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Oklahoma Politician Wants To Tax Violent Video Games

dotarray writes "According to an Oklahoma politician, video games help cause many problems affecting the youth of today, but they can also help solve those same problems. Representative William Fourkiller, a Democrat, has proposed a 1% tax on every video game sold which has a Teen, Mature or Adults Only rating. He explains that half of the money would go towards helping to get kids playing outside, while the other half would be placed into a bullying prevention fund."

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  1. Sounds completely logical by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sure throwing money at something will both convince kids to play outside and prevent bullying. Gee, where can I contribute to the "bullying prevention fund?"

    "For the children" is one of the basest forms of emotional appeal. The emotional satisfaction justifies it in many people's minds, and to argue against it makes one vulnerable to accusations of not caring about kids.

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    1. Re:Sounds completely logical by trongey · · Score: 5, Funny

      You misunderstood the article. The 1% will be used to pay bodyguards who will drag the kids outside then pound the crap out of anybody who tries to bully them.

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    2. Re:Sounds completely logical by Hentes · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bullying is not something that can be solved by just money. Give the schools/teachers enough rights to be able to deal with the problematic children, expect them to do so and hold them responsible when they don't.

    3. Re:Sounds completely logical by tompaulco · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Bullying is not something that can be solved by just money. Give the schools/teachers enough rights to be able to deal with the problematic children, expect them to do so and hold them responsible when they don't.
      Well, before we do that, we need to decide that we are not going to support the current bullying system.
      I can think of dozens of different people who have all been punished for eventually standing up for themselves after getting bullied for months. Myself included. I had a bully sitting behind me in 9th grade who would hurl insults at me all the time, thump me in the back of the head, punch me from behind, and generally make me miserable all year long. Finally one day toward the end of the year, after he had done something again I turned around and told him to lay off. He hit me in the eye with a pencil. That was the last straw. I jumped out of my seat and started hitting him. He probably was a foot taller than me and outweighed me by half, but I didn't concern myself with that. The teacher came running it and broke us up. I was sent to the principal's office, my mother was called. She told them how I had been coming home with stories every day about how this kid was picking on me and that she was glad I finally stood up for myself. They gave me swats and sent me back to class where I had to put up with his crap, still sitting right behind me, for the rest of the year.
      But I learned a valuable lesson. The authority is on the side of the bullies, so just let them walk all over you, or you will be punished.

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    4. Re:Sounds completely logical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      But I learned a valuable lesson. The authority is on the side of the bullies, so just let them walk all over you, or you will be punished.

      Actually, you learned the lesson most kids (including myself long ago) learn about the school system: the authorities don't give a crap what goes on so long as they don't have to do anything about it.

      I had a situation with much the same problem as you - I was "in a fight" and didn't even throw a punch, just backed against a wall and tried to keep my face covered. The result was that we both got the mandatory 3-day inschool suspension for "fighting." The difference? The kid who bullied me spent more time in suspension than he did in class. He regularly targeted the kids with the best grades, because he knew being in class actually mattered to us. I got left out of the advanced honors science class the next year, because the asshole teacher who ran it had a "no kid allowed in my advanced class who has a fighting demerit on their record" policy.

      I learned the hard way too what schools really are, and any respect I have for teachers (or worse, school administrators, and even worse, the sort of right wing retards who came up with "zero tolerance and mandatory punishment" policies) has been tempered by that experience ever since.

    5. Re:Sounds completely logical by Christian+Henry · · Score: 5, Funny

      I would like to propose a tax - 10% of any politician's annual income everytime they attempt to speak with their ass. As Rep. Fourkiller is apparently doing.

      Unfortunately, that won't work. They don't attempt to speak with their asses; it just happens naturally. :-)

  2. Another tax on top of that by future+assassin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tax all kids in school at 1% of their lunch money and use that money to fight bullying in schools. Can we also get a 1% tax on violent blockbusters and tv shows where half off that goes to the movie studios and half goes to violence prevention?

