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DC Comics Announces "Before Watchmen"

eldavojohn writes "Currently DC Comics' site has a banner announcing a new series called "Before Watchmen." Unfortunately the blog pages for this new series appear to be experiencing high traffic and are unreachable. But a number of sites are breaking down these new endeavors that will be giving backstories to the seven characters and who will be creating each of those series. There's also speculation ranging from how much this must upset Alan Moore (egg frying on his forehead seems to be the popular guess) to the theory that this is simply for more movie material. There's an abundance of information from interviews released today."

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  1. Before. by grub · · Score: 4, Funny


    I heard rumour that before Big Blue Wang there was Massive Pink Vag. Unfortunately the site is down and this can't be confirmed.

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  2. Finally it's here by binarylarry · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't wait to have Alan Moore sign my copy of Watchman Babies: V for Vacation!

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    1. Re:Finally it's here by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

      Be sure to wear your Saturday Morning Watchmen T-shirt, to show your loyalty to, and understanding of, his artistic vision. It'll make him more likely to cooperate.

    2. Re:Finally it's here by squidflakes · · Score: 2

      Oooh, I wonder if he'll sign my print-out of Uncle Ghastly's picture of Alan Moore angrily fucking Alan Moore.

      LINK NSFW!

      http://www.ghastlycomic.com/d/20080809.html

  3. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yea, I mean, what the fuck? This site is supposed to be "News for Nerds". Has anyone ever heard of a nerd who likes comic books? That's just ridiculous, everyone knows only jocks and hipsters read comic books.....

  4. Greed by sjpadbury · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Meanwhile, DC continues to show there is no move too desperate that they won't risk alienating their fans in the quest for the dollar.

    (Note: Not multiple dollars, they'll do it for just 1....)

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    1. Re:Greed by getto+man+d · · Score: 2

      b-b-but think of all the opportunities (revenue) for the ensuing movies! I'm sure they'll be amazing too! The big studios sure know what fans want.

    2. Re:Greed by localman57 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Meanwhile, DC continues to show there is no move too desperate that they won't risk alienating their fans in the quest for the dollar.

      (Note: Not multiple dollars, they'll do it for just 1....)

      What dollars? Wasn't the original Watchmen a huge financial bust? Along the lines of the studio guys saying they'd never do an R-Rated Comic movie again?

    3. Re:Greed by jbolden · · Score: 2

      The movie lost money, mainly because special effects are expensive and R cuts the audience. The comic was a huge money maker.

    4. Re:Greed by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I can't believe DC or Marvel would compromise artistic integrity for a buck.

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    5. Re:Greed by Fned · · Score: 3, Informative

      What dollars? Wasn't the original Watchmen a huge financial bust?

      What are you talking about? it did quite well, especially for a high-priced format with no established characters.

    6. Re:Greed by alexander_686 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Meanwhile, DC continues to show there is no move too desperate that they won't risk alienating their fans in the quest for the dollar.

      Actually, DC & Moore’s original plan was to write a prequel – so it’s not like it a total violation of Moore’s idea. (That being said, what’s the chance that the writer will be able to match Moore’s original script?)

    7. Re:Greed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      According to typical Hollywood accounting practices no movie has ever made money

    8. Re:Greed by spidercoz · · Score: 2

      Seriously, what's next? Kill off their big characters and then bring them back a year later?

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    9. Re:Greed by jbolden · · Score: 2

      If you didn't like the movie you wouldn't have liked the comic. The movie was fun for fans of the comics and the sorts of people who would have liked the comic a generation later. That ain't nearly enough to make a major blockbuster special effects movie a financial success.

    10. Re:Greed by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There's a simple lesson here: Never treat something as an "investment" when the value is based entirely on artificial scarcity when the organization controlling the scarcity has no financial incentive to maintain the scarcity!

      Money or stocks can be good investments because even though governments or corporations can issue new money/stock, it is detrimental to their own finances to do so without limit because they use that money and stock. So they have to balance reducing the scarcity with the resulting loss of value.

      Marvel doesn't buy things with copies of Amazing Spiderman #1, the value of that comic has no direct effect on the company, so why would anyone assume they'd never do anything to tank its value?

      Because publishers love secondary markets where they themselves don't see any of the profit, am I right?

