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Next-Gen Spacesuits

ambermichelle writes "Outer space is a hostile environment for humans, characterized by an airless vacuum, thermal extremes, ionizing radiation and speeding micro meteoroids. Less well-known are the dangers posed by long-term exposure to microgravity or zero-g conditions, which over time severely saps the strength of astronauts' muscles and bones. Several researchers are working to develop new spacesuit designs that could help counteract these threats as well as avoid some of the familiar drawbacks of current spacesuit models such as bulk, weight and rigidity."

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  1. Incentives for Space Travel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When astronauts start looking like Samus Aran, with or without the power armor, I expect interest in space travel will increase dramatically.

    1. Re:Incentives for Space Travel by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't worry.

      No one is ever going into space again.

      There's really nothing there, anyways. Just the fantasies of exploration, by creatures unable to even understand themselves.

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      "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
      Never been known to fail..."
    2. Re:Incentives for Space Travel by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Really. What has mankind to offer the universe, but its appetites and its quest for novelty? Get your act together back home.

      Everything out there is different, except you. Your essential problems are portable.

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    3. Re:Incentives for Space Travel by zill · · Score: 3, Informative

      Insightful? I hope you realize that Earth's orbit will be engulfed by the Sun in a few billion years. Not leaving the planet = extinction.

    4. Re:Incentives for Space Travel by Khyber · · Score: 2

      "Because it's not in our nature to do so."

      Take another look at your average voter and say that again with a straight face.

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    5. Re:Incentives for Space Travel by zill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      IMHO it's quite certain that mankind will fail. But that doesn't mean we should just give up and stop trying right now.

    6. Re:Incentives for Space Travel by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 2

      If a group of humans embraces death they are usually called a sekt and don't gather many followers

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      Well, I might have a way, but it only works on a semi spherical planet in a vacuum.
  2. they'll come in handy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...when we resume manned space exploration. and develop a manned space vehicle to take us there again.

    1. Re:they'll come in handy... by rossdee · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Does the new suit recycle urine into drinking water,"

      Yeah, that could be very useful for other environments than space, such as when global warming turns the earth into a desert.

      "Urine and feces are processed in the thigh pads" - Leit Kynes

    2. Re:they'll come in handy... by EdIII · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Urine and feces are processed in the thigh pads" - Leit Kynes

      Yeah.... I bought the whole urine deal, but not the feces processing. I have pinched some loafs that I seriously doubt any technology, that is wearable, could process into anything useful.

      How the fuck can the suit process corn? Corn chips just magically come out of a pocket?

    3. Re:they'll come in handy... by Fned · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's a lot easier if all you ever eat is the stuff that comes out of the thigh pads.

    4. Re:they'll come in handy... by pnot · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Urine and feces are processed in the thigh pads" - Leit Kynes

      Yeah.... I bought the whole urine deal, but not the feces processing. I have pinched some loafs that I seriously doubt any technology, that is wearable, could process into anything useful.

      How the fuck can the suit process corn? Corn chips just magically come out of a pocket?

      I always assumed that the "processing" just extracted water, leaving some kind of dessicated shit powder that gets dumped. Far more plausible than reprocessing shit into food, though scarcely comfortable or fragrant. In Dune the smell of a Fremen sietch is described as an assault on the nostrils... I think we can guess why.

  3. frosty piss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    was contained in the bladder in one boot in the Apollo pressure-suit designs. I wonder what they'll do for these elastic suits.

    1. Re:frosty piss by Iskender · · Score: 2

      Come on moderators, reward the man for managing an on-topic post on with that subject!

      I'm wondering what they'll do too!

  4. Jewelry part of the ensemble? by schwit1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm sure her ear rings will be permitted.

  5. Re:Who the heck for? by ModernGeek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The next generation vehicles are almost ready, and we have a lot of new things in launch vehicles happening. A lot of the old Space Shuttle facilities are being refitted, and a lot of work couldn't be done until we were done using these resources on the shuttle. The time to develop a suit isn't after the vehicle is ready and it's time to start planning missions. It's good that we are pushing the next generation of suits forward. The United States is still #1 in space technology, and are the only ones working on anything really groundbreaking.

