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Mars Rover Opportunity Turns 8
New submitter el borak writes
"Never mind all the talk about the revival of the American auto industry. What may be the greatest car the U.S. has ever built is currently a tidy 78 million miles (125m km) away from this world — resting on the edge of Endeavour crater in the southern hemisphere of Mars. It was on January 25, 2004 that the rover Opportunity bounced down on Mars for a mission designed to last a minimum of three months and a maximum of just a year or two."
Can you remember the last piece of technology hardware you had which outlived its warranty? For me, most of that was stuff made in the 80's.
Considerable accomplishment, designing, accumulating all the bits, assembling it, putting it in a rocket, flying it to Mars, landing it and having it muck about in a place without AAA Roadside Service. Well done.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
2) Are we really that proud that something we built lasted 8 years? that's like the breaking in period for a diesel Mercedes with far more (actual, not shipping) miles on it
Mars is a harsh mistress...
Except for freight cars, of course. "Car" is just a short version of "carriage."
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2) Are we really that proud that something we built lasted 8 years? that's like the breaking in period for a diesel Mercedes with far more (actual, not shipping) miles on it
Mars is a harsh mistress...
+1 Some details to back you up, ae1294: Temperature in summer days/nights range from: 20 C to -90 C
Let's see a Mercedes work in that type of environment (even at earth normal atmospheric pressures)
Also there's been NO MAINTENANCE done on the rover for 8 years.
Yes, we should be proud, very proud.
Those engineers have already been honored the American way, their jobs were outsourced.
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The impressive aspect is not that it has operated for 8 years, or that it is "beyond its warranty" (which is a misnomer - there was no warranty). What is impressive is that it has operated in a harsh environment for 8 years WITH ZERO MAINTENANCE! None. No one has touched the device in over 8 years now. And it has continued to operate, by radio, despite dust, vibration, heat, cold and radiation beyond what most Earth-bound devices ever experience.
Sure, my car has well over 100K miles on it and is over 12 years old. But it is only operating because I am performing routine maintenance on the car. If I had not maintained the car, it would have stopped working ages ago. The impressive aspect of the Mars rover is that it has survived without anyone needs to tighten a nut, change oil, replace a battery or wheel or any of the routine operations that we have to use for our normal machines to keep them operational.
A break-in period that consisted of being shipped slowly on a ship compared to a violent launch on the top of a rocket, as well as the re-entry into the atmosphere of a largely mysterious planet, and finally the potentially violent landing.
Then, once in use and with the odometer actually ticking up, the Mercedes gets an oil change every few thousand miles, or every few months; it's also refueled probably every other week, at least. And it's probably not in a hostile environment the entirety of its driven life, at least without serious repair assistance.
So, yes, we really should be proud of the Opportunity for lasting for eight years while 78 million miles from a repair shop.
Estimates were based on experience with the earlier Sojourner rover. Opportunity got lucky in that every now and then whirlwinds clean off the solar panels. This phenom was not known at the time, at least with solar panels.
And the wheels and joints have become creaky and are gradually failing. Work-arounds and adjustments to behavior have allowed it to continue. Thus, the equipment is failing, as expected. Luck and ingenuity in work-arounds should not normally be relied on for engineering duration estimates. Further, the grinder teeth have worn down and the rover is basically gumming rocks, or just brushing rocks instead of grinding.
Table-ized A.I.
The rover's aren't like the Deacon's Masterpiece, where every component reaches end-of-life at exactly the same time, the mission life was dictated not by component life but environmental factors. As I understand it, the relatively short life-rating was based largely on power availability. From all previous Mars landers, it was expected that the solar panels' output would drop to useless levels within a couple months of landing. And although they surely had some ideas on how to get the rovers to survive the Martian winter, they certainly weren't going to make that a mission requirement. The mission life wasn't a matter of the rated life of the motors, or the computers, or of the fatigue life of the chassis. You couldn't have really made them cheaper and still had a usable rover: a strut with a fatigue life of only a few months' driving probably may have snapped on impact, a 1-year motor would have been more or less the same size and weight, a 1-year computer would have been identical to the computer they've got.