      I saw the same thing in Magic: The Gathering. Someone would pay hundreds of dollars for a rare first-print power card, and would rationalize it as an investment. Ha! Then -- to the surprise of only a few morons -- WotC reprinted most of these cards and made the originals next to worthless.

      So, yeah, thinking of them as a long-term investment was kinda silly to begin with. And as the ACs pointed out, this has nothing to do with "artistic integrity" (it's about their money-grubbing vs yours), and is in fact better for the community at large because they get to enjoy the thing that before only a few did.

      So yeah, thanks comic companies for spreading enjoyment and teaching people valuable economic lessons!

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    11. Re:Greed by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2

      Especially when you say "power", that refers to a very small pool of cards (nine)Especially when you say "power", that refers to a very small pool of cards (nine)

      Oh! Yeah, I fucked that up, I'd used that term because it sounded right while totally forgetting it referred specifically to the Moxes, Black Lotus, and whatever the fuck the other ones were. It's been a long time.

      They may not be the best form of money investment out there, but the anecdote you use to support your claim is spun out of whole cloth.

      Now that's just not fair. If you're that in tune with the history of Magic then you know that something very much like what I said did happen, ergo not "whole cloth". Chronicles I think was the name of the first expansion that really did it and dropped the bottom out of the price for tons of cards from the early named expansions (Legends, Antiquities, Arabian Knights, can't remember if there were others). I personally knew people who had "invested" large amounts of money in these cards and found the values of their collections slashed overnight.

      By the way this was in the first half of the 90s. If you'd said "Wizards of the Coast has a list on their website" most people would have just stared at you. Frankly I'm guessing that this list was something they created later, after having already shown that they will reprint old cards and thus making people scared. Certainly no one at the comic store gaming sessions were aware of such a list as there were plenty of arguments over whether WotC would ever reprint the Moxes. If this list had been printed in Scrye at any point one of them would have seen it and brought it up.

      In any event, to the extent that you restrict your purchases to cards on the list and believe WotC really will never violate their promise, then those cards are a much better investment than any other Magic card or comic books or anything else where there is no reason to expect artificial scarcity to continue.

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  5. [reading from journal] by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Rorschach's Journal. October First, 2013: Intellectual property carcass in alley this morning, tire tread on burst stomach. This company is milking me. I have seen its true face. The sequels are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scrape bottom, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their exploitation and mediocrity will foam up about their waists and all the producers and hacks will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."

    1. Re:[reading from journal] by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      Probably pretty similar. There was just no pleasing that guy. If he couldn't turn his frown upside down at the prospect of not nuclear war, I doubt that a franchise cash-in not sucking would even register.

  6. Re:And... by jmac_the_man · · Score: 4, Funny

    I came to this movie because it was Watchmen, not because I wanted to, you know, watch men.

  7. This hasn't already been done? by Bradmont · · Score: 2
  8. Watchmen 2: Revenge of Bubastis by lrnj · · Score: 3, Funny

    A skeleton appears in a flock of penguins, and meows for 7 minutes.

    A circulatory system stalks a walrus.

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    1. Re:Watchmen 2: Revenge of Bubastis by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Funny

      Shaka, when the walls fell

  9. I can't hate it until I actually read it. by Lashat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Having collected the original 12 issues of Watchmen in my youth I certainly loved it. It expanded my own ability to digest a story with moral and societal issues in the forefront and still be entertained.

    No one can write better than Moore when he is on his game.

    I have mad respect for Alan Moore's genius and for the story he created with Dave Gibbons in the Watchmen, but have you seen him lately? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Moore Looks like Rasputin's cousin.

    That said,

    Please forgive us o' Lord of the Comic Book medium. Some of us want to enjoy the characters you have brought into our imaginations further than you would like us too. We *know* you could have done better than these other talented writers and aritsts. We will treat these pre-quels and the movie and all other non-Moore Watchmen writings as apocrypha, outside of the true Watchmen canon.
    'nuff said

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    1. Re:I can't hate it until I actually read it. by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      No doubt. Mad hermits always have useful dialog. They are just so hard to find.

      I think every character Alan Moore writes is autobiographical, in a Walter Mitty-esque way.

      and if I were Superman when Superman gets old I'll be like this ...

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  10. Twelve seconds, into my past, I open the comic. by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 4, Funny

    The comic lies in the trash; falls from my fingers, is in my hand.

