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Doctors 'Cheating' On Board Certifications

Maximum Prophet writes "After taking board exams, doctors have been routinely getting together to remember and reproduce as much of the exam as they can. These notes are then bound and reproduced. According to the American Board of Dermatology, the exams are protected by copyright laws, and any reproduction not approved by the board is illegal. While I have no doubt that the Board believes this, and pays lawyers to believe it as well, I don't think they understand copyright. Perhaps they should invest in better testing methods."

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  1. IT Certificate by anti11es · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Keep it up and getting your MD degree will be worth about as much as most IT certificates. You can buy copies of most of those tests online from companies that somehow steal the cert test, probably using the same method these doctors are.

    1. Re:IT Certificate by TWX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Uh, there's this thing called Residency, which is a big difference compared to IT work...

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      Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
    2. Re:IT Certificate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey man I was resident in my mother's basement for years to get this IT gig.

    3. Re:IT Certificate by dmr001 · · Score: 5, Informative
      It's a fair question (in the US, anyway) to ask us how much a procedure costs, but each procedure has multiple components with different prices set by negotiation with each insurance company, and a separate amount for uninsured patients, often with a modest discount. Insurance companies consider the negotiated prices proprietary; if they were posted, doctors could collude in setting prices (which is illegal).

      Your insurance company changes these prices each year, and does not make them available for ready viewing by physicians, as that is not to their advantage. Your insurance company also sets deductibles and copays, and doesn't tell us what they are or how paid up your are on them. When we try to call your insurance company to figure this out, we get put on hold for 20 minutes (just like you) and as often as not are told we need to fill out form 2204-09, available on their website hosted in North Korea, to get permission to access information about your particular plan in order to make some guess about how much you're going to owe based on the procedure we think you're going to need and the particular agreement your plan has with our office.

      If your physician gets paid right away by your insurance company, s/he is truly blessed. The insurance folks have 30 days to mull over the payment, and then can contest this and that and claim the diagnosis code needs another procedure code and so forth, with several weeks turnaround each time on muddied fax; they have little incentive to pay promptly. I can assure you they make as many mistakes paying us as they do billing you. And then we get to send you revised bills based on their (often) capricious decisions.

      When patients call our office complaining about a bill, my preferred response is typically "fine," since I'd rather not spend another 40 minutes on the phone with your insurance company asking why the $120 we charged to remove your pre-cancerous mole shouldn't be bundled into the $10 toenail removal we did 2 months ago, and the 3 pages of paperwork designed in Kyrgyzstan where I can try to justify our billing to some insurance company bureaucrat. So we can get the $43 your insurance company has negotiated the $120 procedure down to. For the work we already did. I expect if we made your auto mechanic go through this bullshit 20 times a day they might just kill themselves with an air compressor.

    4. Re:IT Certificate by solidraven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And this is why it's fun to live in a European country with public healthcare with excellent coverage and small waiting times. Sure we pay a bit extra in income tax to support it, but it's totally worth it when you get sick.

  2. Before you go nuts... by demonlapin · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is a lot of confusion among people who aren't physicians about what, exactly, is meant by "boards" and "board certified". Just remember: medicine is populated entirely by people who are good at tests. They may have other skills, and they may not. But they're all good at taking tests.

    When a physician is described as "board-certified", that means that s/he has taken a specialty examination given (in almost all cases) by a member of the American Board of Medical Specialties. In some fields, this only has a written component; in others, especially surgical fields, oral examinations are standard as well as the writtens. These examinations serve to certify that you know that particular specialty. They are not required to practice medicine, and physicians are not limited by law to practice only in areas of medicine for which they have received formal training. Insurers providing coverage and hospitals allowing privileges outside of your area are a different matter, but as a matter of law, a general-practice MD can perform neurosurgery in his office.

    A permanent, unrestricted medical license in the US is predicated on passing the US Medical Licensure Examination Steps 1, 2, and 3 (unless you're an osteopath and you take the COMLEX, but that's a small number of people and in any case the principle is very similar). Furthermore, you will have to do at least an internship (the first year of residency after medical school) in order to be granted a permanent, unrestricted medical license. (Graduates of non-US/Canada medical schools may have to do two or even three years of residency.)

