.

      I'd even go so far as to say he was being racist on purpose.

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    4. Re:Lovely by 91degrees · · Score: 2

      Not at all!

      Twitter can block tweets in some countries but the country could block twitter anyway. Superficially it appears that twitter is cooperating, but what do we know about censorship on the internet?

      This will only silence an actual tweet, if nobody in the world is sufficiently incensed by the censorship. As soon as a tweet is blocked, it will be retweeted like crazy, as well as mirrored on countless websites. It effectively neuters censorship.

  2. About Respecting Sovereignty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This has nothing to do with censorship. It's about a company respecting other countries laws and their sovereignty. A lot of other countries do not hold the same western values of free speech as the rest of us. Why can't some people respect that?

    Their countries, their laws. If companies want to do business there or not be blocked, they should respect them. I applaud Twitter on taking this step.

  3. Shocking!! money? by Moray_Reef · · Score: 5, Interesting
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  4. Why would twitter by Dyinobal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why would twitter even, work to create such a functionality? Is this in reaction to SOPA, were they afraid they'd end up getting shut down in the USA if it passed and they don't want to be caught with their pants down?

    Even so if this was the case why advertise it? How long before some draconian government demands that twitter use this to censor it's site 'for' its citizens.

    1. Re:Why would twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Easy, here, take a look at this compression format. You just need a special decompressor software and Internet access to unpack it.

      And yes, linking is crime as well in SOPA.

    2. Re:Why would twitter by BradleyUffner · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't know of any data compression method that will let you put a feature length movie into 140 characters.

      Here ya go... The Perfect Storm compressed to less than 140 characters: "They all die"

    3. Re:Why would twitter by BradleyUffner · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ohh crap, I just realized that anyone who reads that is pirating the movie. Sorry guys.

    4. Re:Why would twitter by Dyinobal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know you're trying to joke but it honestly wouldn't surprise me that the entertainment industry would want to go after people who posted spoilers.

    5. Re:Why would twitter by Hentes · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You are naive. Pirates are just the strawmen, the real goal of SOPA is to eliminate all user-generated content that threatens the monopoly of the Big Media.

  5. Streisand Effect, anyone? by srjh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wouldn't necessarily applaud them for this - operating under the laws of a specific country may well be a case of having their hands tied.

    However this is the right way to go about applying government censorship, if there is such a thing. Let those in the censoring country see a "your government has banned this tweet" message, and letting everyone else see "The X government has banned this Tweet, but here it is because you're not in X" will shed light on what was being censored, will shed light on the censorship itself, and both the attention and the trivial nature of defeating censorship will let those in the relevant country see it anyway.

    That is something that arguably can be applauded.

    1. Re:Streisand Effect, anyone? by http · · Score: 2

      Your government has censored this post.

      Still applauding?

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    2. Re:Streisand Effect, anyone? by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In the past, there would be simply silence. A government order would be delivered to a Twitter (or a Facebook or a forum) and the material would disappear, everywhere. Often the material was child pornography - most links removed by Twitter last year were child porn links.

      Now, there is a trace left for every act of censorship. When a government demands something be removed (and this will only matter for those countries in which Twitter is doing business and has offices - e.g., not Iran, but France, Germany, etc) the rest of us will find out, as will the twitterer. This is the minimum amount of accommodation that Twitter can make to a censoring government while still doing business in that country at all, and is less accommodation than they used to do, or anyone else (including Slashdot) does.

      So, yes, I am applauding Twitter for letting me know that they were ordered by the government to censor me, for reporting the act of censorship to Chilling Effects, and for routing around that censorship where that government has no authority.

  6. When did they break the internet? by mosb1000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How am I supposed to build a webpage, when I have no clue what hyperlinked content will actually be available to the viewer? This is ridiculous.

    1. Re:When did they break the internet? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

      I've tried rebooting my government but I'm afraid it won't have valid flash to re-run from and none of us can afford a blinking twelve style government.

      can we?

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  7. #ABANDONTWITTER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    #ABANDONTWITTER - can I be the first to say it? YES! The internet was a great tool to work around a lot of problems... what ever happened?

  8. Re:twitter sucks by larry+bagina · · Score: 4, Funny

    if you think fox news is bad, try cnn. Last time I watched, I thought twitter had bought their own network to do nothing but read tweets.

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  9. Re:Proxy. by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, it is very relevant. Besides the fact that not everyone knows about proxies(and they are still not trivial to use on mobile devices, which is what many protesters use), you also have the fact that this is very much a "silent" form of censorship. Unlike less "refined" methods of censorship(for instance the "great firewall of China" where whole sites are blocked), you may not even realize that something had been censored. I doubt there are a significant number of people so paranoid that they constantly connect via a proxy just to check their twitter, esp. since proxies can often introduce a non-trivial amount of latency.

  10. Re:tongue in cheek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Don't be a dick vencs, (short for "Venkat"? lame)

    Google's statement was about not doing it in real-time and against filtering before publishing - think about it. Twitter has also NOT said it will be filtering in real-time. There will obviously be some time period between when a tweet is published, deemed "offensive", and then censored in a particular country.

    Twitter has NOT agreed to do something that Google previously didn't agree to.

  11. natural right by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A lot of other countries do not hold the same western values of free speech as the rest of us. Why can't some people respect that?

    Because free speech is a natural right that all human beings are born with. It has absolutely nothing at all to do with "western values" (whatever the hell those are). The fact is that all human beings have the ability to engage in free speech; Governments or individuals may punish you for exercising that ability but the ability is still there. It's the same with the 2nd Amendment really -- you can regulate weapons all you want but people can still obtain and use them. Doubt this? Ask the guy who just got shanked in prison if the person who stabbed him didn't keep and bear arms.