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  11. Re:Go ahead, DC... by ackthpt · · Score: 2

    as if the first movie didn't suck enough. If you haven't read the comics, you should. The movie does the comic books no justice at all.

    Bad movies don't matter. They'll just reboot and try again in a few years. The public apparently doesn't notice.

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  12. The problem is copyright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If Superman, Batman and to a lesser degree Marvel properties like Spider-Man were nearing the end of their copyright existence, rather than being in a sort of perpetual copyright, they'd be could let their characters age, and possibly even die, as they near the end of their exclusivity. They'd also be more likely to develop new flagship characters to take their place. But the current copyright regime allows the characters to just continue existing, as they are, without any new creativity.

  13. Mayfair Games already did this with DC Heroes RPG by JoshDM · · Score: 3, Informative

    Back in the 80's, Mayfair Games licensed the DC characters to create the DC Heroes RPG. There were three Watchmen products made (the direct contents of which I am paraphrasing and cannot recall exactly offhand): Watchmen Sourcebook, Who Watches the Watchmen, and Taking out the Trash. Here is an interview with the authors.

  14. Re:Fuck prequels by ArsonSmith · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'd really like a back story on why you say this.

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  15. Why oh why ? by bigbangnet · · Score: 2

    I do love watchmen, dont get me wrong here. it's a good story and all. But for the love of [enter god name here], can we just go forward with a story...not backwards. I hate this. Seriously, I want to know what happens next or just give me something about the story that is not in their passed. It seems to be the thing to do now a days. Do a movie and then go in the past.

  16. Moore expected the rights back long ago by Dr.+Jest · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To everyone who sees nothing wrong with this, please remember the DC was supposed to return the rights to Watchmen back to Moore when the collection went out of print. Moore was the victim of the story's popularity, though, as it was one of the first graphic novels to sell enough to remain in print for a long time. I imaging Warner and DC have no intention of allowing it to be out of print at all now, following the letter of the contact but violating the spirit of the agreement.

  17. Re:And... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's what I was thinking. It just goes to show just how hyper-prudish North America is. It was depicted in an entirely non-sexual way, but still everyone screams bloody murder that this is absolutely unacceptable. On the other hand, depictions of a dog with its head axed open, or someone exploding into a fine mist, or hell... even the idea of millions of people murdered by a blast of energy... all of this is fine. But a penis. OH HOLY MOTHER OF GOD, WE'RE ALL GOING TO HELL FOR SEEING IT! But seeing cold-blooded murder? Eh, whatever, it's a Tuesday.

    It's just as bad as that girl during the oscars a few years ago (I think it was Mariah Carey?) where their breast was every so slightly exposed for like... 1/4 of a second. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF COMPLAINTS. I mean sweet christ, what the hell is wrong with this situation?!? The perfectly natural human body (well, in Watchmen it was blue, but you get the idea) is reviled, and considered disgusting to show, but murder, dismemberment, and any and all forms of violence are perfectly fine?

    Holy fuck, society, you have no idea just how fucked up you are. Keep walking down this path, and we might as well be Iran. It makes me very sad to be alive in these times, and is one of the many reasons why I actively hate society here as a whole. If only countries that didn't have these fucked up priorities didn't have their own severe problems.

    I've heard Iceland isn't that bad...

  18. More Flashbacks? by Culture20 · · Score: 2

    More than half of Watchmen is flashbacks. How are they going to add more material for a prequel without diluting the original?

  19. Re:Milking material in their death throes? by Culture20 · · Score: 2

    and whatever Marvel has come up with when they are not busy republishing old material as e-comics or making half-assed movies

    Actually, Marvel's been pretty good lately what with their New Avengers / House of M / Civil War / Secret Invasion / Dark Reign / Siege stories. Notable exceptions being the "death" of Captain America and Spiderman betraying his morals to make a deal with Mephisto (Spiderman is the moral compass of the Marvel Universe).

  20. Re:And... by FilthCatcher · · Score: 2

    Damn.
    Took years of therapy to deliberately repress memories of that Smurf gang bang.

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  21. Re:Who cares? by sound+vision · · Score: 2

    TBH I don't know of any nerds under 35 who are particularly interested in comic books (some of them are interested in the spinoffs like movies and games, though.) I think comic books had their heyday in the 50s-80s, and are on the way out. Superhero comics anyway. Manga seems to be taking up some of the superhero-comic readership.