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ITC Throws Out B&N Antitrust Claims Against MS

N!NJA writes with an excerpt from a post by Florian Mueller: "Barnes & Noble's primary line of defense against Microsoft's allegations of patent infringement by the bookseller's Android-based devices has collapsed in its entirety. An Administrative Law Judge at the ITC today granted a Microsoft motion to dismiss, even ahead of the evidentiary trial that will start next Monday (February 6), Barnes & Noble's 'patent misuse' defense against Microsoft. [...] Prior to the ALJ, the ITC staff — or more precisely, the Office of Unfair Import Investigations (OUII), which participates in many investigations as a third party representing the public interest — already supported Microsoft's motion all the way. The OUII basically concluded that even if all of what Barnes & Noble said about Microsoft's use of patents against Android was accurate, it would fall far short of the legal requirements for a patent misuse defense."

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  1. glad they decided to lawyer up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Good thing Mr Gates decided to start investing in DC Lobbying infrastructure after the first round of anti-trust charges. Sure it costs millions of dollars a year, but think of all the abuses you can muster!!!

  2. Florian Mueller? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People still take this guy seriously?

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    1. Re:Florian Mueller? by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Informative

      They do, but at least they've (finally!) began putting in the disclosure that Mueller is a paid Microsoft shill.

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    2. Re:Florian Mueller? by stevew · · Score: 4, Informative

      Mueller is generally a very one-sided reporter. He is VERY one-sided when it comes to coverage of Android, i.e. hates it, and ALWAYs in favor of anything Apple.

      IANAL - and have no real idea what the real net effect is on the lawsuit. I'll wait till there is some coverage on Groklaw to look for a real explanation of what the implications are. Granted - Groklaw is heavily pro anything FOSS, consequently it serves as a decent counter-point to Mueller.

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    3. Re:Florian Mueller? by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He certainly has better qualifications than the average Slashdot armchair lawyer to be commenting on this topic.

      So does Lamar Smith and Jack Thompson.

    4. Re:Florian Mueller? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    5. Re:Florian Mueller? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Actually that is probably one of the most one sided summaries of the closing remark i have ever seen. Your blog post wasn't enough Florian?

    6. Re:Florian Mueller? by idontgno · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Litigation isn't like football. It is rarely suddenly over.

      Witness the neverliving, undying horror which is SCO v. Novell. Still, there are moments that you can persuasively say "Ok, it's over", even if the vanquished is still struggling. Like:

      20-Nov-2008: Final Judgment in favor of Novell, Inc., SCO Group and also against Novell, Inc., SCO Group. Case Closed. Magistrate Judge Brooke C. Wells no longer assigned to case. See Judgment for details. Signed by Judge Dale A. Kimball on 20-Nov-2008.

      This particular setback* for B&N is pretty harsh, and I (though not a lawyer) don't know of any way to undo the damage.

      Mueller has a tendency to go all "end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it" in his pronouncements, but the (accurate) retelling of this news is still interesting and useful (once you dig out the mere facts).

      It would have been nice if Groklaw could have covered this development in and of itself, rather than as a pointless rebuttal to Mueller. Really, do we have to concede initiative to this guy? Can't we just report the facts and ignore him?

      *Ok, maybe I play World of Warcraft too much, but I think I just read that in the voice of Kael'thas. "Merely a setback", indeed.

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  3. Key passage: by forkfail · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The OUII basically concluded that even if all of what Barnes & Noble said about Microsoft's use of patents against Android was accurate, it would fall far short of the legal requirements for a patent misuse defense. For example, Barnes & Noble claimed that Microsoft asked for excessively high patent license fees, but the OUII quoted passages from U.S. law (statutory as well as case law) that clearly said that patent law doesn't require a patent holder to grant a license on any terms.

    So, basically, it was game over before it got started.

    It's not about creation anymore.

    It's all about owning segments of possible creation.

    And those have been mostly divvied up, given the ridiculously broad areas of thought and ideas that we allow to be patented.

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    1. Re:Key passage: by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "To be fair though, all of this is the result of google taking shortcuts in developing android instead of building their own product. "

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the current situation:

      1. Microsoft refused to tell anyone what patents they claimed Android was infringing?
      2. When B&N finally got a list of the patents, they appeared to be trivial with plenty of prior art?

    2. Re:Key passage: by airfoobar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To be fair though, all of this is the result of google taking shortcuts in developing android instead of building their own product. No wonder they were able to create an os so quickly, then turn around and sell it for free.

      You've got to be kidding. That sort of thinking not only undermines Google's effort of bringing a good product to market and making it so successful, it also undermines the very foundations of the OSS ideology.

      The problem here isn't on Google's part, it's on the parts of the patent system (for allowing patents of highly questionable quality to be used in this way) and Microsoft (for being anti-competitive asshats as usual).

    3. Re:Key passage: by Grave · · Score: 2

      The qualification here is having a bit of common sense. The system is broken. Let's not dilute that reality by keeping our thinking so inside the box that we can't see the fundamental failure of the patent system to promote innovation in the modern era.

    4. Re:Key passage: by zeroshade · · Score: 2

      used it to justify taking material from microsoft, apple, and oracle

      Since we're just discussing microsoft here, let's take a look at the patents that Microsoft is using:

      • Placing a loading status icon in the content area of a browser
      • Browser recognizes background images and loads the text first so it loads faster
      • Putting controls into the OS for all applications to use rather than tabbed controls on an application by application basis
      • Using a handle to change the size of text for a selection region
      • Storing and displaying non-modifiable annotations to text
        • Please tell me how those aren't common sense things that are trivial to be patented. You can't because any engineer worth his salt will see the problem that needs to be solved and find the obvious solution, which is each of these. Not to mention the prior art.

