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New Exoplanet Is Best Yet Candidate For Supporting Life

First time accepted submitter uigrad_2000 writes "With all the new exoplanets discovered recently with Kepler, it seemed a sure thing that the first exoplanet in the habitable zone of a star would be found soon. The irony is that Kepler was not involved. GJ 667Cc is at least 4.5 times as massive as Earth, and lies in the habitable region of its host star, reports Scientific American. It was discovered by comparing public data from the ESO to recent observations from Hawaii and Chile. As opposed to the stars Kepler is watching, this is only 22 light-years away, making it even more interesting."

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  1. 22 light years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "this is only 22 light years away, making it even more interesting."

    It's like a price on an estate: as remarkable as this is, it's only 55.3 million! Still unreachable :P

    1. Re:22 light years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Closer planets are much easier to observe than farther ones. We may not be able to go there in the foreseeable future, but being close means we can study it.

    2. Re:22 light years by afabbro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Visiting this planet is perfectly feasible if the human race wants it.

      I wouldn't say "perfectly" feasible. Visiting the moon is perfectly feasible. Visiting Mars is probably perfectly feasible. But 22LY is a >44Y round trip. I think instead of "perfectly feasible" I would say "probably possible".

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    3. Re:22 light years by Swampash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A 44 year round trip if you travel at the speed of light from start to finish.

      That's a pretty big if.

    4. Re:22 light years by Zakabog · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well 44 years for those of us observing from Earth. Much less time for those of us making the journey (assuming they're traveling at the speed of light or close to it.) Still that is a huge if. Though radio contact with an intelligent and sufficiently technicially advanced species that close would be very possible.

    5. Re:22 light years by butalearner · · Score: 5, Informative

      I would not be so worried about Doppler shifted radiation. I would be more worried about the 3 foot tall super strong midgets who would live on a planet with 4.5x our gravity. They would undoubtedly be able to break a human man in half with little effort.

      Actually, the planet's radius is probably going to be quite a bit larger than our own, since (reportedly) there are fewer heavy metals in that system. If the radius is 2.1x Earth's radius with 4.5x the mass, the gravity would be the same as Earth.

  2. The universe mocks us by istartedi · · Score: 5, Funny

    The universe mocks us.

    Here's silver candy,
    It doesn't make you fat.
    It'll get you girls and all of that.
    It only sells for a modest fee.
    A quintillion dollars
    Or exceeding C.

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    1. Re:The universe mocks us by MrZilla · · Score: 5, Insightful

      May take up to 22 years?

      It will guaranteed never take less than 22 years. Never mind that even getting close to c is a wild dream at this time.

      But if you did manage to get close to the speed of light, the trip would take ~22 years from an earth point of view, but for the people on the ship/whatever, the trip will be quite short. If you actually hit c (never mind that it is physically impossible), the trip would be instantaneous from the point of view of the travelers.

      A more realistic scenario, if we pour a lot of money into propulsion research, might be to fly away at 10% c. That would lead to a trip take takes 220 years in earth-time, or 198 years in ship-time. Not exactly an easy trip to plan.

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    2. Re:The universe mocks us by PwnzerDragoon · · Score: 5, Funny

      You'd launch mid-season of American Idol and 20 years later you still won't know who won it.

      I already do that. Am I an astronaut?

  3. Re:If we can find them... by tiffany352 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We have a 75 light year radius sphere of expanding radio signals. If anyone is out there listening, we are the kid knocking over bookshelves in the library of the universe.

  4. Re:What if we go there? by camperdave · · Score: 5, Insightful

    (No, I don't think we'll ever reach it; 22 light years)

    We already HAVE reached it... in a sense. We've been broadcasting radio and television signals for all of recorded history (electronically recorded history, that is). Maybe they are mourning the death of The Skipper from Gilligan's Island (Alan Hale Jr.) who passed away 22 years ago. Maybe they're stunned by the loss of the shuttle Challenger, or dismayed by Chernobyl, or the Exxon Valdez. Maybe they're rocking out to Madonna and Michael "Mr Glove" Jackson. Perhaps they have had a Star Wars marathon, and are hoping beyond hope that George Lucas will make those long anticipated prequel movies. Too bad there's no way we can warn them.

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  5. Re:What if we go there? by Surt · · Score: 4, Funny

    Because they aren't stupid enough to broadcast their position to the more dangerous gangs in the galaxy.

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  6. Re:If we can find them... by segwonk · · Score: 4, Interesting


    Serious question though: What size antenna would some(thing) need to hear our radio signals at a distance of 22ly?

    I seem to recall from reading somewhere (Physics of Star Trek?) about this. The gist is that this is a non-trivial problem, requiring an antenna unfathomably wide to catch such a weak signal.

    Maybe there's an occasional super neat hack, like galaxy/gravitational lensing. But there's no aiming that.

    Anyway, maybe we'll catch someone knowledgable about this... Chime in!

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  7. Re:If we can find them... by Kjella · · Score: 4, Interesting

    According to this:

    Project Phoenix, under the direction of Dr. Jill Tarter, who had worked on MOP when she was at NASA, was a continuation of the Targeted Search program, studying 710 Sunlike stars within 150 light-years of the Earth. Phoenix used the 64-meter Parkes radio telescope in Australia, the 43-meter telescope at Green Banks, and the Arecibo dish, searching 70 million channels across a bandwidth of 1,800 MHz. The search was said to be capable of picking up any transmitter about as powerful as an airport radar within 200 light-years. Phoenix was completed in March 2004, with negative results.

    It gets better if you assume we have a dedicated facility on both ends, two Arecibo radio telescopes (305m each) should be able to communicate halfway to the center of the galaxy. But if you're taking about a low-power radio broadcast, then that would take a huge, huge antenna. Then again, they've done some crazy things with arrays of antennas, so who knows. Certainly we're not so silent that we can't get noticed.

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  8. Re:If we can find them... by Kjella · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And setting up an antenna is the easy part. How are you going to decode the transmissions by an alien civilization?

    2x beep
    3x beep
    5x beep
    7x beep
    11x beep
    13x beep
    17x beep
    19x beep
    *pause*
    5x beep
    *pause*
    7x beep
    *pause*
    35x beep/no beep
    *pause* ...and start over.

    This should be a fairly straight forward way of encoding a pictogram, though it's unclear if they'll interpret 5 and 7 as the horizontal and vertical or opposite. Replace 5, 7 and 5*7 with arbitrary large primes to make detailed pictures. From there you can start sending maps of the galaxy, periodic table with illustration of the elements, everything we'd have in common. Show math with illustrations like you'd do to a preschooler, here's 2+3 = 5 with boxes of 2, 3 and 5 items. Once they understand our number system, show them distances they too probably know like size of galaxy, size of hydrogen atom etc.

    Text and language, yes you'd get to that eventually. Send them them the alphabet then start over again, naming everything like the milky way, the sun, earth, all the elements and so on. For that matter, just teach them like you would a young child, the is s table and chair and book and flower and bird and whatnot. Illustration and text. Somehow I don't see this as a problem, put a US and Japanese kid in the same room and they'll find a way to communicate even though they got no words in common. Hell, we teach sign language to monkeys. How hard can it be to get a conversation going?

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