And, really, why would you want to shave everything down to such a short life: it's not like you could have saved much money for the taxpayer - the component cost of the rovers is only maybe 1/100th the total cost of the mission. Most of the cost is in getting the rover to Mars in the first place, followed by having a full-time staff of dozens or hundreds designing, testing, and running the thing.
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This does appear to be a concerted astro-turfing campaign.
Not because it goes against the grain here at /. , but because these fucking morons are posting it in every single fucking story.
Most individuals would have given up by now, perhaps figured their point got across, but this troll just keeps on posting on and on, in every single fucking thread, every single one. Just like those fucking annoying people who post advertisements in the middle of threads.
If it has been two or three threads I could buy the idea that it was a concerned individual, but at this point no.
If it is indeed a concerned individual, and he is reading this, please stop, you are hurting your cause tremendously. You made your point quite some time ago, now you are being counterproductive.
oh, do you mean the railroad type?
and finally the potentially violent landing.
You know, I might actually pay for a Mercedes, if the delivery method involved the successful deployment of rockets, parachutes and giant airbags ... that would be cool.
5) Your an idiot. Your 'an idiot' wrote your post.
I'd like to make a helpful suggestion. When you are chiding someone for being wrong (and, he was), it's incumbent upon you to be right. That means grammar, too.
"Your" is possessive. "You're" is a contraction of "you are."
Which is strange, because during his interview he kept stressing to them that he was "just good enough" for the job.
I think it is great that the device was design to last max a year or two, and lasted 8, but on the flipside, this means they aren't really good engineers.
First of all it was engineered to guarantee to work for 3 months which was the allotted project objectives. Based on the budget and capability, this is what NASA had designed the rovers to do. Surviving for years is a bonus.
Just because they erred on the side of a good result doesn't mean the estimates are better. It means their methodology is HEAVILY padded, or if we assume +/-400~800%, they were just lucky that it didn't swing the other way. Given Phobos-Grunt, perhaps space engineering margin of error really is +/-400~800%. Although I suspect huge margins of error were thrown about in NASA>
Of course they padded their estimates and erred on the side of caution. 1) There is no way to retrieve or repair this rover. 2) NASA knew about the sticky dust from previous missions, but they didn't have omnipotence when it comes to the Mars climate. They didn't know that windstorms were capable of cleaning said dust. So you would have rather just wing it and not pad their estimates. So when the rover failed, they can tell NASA "oh well, try again in two years."
If that's the case, huge design buffers, that means they don't understand the underlying physics/materials engineer, and had to heavily overdesign, which means there is a far more efficient design out there.
I don't think you understand that there are different goals in engineering. One goal may be efficiency. The goal in this case was absolute reliability despite any unknowns the rovers may have experienced on Mars.
I'm not knocking NASA engineers, I'm just exploring how to shave down this margin so that they can make more efficient designs at lower cost that behave as expected.
Again efficiency is not as much a priority as reliability in these cases.
Building something that behaves as expected is far, far, FAR more important than building something that blows away expectations by orders of magnitude. The former is good engineering, the latter is waste, or worse, dumb luck!
The engineers never worked on the expectation that you ascribe. People outside of NASA have placed it on them. For them, the mission was successful when the rovers completed their objectives after 3 months. All these years afterwards are bonus.
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The main reason something like the rovers were vastly over engineered was specifically due to lack of knowledge and experience. Remember the original Viking landers did not move so NASA had little experience with mobile rovers. Mars Pathfinder had the Sojourner rover but it never moved very far from the base station. This was the first time that NASA was deploying a true rover. As more missions are deployed engineers are using this experience as NASA and the JPL would love to put more instruments on these rovers. But the bare minimum has to be that the rovers are guaranteed to last as long as the original objectives.
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