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  3. New tax by durrr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I suggest a conditional tax.
    1% of total politician networth every time they say something stupid. The deficit would turn to a surplus in a week, especially now during campaign season.

  4. M and AO? by LordNimon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does he not realize that M and AO games are not supposed to be played by children in the first place?

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  5. Great idea! by Aladrin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So when those kids go outside and get bullied, there will be a support program for them. -sigh-

    The best way to teach out kids that bullying is bad is to stop doing it ourselves, and to teach them it's not okay to pick on others for any reason. Mine taught me, "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all." For me, it stuck. For others, it apparently didn't, or they weren't taught it. Am I perfect at it? No. But I try.

    But a government program to teach it? No way. It'll never work. It has to be something every citizen wants, not something that the government tries to force us into. Actually wants, not just says they want.

    I'm not against providing nice, safe outdoor play areas for kids. Hopefully away from my apartment windows and doors. I would have loved to have it as a kid, and I'd love to have them away from my apartment now. But attacking an industry to do so is not the way to go about it.

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  6. The power to tax is the power to destroy. by russotto · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If video game content is protected by the First Amendment (and current law indicates it is), then a 1% tax based on contents is just as impermissible as a 10000% tax or a straight-up ban.

  7. Nearly 80 dead in Egypt... by MrLizard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...due to a sporting event.

    In the United States, sporting events are often associated with violent riots, as well, though with lower death tolls. Europe is well known for its soccer hooligans.

    Ever hear of 80 people being killed following a LAN event? Any riots at GenCon or E3?

    Didn't think so.

    If this guy was sincere, he'd be proposing a 1% tax on sports equipment, sales of licensed sports franchise clothing, etc, and using the money to fund children's hospitals which treat the many crippling (and sometimes fatal) injuries that occur from childhood sports. (Check out the average number of high school students killed in school shootings each year, and the average number of high school students killed in school sports.)

    Of course, he's not sincere. "Sincerity" is an alien concept to such as he. He's a vile, contemptible, parasitic piece of verminous scum who exploits fear and ignorance in order to gain power. He is a creature without any personal worth, a loathsome leech who feeds off the misery and pain of others, and grows fat and happy on their suffering. Or, in other words, a politician. Even among that repugnant crew of amoral reprobates, though, people like Fourkiller represent the scrapings of the bottom of a barrel that is, itself, filled with the scrapings from the bottom of the barrel.

  8. Re:Oklahoma by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Democrats are equivalent to Republicans everywhere, and have been for a long time now.

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  9. Re:Does sales tax likewise violate the First? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the question would be whether the tax targets the material for the speech contained or if it targets it as a good. So all games, books, and movies are taxed, but would you, say, only tax movies dealing with unpopular opinions? Then it can be construed as violating the first amendment as this clearly does.

  10. Re:Does sales tax likewise violate the First? by Tmann72 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sales tax is applied uniformly across all products sold whereas this is a tax on a specific product. Taxing any item sold regardless of the item doesn't have a chilling effect on consumers buying the product, but a targeted tax on the sales of a specific item is designed with that exact purpose in mind. Think cigarette taxes as an example.

  11. Re:Does sales tax likewise violate the First? by BitterOak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does a state sales tax on books likewise violate the First Amendment as applied to the several states by the Fourteenth? If so, then how do so many states get away with requiring Barnes & Noble to collect and remit sales tax? If not, then what's the difference between what this state representative proposes and a sales tax?

    The difference is, this would be a content-based tax on something that has been found to be protected speech. A uniform sales tax on all goods is not a violation of the First Amendment, but if books supporting one particular political party or putting forth one particular opinion were taxed at a different rate than books putting forward the opposite position, then the tax would almost certainly run afoul of the First Amendment. This is a tax that applies only to video games, not other forms of expression, and furthermore applies only to those games with a teen or mature rating, which is closely related to the content of those games.

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