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Ask Slashdot: Does Europe Have Better Magazines Than the US?

An anonymous reader writes "Now that all the large chain book stores have disappeared from the landscape, I visited my local independent book store. In the basement I found a dazzling array of amazing magazines from the UK and Germany. Not only were the magazines impressive, they included CDs and DVDs of material. Nearly every subject was there: Knitting, Photography, Music, Linux, and Fitness. I snapped up a magazine called 'Computer Music,' which had a whole issue dedicated to making house music, including a disc of extra content. I subscribe to U.S. magazines like Wired, 2600, & Make, but their quality seems to ebb and flow from issue to issue and I don't ever recall a bonus disc. Are the UK magazines really better? If yes, why and which of them do you subscribe to? The other interesting thing about them is they weren't filled with tons of those annoying subscription cards. What is the best way to subscribe?"

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  1. EU Linux Mags Rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    EU Linux mags rock, especially the UK versions.

  2. UK mags rock by lyran74 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Twenty years ago I was amazed at the quality of the UK magazines, in my case, Amiga computing & gaming rags, that came with floppy disks chocked full of stuff--barely a sector free. The value was far greater than what's available this side of the pond, and nothing has changed.

    1. Re:UK mags rock by mapkinase · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's about variety of products in all aspects of consumption. US has less variety, because it's population is more oriented to economizing than to enjoying life. Of all the products Americans tend to choose the cheapest and the competition is heavily shifted to the lowering the price, instead of other qualities.

      Take myself. I have a decent salary, yet I shop for clothes exclusively at Walmart. Walmart has 3 types of shirts, 2 types of pants of which I would choose the cheapest if only they had different prices.

      At the same time Americans paradoxically have much more consumerism in their culture than their fellow first-worlders in, for the lack of better synonym, old world.

      So, in short, Americans buy more cheap crap. And that could explain the absence of variety.

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    2. Re:UK mags rock by hexagonc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think you've just proven the geographic diversity of the US. If you live in a small town or do your shopping at Wallmart then of course it's going to seem like Americans don't like variety. There's only so much variety you can fit in a single superstore that's trying to meet everyone's basic needs. Wallmart stocks a modest selection of electronics, toys, foods, clothes, home appliances and that's about it.

      However, you'll find all kinds of variety if you go to cities on the coasts or larger (perhaps, ironically) more international cities like Boston or New York. For example, I've seen little clothes stores and specialty shops from all over the world in these cities. I'm not even sure how some of these places stay in business because there's almost never anybody in them.

      So, in short, Americans buy more cheap crap. And that could explain the absence of variety.

      I would say that Apple's rising pc marketshare in the US says otherwise.

  3. Total speculation on why by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Europeans live on an infrastructure that supports pedestrian life. So, there's more likelihood for walking past magazine stands and making those impulse buys. The only time I ever see magazines is if I happen to pass by that aisle in the grocery store. And, some mags I admit I *would* buy on an impulse if I were exposed to them more often even though they're not topical enough for me to google for. For example, tonight was was in the grocery store and passed an aisle while waiting for my GF. I was thumbing through the guns and hunting mags and given a few more minutes I might have picked one up.

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    1. Re:Total speculation on why by MartinSGill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I suspect you are correct at last in part. The more pedestrian lifestyle also extends to commutes. If you don't drive everywhere in your car but instead use public transport your hands and mind are free and magazines are a great way to keep yourself occupied and learn stuff. Also includes, books, audio books, education, newspapers etc.

      I did most of an Open University course while commuting to work by train, and also read my monthly Linux Format subscription. When I changed jobs and had to drive I never had time to read the magazine any more (or indeed do courses) and cancelled the subscription.

    2. Re:Total speculation on why by julesh · · Score: 5, Informative

      >a couple of thousand different cheeses

      I hate to stop your wonderful support of my country, but cheeses wise we have about 3, and feck the rest from France :o)

      Whaddya mean?!

      We have Cheddar, Scottish cheddar, Scottish Highland cheddar, Scottish Island cheddar, Welsh cheddar, cheddar from other places ... we'll even claim Canadian cheddar as our own if you give us half a chance!

      Oh, and more seriously: Cheshire, Shropshire, Wensleydale, Stilton, Caerphilly, Y-fenwi, Yarg, and of course Brie (most of which is made in Somerset).

      If the French banned export of cheese tomorrow, I confess I'd miss Roquefort. Other than that, they can keep em! :)

    3. Re:Total speculation on why by hitmark · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sadly there is no data to back me up, but i wonder if mugging and other random crime is reduced by a functioning welfare system. This in that it removes the desperation for many people, leaving mostly addicts and the mentally ill as performers of such crimes.

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    4. Re:Total speculation on why by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Europeans live on an infrastructure that supports pedestrian life."

      And you don't even get mugged on it.

      Unfortunately that is changing. It may be that it was a lot rarer and no is more noticeable, but many of my UK friends complain about the rid win crime in cities such as London (especially pickpockets) which they attribute to the EU. Portuguese friends complain about muggings on the subway - a system that used to be so safe you could ride it anytime.

      They have also highways and bridges that don't crumble to dust, cars that people actually buy throughout the world, high-speed trains, a couple of thousand different cheeses, and also science fiction stuff like global health insurance and powerful unions that actually help people.

      Speaking as a European and American, yes Europe has much to offer; but it has its problems as well. Most of my friends complain about the cost of living, such as why does a Mac cost more in Pounds or Euros than in Dollars, taxes (just as we do in the US), health care systems while there is no fee at the point of service navigating them can be a mess, etc. They also find the US much more open to entrepreneurs and risk taking; and more of a meritocracy (if somewhat brutally so).

