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Text Message Brands Quebec Man a Terror Suspect

An anonymous reader writes "Saad Allami likely never expected that a simple text message of encouragement would have turned his life upside down. But as seen in a similar case of absurd overreaction by authorities, a simple text message is all it takes to have yourself branded as a terrorist. From the article: 'The Quebec man says he was arrested by provincial police while picking up his seven-year-old son at school. A team of police officers stormed into his home, telling his wife she was married to a terrorist. And his work colleagues were detained for hours at the U.S. border because of their connection to him.'"

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  1. What was it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What were the contents of the text message? That seems like sort of a key point.

    1. Re:What was it? by guabah · · Score: 5, Informative

      He just wanted to "blow away" the competition

    2. Re:What was it? by Squiddie · · Score: 5, Informative

      The article says that he told his colleagues to "blow away" the competition, so most likely it read as, "Blow them away." And it was misinterpreted.

    3. Re:What was it? by Jeremi · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The article says that he told his colleagues to "blow away" the competition, so most likely it read as, "Blow them away." And it was misinterpreted.

      Indeed -- but misinterpreted by whom? His colleagues, or by someone who was spying on his text messages? And if it was the latter, did they have a search warrant, or is this another case of the government conducting warrantless wiretaps?

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    4. Re:What was it? by Rockoon · · Score: 5, Informative

      A Connecticut Casino has a set of 4 "core values" that its employees are supposed to emulate:

      Blowing Away the Customer
      Developing Passionate and Dedicated Employees
      Continuously Striving for Perfection
      Bottom Line Performance


      Is this out of a terrorist handbook?

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    5. Re:What was it? by Seq · · Score: 5, Informative

      Allami says he sent the text message in French and used the word ''exploser,'' a term he claims is commonly used in finance to mean grow or succeed.

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    6. Re:What was it? by Isaac+Remuant · · Score: 4, Interesting

      how sure are you that you're not being spied on as well? and I mean you and everyone else who uses cell phones.

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    7. Re:What was it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Salem, je serai à New York le 25 janvier, on va exploser ACN, si vous avez des contacts référez-les moi"

      http://www.aufaitmaroc.com/maroc/societe/2012/2/3/canada-un-entrepreneur-dorigine-marocaine-souhaitant-exploser-la-concurrence-ecroue

    8. Re:What was it? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Funny

      I understand a guy who does not have english as his first language using the phrase and not meaning it literally.

      BUT - what excuse is there for north american 'authorities' to misunderstand this very common expresssion ?

      there is no excuse. anyone in charge connected to this should be fired.

      or, blown away....

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    9. Re:What was it? by murdocj · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm not, I have my tinfoil hat on

    10. Re:What was it? by russotto · · Score: 5, Funny

      Connecticut Casino has a set of 4 "core values" that its employees are supposed to emulate:

      Blowing Away the Customer

      I think that must have been done by a non-native English speaker. It's just a mistaken idiom; the correct "core value" is "Cleaning Out the Customer".

    11. Re:What was it? by Yvan256 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Salem, je serai à New York le 25 janvier, on va exploser ACN, si vous avez des contacts référez-les moi.

      Translates to:
      Salem, I will be in New York on January 25h, we will explode ACN, if you have contacts refer them to me.

      So yes, if you only see that sentence alone by itself, it will make you want to go and arrest the man.

      The question is, why didn't they dig a bit deeper to get more information such as more details about the supposed bomb and other supposed terrorists *AND* why was his message intercepted in the first place? Welcome to 1984. The real terrorists did win, everyone in North America now lives in a police state.

    12. Re:What was it? by jamstar7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      With a name like Saad Allami you just know he was being profiled.

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    13. Re:What was it? by Rytis · · Score: 5, Informative

      It is indeed used very often in colloquial French. You can explode your budget, some limit/quota (overspend or overdo) and yes, you can explode your competition as the title of this article says.

    14. Re:What was it? by meerling · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Allami says he sent the text message in French and used the word ''exploser,'' a term he claims is commonly used in finance to mean grow or succeed."

      Bet it was picked up by english keyword software or 'examined' by an english speaker that obviously doesn't understand french idioms/slang, so he googled it, and found the wrong definition.
      Basic moron level knee-jerking.