    BTW, you need not limit yourself to the US Constitution. From the Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

    Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,
    Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

    Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

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    1. Re:natural right by causality · · Score: 2

      Because free speech is a natural right that all human beings are born with. It has absolutely nothing at all to do with "western values" (whatever the hell those are). The fact is that all human beings have the ability to engage in free speech

      I like what you say and in fact, I know the truth of it myself. But what you're doing there isn't going to work on that sort of person. What you're doing is speaking to them like they are reasonable adults. Maybe you believe they will rise to the occasion given the opportunity. What they believe is not reasonable. That's why it can't work, no matter how true and reasonable it is. The only way to change anything is to recognize you are dealing with a phony system and invalidate it.

      The fact is, the recognition and respect of natural rights like free speech plays out in a certain predictable way. It ends up being better for everyone and the only things it "costs you" are things you're better off without, such as unnecessary coercion. This is a fact that is true because you are human and have a pulse. The problem is, the people who sympathize with tyranny and hide its vices behind a veil of relativism think that's only my opinion.

      They couldn't imagine this set of initial conditions always producing the same result each time it's faithfully tried. They think that's my "Western values of individualism" even though real individuality is hard to find in most "Western" nations these days. The fact that all people are better off when treated with a certain respect that honors their rights and their dignity is more than an opinion.

      The one thing I never understood is this lack of awareness of interconnectedness. That's why I never could fully grasp how a man could want to create and live in a total totalitarian state with all the misery it creates so long as he is in charge of it. Living in such a state is bad enough, let alone the personal responsibility for helping to create it. You'd truly have to believe that each man is a perfectly isolated island for any such desire to make a shred of sense.

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  12. Re:Proxy. by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, it is very relevant. Besides the fact that not everyone knows about proxies(and they are still not trivial to use on mobile devices, which is what many protesters use), you also have the fact that this is very much a "silent" form of censorship.

    Someone has a major case of "I didn't read TFA." Relevant quote:

    If Twitter does remove a tweet, users in the country in which it was removed will see a grayed-out tweet in their timeline that says a message from an identified user has been withheld.

    This is the exact opposite of "silent" censorship as you seem to mean it. The users know something was blocked, and it sounds like they know who sent it.

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  13. Where did it go? by lazycam · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Liberty? Freedom? Justice?

    Where are you?

    Guess they were sacrificed in the name of global business interests. When I was a child my father taught me that America was a great country because censorship (in most forms) was completely absent from the the public mind. Hell, I remember reading about the days when leaflets were dropped by American bombers. We shoved our norm of "Freedom of Speech" in everyone faces. We laughed in the face of Communism and censorship. Those were the days...

    In this country, any man could stand on a street corner and say what is on his mind. The soapbox on the street is no different from 140 character blurbs shouted out online, but for whatever reason 'people' (i.e. companies and governments) seem to think otherwise. You give an inch, and they'll take a foot. You give a foot, and apparently you end up with companies giving up to foreign regimes like prom girls. Moreover, you have our own legislatures supporting legislation like SOPA and PIPA. I'm guessing the next laws that are passed will form some brand of domestic secret police that's out to stop online piracy, and oh yeah, track down individuals who make defaming comments that "hurt the feelings" of some regime or foreign leader with less than a primary school education. We'll get our act together once our extradition treaties start being used to ship expats away to their country of origin for their ideas and comments said here.

    At this rate the very idea of freedom of speech will be gone within our generation.

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    1. Re:Where did it go? by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This move by Twitter has been completely misunderstood. It is difficult to find a platform more committed to free speech than Twitter.

      What has changed is that what used to be a global censorship is now limited to the governments that force the material offline.

      In the past, if a country in which Twitter was doing business told them to pull a tweet, they'd have to pull it around the world. Now, it will a. only be pulled in the country that ordered the Tweet censored, b. the person who wrote it will find out about it, and c. the chilling effects clearing house will be notified.

      Every country will censor something. The US will censor state secrets, libel and slander, and threats. In France, denying either the Armenian or Jewish holocausts will be censored. In some countries, blasphemy is censored. In Germany, any discussion of the Nazis is censored. Before this policy by Twitter, all those things would result in a global ban.

      I really don't understand the outrage (I do understand the outrage at the governments which censor, but not at Twitter.) Is reading comprehension so universally bad?

  14. The AC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I routinely post AC, even though I have a /. account. Want to know why? So that that any of the insider knowledge I have limits it's damage to /. if I decide to shoot my mouth off about a previous employer or some other entity. It's much easier to just post as AC than it is to create an account that can be purged or censored all at once.

    This is the lesson for Twitter. Censoring individual tweets, treating them like spam, are the same thing. But The US is the only country in the world where free speech is enshrined by the Constitution. In every other country, you do not have free speech, and saying the wrong thing as a citizen of that country can send you to jail, even though you said it on a foreign website.

    In some cases it's morally safer to remove free speech when it puts the practioner of the speech into severe danger. The Westboro loonys may say some horrible things, but they do so at their own peril. It's one thing Americans tend to forget, is that their free speech ends at the US Border.

  15. Re:Proxy. by VoidEngineer · · Score: 2

    Agreed. Twitter is taking a strong stance against censorship today and providing a checks-and-balances approach to censorship. They are containing censorship, rather than allowing global blackouts. They're actively tracking censorship and then routing around it. There is wide spread misunderstanding here.