      OTOH, I find the pace of life more enjoyable in Europe and the idea that everyone takes August off a brilliant idea. As for transportation, I'd say the Germans build cars everyone wants to drive, the rail / metro systems are great, and I love walking around the major cities.

      In the end, as a relative of mine was fond of saying: "Not better, not worse, just different."

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  4. Future Publishing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    A lot of the UK special interest magazines are by Future Publishing. A company with roots back to 8-bit magazines like Zzap64 and Crash. I think they're partly responsible for raising the game in the UK market.

  5. Re:"All"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh god, it's like you're inside our heads!

    No really, that's so dead-on it's creepy.

  6. Re:Yes by Teun · · Score: 5, Funny

    You have to make a decision, either leave food and especially bathrooms out of the comparison or exclude the UK from Europe.

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  7. The Economist by pnot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you have any interest in politics or world affairs: The Economist. Most news these days is like candyfloss; by comparison, the Economist is like a huge, succulent steak. Don't be fooled by its thinness: it's the only magazine I've ever come across where I actually want to read 90% or more of the articles in each and every issue. There's just a lot less of the fluff, filler, and advertising which pads out many thicker magazines.

    1. Re:The Economist by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Informative

      +5 Insightful, Informative. I'll add that it is also quite funny, if you enjoy that dry, British, Monty Python style. The English level may be intimidating for non-native speakers at first, but if you want to learn top-notch English, here is your benchmark. After reading this, everything else seems written at a Dr. Suess level.

      Oh, and take a look at Viz as well, a satirical adult comic. Low humor for high brows.

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  8. c't by NoZart · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I once read somewhere "c't is a magazine worth learning german for".

    c't is a technology magazine somewhere between casual and pro, and deals with gadgets, computers and their peripherals, mobile phones and more. It reviews the quality of service of hardware vendors, ISPs and such, reports on wage situations in the IT-field and the occasional game. Being very broad in content, they still manage to go indepth (?) if questions arise via reader feedback. I have yet to find a publication in that field that matches the quality of research, writing and running this fine line of easy consumable content without being shallow.
    Also they used to have the most hilarious April fools articles.

    They have a sister magazine called IX, which focuses on linux and security. It's outside my competence field, so i can't say much about it, but it seems it's quite good, regarding to my linux-loving peers.

  9. Re:Yes by TheLink · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The USA has the best healthcare (and government?) money can buy.

    But if you don't have enough money...

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  10. Boobs in Newspaper Stands by bit+trollent · · Score: 5, Funny

    The best thing about European newspaper stands is that they often display magazines which feature topless women on the cover.

    It's really nice to be able to look to your right as you walk down the street and see multiple nice pairs of tits on display like tennis shoes.

    Of course that's got nothing on the red light district in Amsterdam, but I can see I'm getting off topic...

  11. Re:Yes by war4peace · · Score: 5, Informative

    My 15-bucks-a-month Internet subscription comes with a bonus from my ISP: a country-wide*, unlimited traffic, 3.6 Mbit/s 3G USB stick.
    For free.

    I used it more than once as back-up for my main connection and it rocks.
    So yeah, you're not so far-fetched.

    *Country-wide means wherever they provide coverage, for now limited to medium-sized and major cities but good enough for what I need.

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  12. Re:Troll Submission? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It actually meant that no child got ahead.

  13. Re:Subscription price? by JSombra · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It can be a bit cheaper if you subscribe but not much. Simple fact is unlike with the US the subscription model for magazines never really took off in the UK no matter how hard they tried. UK consumer did not like making the commitment when they could walk down the street and buy the magazine when it suited them

    Which could explain the difference in quality in the magazines between counties, in many ways magazines in the US are trying compete at a brand subscription level (it's where the bulk of their sales are done) , aka give you good enough "deal" to to entice you to subscribe and then do just enough to make sure you are not motivated enough to cancel the subscription (considerably easier that trying to motivate you to actively renew, hence why they all automatically renew) where as magazines in the UK have not only compete with their competitors mag right next to theirs every day but also convince the consumer it's worth buying....with every single issue

    Couple of bad issues (uninteresting cover/main articles) would cause barely a blip on US magazines revenues as majority of their customers are subscriptions where as for UK mag it could mean closure

  14. Re:Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As the other guy pointed out, you do realise that even then the French healthcare system is still cheaper than the US one?

    The problem with the US system is that it's built around an insurance system, where healthcare providers make the most money when they ensure people are signed up, but don't actually get to use the service. So they have to employ many thousands of people to deal with designing their schemes, marketing their schemes, determining the validity of claims, trying to get away with not paying claims and spending months, sometimes years arguing over the validity of claimsm and if they finally agree to pay a claim - actually dealing with the paperwork of paying that claim.

    The problem is the US system creates a whole additional layer of bureaucracy that are unnecessary in the European system, so makes the US system grossly inefficient.

    Of course, you're right that the French system may run a deficit that's paid up for in taxes, and the US system doesn't, but that's because Americans are paying much more per head directly to the healthcare firms on average than you pay indirectly to it through your taxes on average - in other words, their system is still drastically more expensive.

  15. Re:"All"? by Swampash · · Score: 5, Insightful

    yes, but the important point here is that those Euro-socialist school systems have produced societies where people can read. Thus there is a market for products that involve reading.