    15. Re:What was it? by meerling · · Score: 5, Insightful

      more likely? Considering they went ballistic on one misinterpreted word in a text message, I'd say they it's 100% positive they were spying on him.

    16. Re:What was it? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Funny

      Blowing the customer. That's got to be a Nevada casino? No?

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    17. Re:What was it? by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ya know, we all make fun of them when they do obvious dumbshit like this, but how much of this is typical corporate CYA that always happens when somebody fucks up? I mean they ignored the guys learning to fly a plane and not land it which now looks pretty fucking stupid but at that time, when the only thing any terrorist had ever done with a plane was demand it take him to Cuba? Compared to what they had on their plates it probably wasn't seen as a big whoop.

      Well now here we are, and after millions spent in investigation on how they could have missed 9/11 i have no problem thinking they may go completely overboard in the other direction in a classic case of CYA. Again while not condoning this obvious dumbshit maneuver given the circumstances you can see why it happens, nobody wants to be labeled the next guy that "ZOMFG you fucked up and let them attack us you monster!" so here we go.

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    18. Re:What was it? by alexgieg · · Score: 4, Informative

      Is this out of a terrorist handbook?

      In Portuguese the word "bomba" can mean "bomb", "pump" or "eclair", so you infer the meaning from context. Now, guess what happened to a not-quite-fluent-in-English Brazilian businessman when, passing through US customs a few years ago with a pump, and asked by the customs officer what that were, he replied with an epic mistranslated "a water bomb"?

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    19. Re:What was it? by Atzanteol · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's precisely part of the problem. Security isn't about CYA it's about catching bad guys and not arresting innocent people (the latter seems to be forgotten a lot). And this CYA behavior is being reinforced by "management" rather than discouraged. So if somebody find a battery on the ground near a building and suggests "it looks suspicious" then all the way up the line people are thinking "IT'S A BOMB DESTROY IT" without any justification or disagreement.

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    20. Re:What was it? by ThePeices · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And the moral of the story is?
      Dont travel to the US.

      The #1 reason why the US was quickly ruled out as my holiday destination this year is because of the horror stories like this.
      Im not a criminal hell bent on the cold blooded murder of thousands of people, im a tourist.
      I want to take photos of my trip, not take photos with the intent of bombing the place.
      I dont want to be fondled, radiated or seen naked on every plane trip, have guns pointed at me, screamed at followed or harassed.

      bah, fuck that, im going somewhere else.
      A real shame too, as genuinely I wanted to go there and see the sights.

    21. Re:What was it? by CaptainAmerica1941 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Considering this story was about Canada, you must be really paranoid!

    22. Re:What was it? by deanklear · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Compared to what they had on their plates it probably wasn't seen as a big whoop.

      Don't paper over our intelligence failures. The title of the memo to the President of the US was "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside the US." Bin Laden was, at that time, the head of an organization that had already carried out terrorist attacks against the United States in Kenya, as well as the bombing of the USS Cole. He wasn't a sales manager in Montreal.

      If our governments are going to assume that we are all terrorists until proven innocent, the war on terror is over. We lost.

    23. Re:What was it? by kosty · · Score: 4, Funny
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    24. Re:What was it? by deanklear · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, that's a much more plausible explanation than poorly trained terrorists trying the same plot again and succeeding because of a massive American intelligence bureaucracy that wasn't quick enough to adapt...

      Turn off the Alex Jones and go outside.

    25. Re:What was it? by AHuxley · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A genuine bad person would have direct or 2nd gen state/covert training. They know to stay off any 'phone' due to voice prints, call logs, camera, gps, unique embedded photo codes and risks spyware been pushed onto the phone.
      A phone is an open mic, a log of all your contacts and links you to people who might have sold out, been turned or just been lazy or unlucky.

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    26. Re:What was it? by dbIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      when the only thing any terrorist had ever done with a plane was demand it take him to Cuba

      It was so obvious it was in a Tom Clancy book and an X-Files spinoff. Both being unashamedly derivative products it came from a lot of other places before that.