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  6. Not the answer by NemoinSpace · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm not sure what percentage of the time the crew would need to wear these suits to prevent atrophy. I am sure it will be more than they are willing to put up with.
    We are going to have to come up with solutions on a much grander scale to change the environment, not adapt to it. It's how we humans have taken over the planet and how we will take over space. But we won't do it till we spend a lot more time on earth doing the grunt work (engineering and thinking) instead of spending billions on half baked manned missions to nowhere worthwhile.

    1. Re:Not the answer by loufoque · · Score: 2

      Use centrifugal force at the space station level to implement actual gravity.

    2. Re:Not the answer by tgd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Use centrifugal force at the space station level to implement actual gravity.

      Centripital. And the problem with that is, the structure you're standing in has the same sense of acceleration as the astronaut. It has to be dramatically stronger, and thus heavier, and therefore unworkable in orbit.

    3. Re:Not the answer by Fned · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can you explain that in more depth? Doesn't the structure have to be strong anyway to withstand takeoff pressures from Earth?

      Only if it's launched in one piece...

    4. Re:Not the answer by sjames · · Score: 3, Informative

      For one, the structure is launched in segments. For another, it only has to be strong along it's major axis for launch, but for centrifugal gravity, it must be strong radially from it's axis.

    5. Re:Not the answer by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 5, Interesting

      But we won't do it till we spend a lot more time on earth doing the grunt work (engineering and thinking) instead of spending billions on half baked manned missions to nowhere worthwhile.

      While I agree to a point, you actually have to eventually do these things in order to see how they work.

      Consider Apollo. We didn't just fire up the ol' Saturn V and head to the Moon. You're right that there was lots of design and testing done on Earth. But eventually we flew Apollo 7 in orbit around Earth in order to test the CSM. We flew around the Moon on Apollo 8 to test those procedures (as well as beat them Rooskis to the Moon). Apollo 9 tested the LEM and the extraction procedures in Earth orbit and Apollo 10 tested them in Lunar orbit (as an aside, I have to admit that if I was on the Apollo 10 mission and everything was working out, I'd be tempted to yell "Fuck you, Neil!" into my radio and land on the Moon. What's NASA gonna do?) Not to mention the various unmanned launches before Apollo 7.

      Were all those "half-baked" missions of the Apollo program a waste? Are you saying we should have just shot astronauts at the Moon until one of them made it?

    6. Re:Not the answer by Seraphim1982 · · Score: 5, Informative

      (as an aside, I have to admit that if I was on the Apollo 10 mission and everything was working out, I'd be tempted to yell "Fuck you, Neil!" into my radio and land on the Moon. What's NASA gonna do?)

      Watch as you die on the moon because the ascent stage lacked the fuel needed to return the Lunar Module to the Command Module from the surface of the moon.

    7. Re:Not the answer by DerekLyons · · Score: 2

      But we won't do it till we spend a lot more time on earth doing the grunt work (engineering and thinking) instead of spending billions on half baked manned missions to nowhere worthwhile.

      Grunt work in the labs and simulators is nothing but an exercise in intellectual masturbation unless and until you go out into the real world and actually see how things work. You don't learn without actually doing.

    8. Re:Not the answer by adavies42 · · Score: 2

      reminds me of the bit from Apollo 13 where two of them look wistfully out the window at the Moon, and the third says "Gentlemen, what are your intentions?"

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    9. Re:Not the answer by sjames · · Score: 2

      The absolute size hardly matters, it's a matter of how large is it vs how large could it have been if you did it right. As I said, it hardly mattered for Skylab because it was zero-g.

      Floors have weight too and every tiny bit counts. Besides that, there is a fairly sharp gradient when pseudo-gravity is used.

      Due to physics, it is easier for us to launch taller cylinders rather than wider ones.

  7. Egad! It's the 1950's!!! by mark-t · · Score: 2, Funny

    A bubble helmet... I can't believe she's wearing a bubble helmet.

  8. Read about these before. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I had been watching some of the news and documentaries about the group doing the suits. They still had quite a few hurdles to overcome, as the squeeze suit had not been able to provide enough pressure to reach that critical 1/3rd of an atmosphere. The Article does not seem to indicate if they have tackled that, only "proven the technical feasibility", which sounds about where I heard they were last.

    When I saw them plying a big length of rubber on the leg of someone, it looked like something ready to cut off someone's circulation if left on too long. It tripped a few skeptical alarms for me. Will these have to be custom fitted? What happens if someone gains or loses weight(ie: mass)? Will using them for any length of time be uncomfortable or dangerous to people? They seem pretty happy to wander around in public wearing what appears to be a prototype. It just worries me that it might be a lot of hot air.