  4. The patents in question (according to Microsoft) by chrb · · Score: 5, Insightful
    MS says:

    The Microsoft-created features protected by the patents infringed by the Nook and Nook Color tablet are core to the user experience. For example, the patents we asserted today protect innovations that:
    * Give people easy ways to navigate through information provided by their device apps via a separate control window with tabs;
    * Enable display of a webpage’s content before the background image is received, allowing users to interact with the page faster;
    * Allow apps to superimpose download status on top of the downloading content;
    * Permit users to easily select text in a document and adjust that selection; and
    * Provide users the ability to annotate text without changing the underlying document.

    Microsoft obviously thinks this is pretty advanced stuff. Adjust a text selection? Annotate a document? Tabbed controls? Woah. No wonder they want $30 per device (more than the cost of licensing WP7!).

  5. Microsoft isn't a corporation.... by forkfail · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... and it's not a tax.

    Rather, Microsoft is a medieval style guild, and they collect dues from any who would practice their trade. If you don't pay, they come and burn down our house.

    And it goes way, way deeper than any "shortcuts". To put it another way, if we were talking about mechanical and structural engineering, not only would MS hold the rights to be the sole bridge builders in the land, but the very concept of a device or structure to facilitate the crossing of a body of water would be theirs. They'd own the rights to cables, supports, bolts; not only to steel but to alloys in general.

    With our technology, there is nothing that doesn't stand on the shoulders of those who have gone before at this point. We should still be in a rapid development cycle, spinning upward. Instead, we squabble over who gets to build anything at all.

    And eventually, we're going to absolutely destroy American technological innovation. First, by making it impossible for most everyone but the established players to build anything at all. And by doing so, we will lay the groundwork for the first other nation to surpass us to absolutely ensure that we are subject to the very idiotic laws that we are using to choke our own innovation.

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  6. Death Warrent for US innovation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fact is that software systems other than Microsoft's run most devices available. BusyBox rules the roost, Android has a huge portable devices market and the rest of the know universe belongs to Apple with a smattering of odd ball stuff like Symbian. The United States patent office has been subverted by companies like Microsoft and the rest of the world is now becoming the source for real product innovation.
    Plain and simple the whole concept of an economy based more on IP than real products has backfired. The statements coming out of Washington about how IP has to be protected at all cost and how American "innovations" are more valuable than real products has led to this sad state of affairs.
    The rest of the world could care less, America is being miss lead by corporate junkies like Steve Ballmer and the economy is going to go down the tank because of corporations like Microsoft and the failure and shameful decline of real industrial innovation, education and leadership within the United States.

  7. Re:The patents in question (according to Microsoft by phantomfive · · Score: 2

    Microsoft obviously thinks this is pretty advanced stuff. Adjust a text selection? Annotate a document? Tabbed controls? Woah. No wonder they want $30 per device (more than the cost of licensing WP7!).

    I really wish 'obvious' were a common defense in patent fights, because so many patents ARE obvious.

    But as far as I know, no patent case has ever been one because the patent was obvious. One-click-purchasing is still patented by Amazon, even after a LOT of fighting.

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  8. Abuse is irrelevant by PortHaven · · Score: 2

    Resistance is irrelevant. You will be copyrighted. Public domain is irrelevant. COPYRIGHT COPYRIGHT COPYRIGHT

    What happens when you cross the Borg with the Dalaks. You get "patent trolls".

  9. Re:Another Reason to Use GPL Software vs Android by speedplane · · Score: 3, Informative

    GPL does nothing to stop third-parties from asserting patents. The outcome would not have changed if Google GPLed android.

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  10. Lawyers vs Shills by inode_buddha · · Score: 4, Informative

    And here's what an actual freakin IP attorney thinks. I remember when Mueller got backed into a corner on that site a while back - he was *way* out of his depth even with amateurs.

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  11. As usual, wait 'til Groklaw weighs in by sgtrock · · Score: 2

    before making any assumptions:

    I'm seeing a couple of articles about an initial determination by the ITC against Barnes & Noble on its patent misuse defense, and there's quite a lot of spin on the ball, thanks to the usual suspects. They are reading a lot into a title of a sealed document. I see many misstatements.

    So I'll explain a little about the process, so you can understand it. For one thing, the title of the sealed ITC initial determination is called an *initial* determination for a reason. It means it isn't final. The final one comes later. Initial determinations can be reviewed by the full ITC if the defendant petitions for review and even one Commissioner says yes.

    Litigation isn't like football. It is rarely suddenly over.

    Most importantly, the materials and depositions Barnes & Noble is seeking in discovery from Nokia and MOSAID have not yet arrived, although the ITC did grant Barnes & Noble's motion to ask Finland and Canada to provide them, and that's still ongoing, so there is likely more to go, even at the ITC. So with those materials not yet in hand, Microsoft's statement today that this means the defense is meritless is... well... to put it kindly premature. I mean, if a determination is made without the complete record being available, what does it mean?

    Lots more here.

  12. Re:The patents in question (according to Microsoft by chrb · · Score: 2

    It was in the Barnes and Noble court filing, they said MS wanted more money per device for "Linux patent protection" than they charge to license WP7. I think the exact amounts got redacted in the court filings though.

  13. Re:The patents in question (according to Microsoft by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 2

    They do make more money licensing Android patents than they do from WP7 licenses. It's right there in their corporate reports.

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