    27. Re:What was it? by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes but I wonder how much of it is 'pretend it isn't there and the monster might go away" wishful thinking? i mean in ANY small town you have enough chemicals that mixed in the right way would be an instant nightmare, see OKC for an example, yet we simply can't survive without those very same chemicals. Frankly I'm amazed we haven't had some nutjob set off a nuke yet as the gun design is VERY crude and with the fall of the USSR there have been plenty of reports of shit just turning up gone.

      Frankly I think the ONLY thing that has saved our asses so far is terrorists are like most criminals and REALLY fucking stupid. We are in serious fucking trouble if they ever figure out how to recruit people with a brain because frankly all this security theater crap would be trivially avoided by anybody with a brain, lucky for us what they get is morons like the underwear bomber. But if they had to actually lock down all the different things that could create mass destruction frankly the whole country would be in gridlock. The best they can do is hope they can trip over the right intel at the right time of they do something really fucking stupid like brag about their plans on some jihad channel on the net. Because the world we have now simply wasn't designed with "Hey can this be used by a nutjob with a cause against us?" in mind.

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    28. Re:What was it? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I like this guy, already. He isn't suing for millions, he is suing for $100,000. And, he wants a certificate of good conduct so that he can work in the field of his choosing. Obviously, he wants to embarrass the fools responsible. Sounds like a reasonable guy to me. I get so disgusted with people who have a legitimate greivance, but blow it all out of proportion by suing for tens or hundreds of millions of dollars. It's like, "Oh, these guys insulted me - I should never have to work again! Set me up with luxury homes, luxury cars, furs, diamonds, yachts and private jets!"

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    29. Re:What was it? by wvmarle · · Score: 4, Informative

      It was about a Canadian company attending a trade show in the US. And the man sent a text message to his colleagues who at the time were in the US. US border patrol got involved as well (the latter part is mentioned in the summary even).

      Both are involved. That doesn't make either US or Canada any better though.

    30. Re:What was it? by stephanruby · · Score: 4, Interesting

      He said "exploser" which is French for "explode", which he interprets as "succeed" or "blow them away". I am originally from France and I can't say I'm familiar with that specific wording, but that's how I would interpret it myself if I ever received such a message from a co-worker (unless of course I was a terrorist, in which case context means everything).

      Indeed -- but misinterpreted by whom? His colleagues, or by someone who was spying on his text messages?

      This was a private text message directed _at_ his co-workers who were at a trade-show abroad. If that message had really been about a real bomb, it would imply that anyone it was directed at would have been an accomplice. Also, I doubt the authorities would have waited until the co-workers came back through border control to interrogate them if the complaints had really come from the co-workers themselves.

      And if it was the latter, did they have a search warrant, or is this another case of the government conducting warrantless wiretaps?

      My bet would be that they were using Blackberry's private BBMs network. In Europe (except for the UK), government officials and high ranking businessmen are told not to use Blackberries, because all the traffic is said to be shared de-encrypted with the US/UK/Canadian/New Zealand/Australian intelligence's echelon program as part of their anglo-security intelligence sharing pact. It is said that even if you're sending a text or an email to an office worker just standing in an office down the hall from you, it doesn't matter where you are in Europe, and even if you're not in the UK, the text or email will first go through the UK so that it can first be indexed and analyzed by the echelon program before it can make its way back to your country and be delivered to your co-worker.

    31. Re:What was it? by compro01 · · Score: 4, Informative

      He said "exploser" which is French for "explode", which he interprets as "succeed" or "blow them away". I am originally from France and I can't say I'm familiar with that specific wording

      Being from France doesn't help you much with informal Quebecois French. It has deviated considerably in the past couple centuries.

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    32. Re:What was it? by rahvin112 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Nothing happened with the Russian material because the Russian military officers were consummate professionals interested in maintaining the integrity of their nuclear supplies EVEN when they weren't being paid. The US helped a bit by offering support in the form of money, tracking technology and basically secretarial assistance in tracking and verifying the integrity of the supplies but every goes back to the Russians and their professionalism.

      The few times a couple ounces of material disappeared it happened from commercial sources not weapons and even then it was quickly intercepted when they tried to sell it. This was all confirmed recently with recent books from people that have retired that were involved in the process, the Russians were always very professional. Hell its the reason we never ended up in a war with them, that same professionalism got Kruchef sacked and Stalin murdered by a Coumadin overdose. We might have some idealogical differences with the Russians on occasion but they've always been sane responsible people with integrity and honor.