    The use of Gyros sounds a bit odd, perhaps I am not quite sure of the process in which bones lose density. I would have thought the loss of bone mass is from the lack of gravity bones are subjected to in the first place, not a lack of resistance to movement. Gravity pulls mostly uniformly on people, Gyros probably won't help too much for putting resistance on someone's spine or other bones in the center of one's mass. It might help some for muscle loss though. Has NASA agreed to ship some of these up to the ISS for some testing?

    Its a shame without shuttle like services we might not be able to do too much testing of the technologies we want to use to survive the trip, live on, and return from Mars. There are many that would be a great help.

    1. Re:Read about these before. by Fned · · Score: 2

      When I saw them plying a big length of rubber on the leg of someone, it looked like something ready to cut off someone's circulation if left on too long.

      I'm guessing that's because there was an additional 1 atmosphere of pressure on it...

      Will using them for any length of time be uncomfortable or dangerous to people?

      Since the point is to make them less uncomfortable and dangerous than existing suits, I'd posit that the answer will be "no, or they'll go out of business."

      The use of Gyros sounds a bit odd, perhaps I am not quite sure of the process in which bones lose density.

      Nobody is quite sure of the process by which bones lose density in microgravity. It's still kind of a mystery.

      I would have thought the loss of bone mass is from the lack of gravity bones are subjected to in the first place, not a lack of resistance to movement.

      That seems to be the case from experiments, but there hasn't been a method to provide continual resistance to movement before, just periodic exercise.

      Gyros probably won't help too much for putting resistance on someone's spine or other bones in the center of one's mass.

      It might, if the upper/lower limb gyros work opposite one another.

      Has NASA agreed to ship some of these up to the ISS for some testing?

      They'd probably want to see a fully-functional prototype first.

    2. Re:Read about these before. by Fned · · Score: 4, Informative

      Oh, and from the article that pic is from:

      Bio-Suit is a space activity suit under development at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, which as of 2006[update] consists of several lower leg prototypes. Bio-suit is custom fit to each wearer, using laser body scanning.

    3. Re:Read about these before. by Pentium100 · · Score: 2

      So, like in the anime "Rocket Girls"?

  9. The barrier is too high, MAN must adapt by wisebabo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Unfortunately it looks like the human species (and maybe most multicellular animals!) is just not suited for long duration space flight and maybe even habitation of other (lesser gravity) worlds.

    http://io9.com/5881355/microgravity-screws-us-up-at-a-cellular-level

    If this turns out to be true (I know they are using fruit flies but Drosphilia are a good proxy for humans for many things) then we're going to have very serious problems in doing anything other than "plant the flag" style missions. At what point is there "enough" gravity to allow the proper development of a human fetus? Half a gravity? A third? (Mars). A sixth? (the moon). That's why probably the single most important next step for manned space flight is probably the addition of a large (capable of handling mice, preferably primates) centrifuge to the ISS. I recall that it was once meant to be part of it but was cancelled. WE NEED THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED.

    And if the news is bad and humans can't go through a complete life cycle in anything appreciably less than one gee? Then it's time to hack the genome and (possibly) create a new species! While we're at it, we might as add ability to withstand brief (1-2 minutes?) exposure to vacuum (I understand that oxygen comes out of your blood quickly and you can't hold your breath because your lungs will burst. So you pass out in seconds). Also, radiation hardening would be good (some animals like tardigrads can take thousands of times more exposure). The ability to hibernate would be great and I'm sure there are a lot more abilities we could wish for.

    In short maybe Homo Astra (or something like that, I don't know Latin).

    Otherwise our robots will conquer the universe without us (or at least until we can download our minds into them).

    1. Re:The barrier is too high, MAN must adapt by dkf · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately it looks like the human species (and maybe most multicellular animals!) is just not suited for long duration space flight and maybe even habitation of other (lesser gravity) worlds.

      The problem is, we've currently only got proper data for 1g and (effectively) 0g, and damn little for anything in between. What are the long-term effects at martian gravitation levels? Lunar? 0.1g? If the worst of the effects can be staved off by even 0.1g, we can relatively easily spin craft to achieve that. (1g is more difficult, because of the amount of mass and energy involved.) But first we need the data, as you can't extrapolate or interpolate a curve from just two datapoints...

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  10. oblig xkcd by Fusselwurm · · Score: 2