    So yes, people do get together and discuss things. In particular, memorizing questions serves the purpose of identifying what the question-makers think is important. This is not always trivial; as medical specialties have moved their written examinations onto computers in recent years and K-type (Choose A if 1 and 3 are right, B if 2 and 4 are right, C if 4 only is right, D is 1, 2, and 3 are right, and E if all are incorrect) questions have been eliminated, there has been a significant influx of new questions from younger examiners. Like all examiners, they tend to submit questions from their own interests rather than just covering a broad enough base to be sure that the examinee is capable of practicing safe medicine. The line between pass and fail has to fall somewhere, and if you're academically relatively weak, knowing the likely subject matter (or the likely rare association between two things) can make the difference between pass and fail.

    The USMLE 1/2/3 all have prep courses and study books with sample questions, just like the SAT. If you don't study how the questions are asked, you are unlikely to do your best. However, the base of knowledge is just immense - Step 3 considers anything that you might encounter in a general practice to be fair game. To pass the test, you're going to need to know the stuff.

    The specialty board examinations don't take anyone who couldn't 1) get a residency in that specialty and 2) pass their way through it (which is not a given - people fail out of residencies all the time). Dermatology, the subject of this article, is populated exclusively by people who gradated in the top 5-10% of their med school class. Their intelligence and drive to study isn't really in question. What's happening is mostly a matter of pride; even though only a vanishingly small percentage of people who take the test will fail, it is incredibly embarrassing to be the one who does.

  3. Re:MD degree is to long and the school mindset may by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bullshit is entirely subjective. I know engineers who are focused on engineering to the extent that they know (and care) nothing about anything else. So maybe you have a point. People like that do the bare minimum work necessary to pass their out-of-major courses and retain nothing. Maybe it's not worth teaching some people anything but what they will most predictably use in their career.

    But a doctor is more than a technician. He or she is in the business of caring for people. A one-dimensional engineer might be competent and get the job done, but he might lack in creativity -- I know plenty like that. A one-dimensional doctor doesn't understand his patients. He doesn't understand that two patients with the same disease may express themselves in very different ways or that two patients that *say* the same thing about their condition may be describing different systems. He may not understand the psychological aspects of living with disease. Etc.

    The more a doctor knows about PEOPLE, the better it enables him to practice MEDICINE.

    To some extent, the same is true of engineers and programmers. You might know how to perform a certain task, but where do you learn to understand what customers want? They sure to hell don't teach that in your engineering classes and it damn sure is important to know.

  4. This is SO WRONG in SO MANY ways by CrankinOut · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm almost at a loss as to how to be informative on this post because it's so lacking in facts or actual observation.

    1. Doctors are primarily (with a few notable exceptions like Kaiser-Permanente and the military health system) small partnerships of under 5 physicians. They don't run "big operations with high margins."
    2. Hospitals are generally not-for profits (again some exceptions) with net excess revenues less the 5-7%, about the cost of capital replacement.
    3. Doctors do expect compensation for the 4 years of college, 4 years of medical school, and 3-8 years of internship, residency, and fellowship, since they give up 7-12 years of post-college years of income generation for the same life expectancy. However, huge salaries for a few do not equate to massive salaries for all. Just like baseball players, a few get the big bucks, but many more play in the minor leagues. Check out the National Bureau for Labor Statistics data.
    4. Some doctors make lots (neurosurgeons, for example), but then they also pay millions of dollars (YES, MILLIONS) of dollars in malpractice insurance because people expect perfection from doctors, not acknowledging how complex and variable human biology is.
    5. The most complex part of the healthcare system is the insurance system, which is completely out of the control of the medical professionals.
    6. AMA is not a union, has no collective bargaining rights, and has as its membership AT BEST maybe 10-15% of all physicians. It's a voluntary professional membership society.
    7. The major evolving complexity in the state of healthcare in the US is the federal government, which through tax laws, federal mandates, and regulatory actions, have created a never-ending chain of requirements, complexity, and frustration. The decades long effort at vilification of the medical profession and poor financial management coupled with government regulation will give you increasingly lower quality of medical care delivered by less trained salaried employees.
    8. On the plus side, technology can assist in improvement in the application of scientific knowledge to the delivery of care, but not if legislated and dictated by Congress and political forces.

    The IT profession (at least NOT YET) doesn't have state regulated boards, mandatory licensing, bureaucratic payment policies, and direct government intervention in almost every aspect of your professional career.

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