    33. Re:What was it? by geogob · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe its common in the french language in France. In Quebec, where most french speaking Canadians are, I don't think I've ever heard the word "exploser" in that context. If I did, it was only on very rare occasions.

      If I had been the analyst on the case, I would have raised a red flag too. What's missing is the whole context. You can't raise flags on single words without their context. Without the full text message, it's hard to get an opinion on the matter.

    34. Re:What was it? by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 5, Funny

      I like this guy, already. He isn't suing for millions, he is suing for $100,000. And, he wants a certificate of good conduct so that he can work in the field of his choosing. Obviously, he wants to embarrass the fools responsible. Sounds like a reasonable guy to me. I get so disgusted with people who have a legitimate greivance, but blow it all out of proportion by suing for tens or hundreds of millions of dollars. It's like, "Oh, these guys insulted me - I should never have to work again! Set me up with luxury homes, luxury cars, furs, diamonds, yachts and private jets!"

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  2. Much worse by Squiddie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They arrested him because of a simple text message, not because any actions that he took. Just speech. That's a lot worse, if you ask me.

    1. Re:Much worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You're all missing the obvious. Forget his religion, origins, looks or name. Look at this, FTA:
      "His case has surfaced after another story about an unexpected national-security case, triggered by what appeared to be a meaningless comment."
      And that bit about the two Britts a few days ago ...
      Doesn't that mean that every bit of data passing through the USA is monitored?

  3. Americans are misunderstanding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    He was actually charged with terrorism for not also send his message in French. This is Quebec after all.

  4. Nations of Cowards by swbirding · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The US and Canada have become such cowardly nations that anything can be made into a threat.

    1. Re:Nations of Cowards by cold+fjord · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, anything except actual threats. We are continually told on Slashdot that they don't exist despite continuing arrests and convictions. The lack of terrorist attacks isn't because there aren't terrorists, or that they don't wish to attack, but because they have been generally foiled to date due to good intelligence, hard work, and luck.

      North of the border:
      Canadian Charged in Iraq Bombing
      Few Details Given as 4 Canadians Are Held in Terrorist Plot
      Alleged terrorist arrested at Pearson
      Canadian police arrest couple on terrorism charges
      Government links boat passengers to terrorism, arrests made
      Terror Arrests Reveal Reach of Canada's Surveillance Powers

      South of the border:
      FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending January 27, 2012
      Denver: Man Arrested for Providing Material Support to a Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization
      Baltimore: Man Pleads Guilty to Attempted Use of a Weapon of Mass Destruction in Plot to Attack Armed Forces Recruiting Center
      Washington Field: Man Pleads Guilty to Shootings at Pentagon, Other Military Buildings

      FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending January 13, 2012
      Tampa: Florida Resident Charged with Plotting to Bomb Locations in Tampa
      Baltimore: Former Army Solider Charged with Attempting to Provide Material Support to al Shabaab

      FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending December 9, 2011
      Seattle: Man Pleads Guilty in Plot to Attack Military Processing Center

      FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending December 2, 2011
      San Diego: Woman Guilty of Conspiring to Provide Material Support to al Shabaab

      More here.

      Keep in mind that Al Qeda has called off attacks that would have likely killed hundreds or thousands of people because they weren't spectacular enough for their tastes. ( New York Subway Plot and al-Qaeda's WMD Strategy )

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  5. An unfortunate confluence of terms by dgharmon · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Telecommunications sales manager Saad Allami .. sent a text message to colleagues urging them to "blow away" the competition at a trade show in New York City"

    Well there you have it, an obvious prima facie case if there ever were one. An Arab sounding name next to the words 'blow away` and 'New York`. The computers at Fort Meade must have lit up like a Christmas tree ..

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  6. Ask The Right Questions... by IonOtter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We need to be asking the right questions here:

    He made the tweet on Jan 21, and he was picked up three days later. That is an incredibly fast turnaround for law enforcement, even for the US or Canada. They were throwing the T-word around like it was a known fact, all while terrorizing his wife and co-workers.

    So, let's ask some useful questions.

    1. How long have the authorities been monitoring this man?
    2. WHY have they been monitoring him?
    3. WHY did they go after his co-workers?

    The answers are bound to be exceptionally interesting and frightening.

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    1. Re:Ask The Right Questions... by martin-boundary · · Score: 4, Interesting
      He might not have been *monitored* at all. It's quite possible that a disgruntled neighbor/colleague/customer/acquaintance simply decided to accuse him anonymously. That would explain fast turnaround much more simply.

      1) Authorities don't know about man.
      2) Someone with a grudge against man sees tweet, and reports it to authorities.
      3) Authorities learn about tweet, Arab name, bomb action word, and decide to arrest the man.

  7. Re:Yup by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So if a guy solicits you in a bathroom, you'll have to assume it's a DHS agent.

    the hell with that: if some guy approaches me in a restroom, I'm assuming he's a republican and I'm running for my life!

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  8. How was this detected... by rainwalker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...is Canada intercepting every single text message sent in their country? TFA doesn't say, but frankly I'm pretty curious. The UK people banned for the Twitter comment actually makes a little sense, as Twitter is public, but AFAIK text messages aren't.

  9. stories like this blow me away by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Interesting

    i am just smashed thermodynamically to pieces by the kind overreaction here

    one wonders if a complete shock wave of annihilation of common sense has occurred

    what do we do as a society if we utterly and eruptive eviscerate and detonate our sense of proportion?

    a violent cataclysm of frothing hysteria is bursting forth and is explosively convulsively disintegrating mental composure here in a frenzied fulminating volcano of bursting boiling meteoric rage and---

    [NO CARRIER]

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    1. Re:stories like this blow me away by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Funny

      what the hell am i modded interesting for?

      where's my funny mod?

      ahhhh... i see

      mod me interesting, and therefore flag my comment as a serious one, and therefore get me popped by the security goons

      pretty clever slashdot!

      jokes on me!

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  10. It's called a moral panic. by mosb1000 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The more technical terms is moral panic. It is beyond ridiculous that such a well understood phenomena is completely lost on people who are supposedly "experts" on criminal behavior.

  11. The text message is the least of my worries by guttentag · · Score: 4, Interesting
    There are some things you just know better than to do. Don't yell "bomb" on a plane, don't point toy guns at people, don't joke about threatening a head of state, and don't send your buddies a text message about blowing people away as they are on their way to the airport.

    Here's the part of TFA that gets me:

    Allami says he hasn't been able to get a certificate of good conduct, which he would need in order to get a job working in finance.

    His allegations have not been proven in court and the application is to be presented at the Montreal courthouse on March 5.

    Provincial police spokesman Guy Lapointe says the force is aware of the case but will not comment as it is before the courts. A Justice Department spokesperson also declined to comment.

    Police had in Laval, Que., where he applied for the certificate, found terrorism accusations and public mischief on his file, even though his public file shows no signs of the allegations.

    "Without the certificate of good conduct, the plaintiff can no longer work in his profession," the document states.

    First of all, you need a "certificate of good conduct" from the police to work in the financial industry in Canada? On Wall Street, you almost need a certificate of unscupulous conduct to work in the financial industry.

    Second, Canadians have a "public file?" This sounds like something that was dreamed up to make people feel like they could access the government's information about them. But it implies that there's a private file as well that you will never see, which defeats the purpose of having a public file. In the U.S., you can request your FBI file for a fee, but they can tell you they don't have anything on you when they do. And the best part is that one of the requirements for obtaining the file is that you have local law enforcement fingerprint all ten fingers and send that along with your $18 payment. "Mr. Smith, you didn't have a criminal record before we received your request. However, thanks to your voluntary submission of your fingerprints, we discovered you match some prints found at a crime scene that had us stumped 10 years ago. We're going to have to take you in for questioning."

    1. Re:The text message is the least of my worries by Sowelu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't send your buddies a text about metaphorically blowing people away at a trade convention, just because they're getting on a plane soon? You have to be shitting me. Sorry, I don't live in a reality where that's common sense. I won't stop flying because I'm afraid of terrorists blowing up my plane, and I won't stop sending perfectly ordinary text messages because I'm afraid of the authorities coming after me. You are a degenerate coward.

  12. don't say "Hi" to me by Bigos · · Score: 5, Funny

    My name is Jack. People can get arrested just for saying "Hi" to me.