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Golden Delicious Now Shipping Hackable Openmoko GTA04

An anonymous reader writes with an update to the updated Openmoko phone that's long been in the works. From the story at Linux For Devices: "German manufacturer Golden Delicious has begun shipping a hackable open source smartphone that runs a variety of Linux software, including a newly optimized Openmoko distro. The Openmoko GTA04 is available as a finished phone or as a board that slips into earlier Openmoko Neo Freerunner GTA01 and GTA02 cases, providing an 800MHz Texas Instruments DM3730 processor and a full range of sensors and wireless features." It's rather expensive for a mid-range Android phone, but far more interesting than fairly ordinary phones decked out with bling.

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  1. Specs and price and ordering by migla · · Score: 3, Funny

    wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA04

    666.66 â

    That's like devilishly expensive. If I had the extra money, I'd pay it, but dang!

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    1. Re:Specs and price and ordering by Microlith · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's 666.66 euros, and that's just the an in-stock board. A complete device is likely beyond 750 once paid, assuming they have them. It gets down to 450, but you're still stuck with only a board.

      Sadly, the project is rather late and I get 99% of what I've wanted out of my N900 for less than it would have cost to buy the Freerunner then this on top.

    2. Re:Specs and price and ordering by rtfa-troll · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sadly, the project is rather late and I get 99% of what I've wanted out of my N900 for less than it would have cost to buy the Freerunner then this on top.

      That's the whole point though. Up till now, if you bought a Nokia N900 or N9, you were worrying what happens when you lose the device in two years time and there isn't anything equivalent on the market. The OpenMoko phone looked like a failure since the company gave up. Now they begin to look visionary and just a little bit too early. We now know for sure that people are going to keep coming out with these hobbyist devices and that they are going to keep getting better and better. That means you can start to take the idea seriously and invest time effort and even money. This is the equivalent moment to the moment when the ISA bus was added to the IBM-PC. Suddenly you realise that you have an open Linux based mobile device architecture which has escaped from the control of the big companies that were initially involved in setting it up.

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    3. Re:Specs and price and ordering by root_42 · · Score: 2

      Well, the N900 was a great platform, but you can't buy it anymore (at least here in Germany), since Nokia stopped producing it, I think. And the whole open Linux-based smartphone idea at Nokia died as well.

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    4. Re:Specs and price and ordering by vyvepe · · Score: 2

      Isn't Nokia N9 (with MeeGo) a good enough successor? It definitely can be bought now (at least in EU).

    5. Re:Specs and price and ordering by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      Plus with my last experience with OpenMoko, making a phone call was still on their to-do list.

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    6. Re:Specs and price and ordering by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2

      You mean, will that keyboard fit in your pocket?

      yes

  2. And you can even 3D-print your own case! by slyon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I reworked the original Openmoko CAD files, to be 3D-printable. Checkout my work here: http://blog.slyon.de/3d-printed-gta04-case/

  3. Ugly... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2

    The screen seems kind of small for a Smart Phone, and the case is definitely ugly-ass... Couldn't they have made the case a bit more, er, cool? Or did they have to design it that way to avoid Apple design patents?

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    1. Re:Ugly... by jonwil · · Score: 2

      I don't know how the hardware works but I bet its possible to come up with a better looking case that still fits the PCB and I bet it might be possible to use a larger (but still pin compatible) LCD screen (although that depends whether the touchscreen and LCD controllers on the GAT04 PCB are compatible with the newer touchscreen you choose to use)

    2. Re:Ugly... by justforgetme · · Score: 2

      not to mention that you would have to print a custom case to house the new interfaces... GD are apparently trying to be as open as they can but I think they should try a bit more to enable their potential buyers by offering solutions for custom cases or general help on how to get it done efficiently and end up with high quality hw. Maybe they should partner up with some high quality touchscreen, display and battery manufacturers and suggest solutions for generating your own high quality custom components (buttons, cases) with multiple materials (plastics, metals, wood?).

      I know some people who can afford it and would definitely go for a self tailored phone if they could make it happen with one or two couple k€.

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  4. I wish it had a keyboard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was happy enough with my N800, but the N810 and N900 spoiled me, so now my N9 sucks. If this had a keyboard, I'd have already signed up.

    Still, I wonder if it can be conjoined with one of those bluetooth strap-on keyboards for iPhones...

    1. Re:I wish it had a keyboard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Who knew Apple customers used strap-ons?

  5. This is a wonderful idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's also 1,000 dollars.

    I'm interested and supportive, but not enough to shell out a grand.

    I'm guessing they're targeting the independently-wealthy geeks sympathetic to open-source and open hardware standards who don't mind having a second phone or don't care about app marketplaces and such.... Wait a second, who is going to buy this phone?

    1. Re:This is a wonderful idea by thsths · · Score: 2

      > I wish they'd provide an easy-to-install version of the software for some mass-market phone.

      Why that? You can already install CM in for example ZTE Blade, which has no restrictions in the boot loader or radio. Drivers are a bit of an issue, but the hardware is actually quite ok, if maybe a bit slow. But most of all it only sets you back 100 to 200 currency units.

    2. Re:This is a wonderful idea by thsths · · Score: 2

      PS: In case that isn't clear, I wonder what OpenMoko provides that CM doesn't. I am not aware of any advantage, and certainly not one worth hundreds.

  6. All right! by Mathness · · Score: 2

    I can finally play GTA on my Apple computer? Awesome. :p

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  7. Re:Golden Delicious?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Golden Delicious is a variety of apples

  8. Re:Golden Delicious?! by KDR_11k · · Score: 3, Funny

    A variety known for being pretty (thus easy to sell) but quite tasteless.

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  9. Achievement by BlueLightning · · Score: 2

    After meeting some of the people involved at FOSDEM this year I've joined the group buy for this device. It's a little on the expensive side, to be sure, but I joined not just because I would like the device itself but because I think they deserve support. It's pretty amazing that a small company such as theirs have been able to put together a working phone with most of the features you expect - sure it's not going to be the next iPhone killer, but it does have reasonable specs. I'm sure they had a lot of fun doing it as well, and I look forward to the opportunity to play with the hardware.

    I'd encourage anyone who still has an older Neo1973 / Freerunner and who can spare the money to do the same.

  10. Damnit! by sgt+scrub · · Score: 2

    Golden Delicious offers a Debian Squeeze for ARMEL distribution featuring the lightweight LXDE desktop environment.

    I wish I had $800 bucks to spend. :(

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  11. Re:Golden Delicious?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Are we talking about food, or, Apple products here?

  12. Simplify features, Drop price, Get geeks on board by Qubit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do all of those things first, and for a price under $100, and you can establish a solid community of geeks willing to pay for a phone w/Open Hardware.

    Here's the deal: I really want to encourage and support the OpenMoko folks, but with the original Freerunner I just couldn't justify buying something that didn't have even solid telephony features, didn't have much battery life, and wasn't in a price range I could even afford (as a student).

    Look, all the geeks know that we don't have all of the parts figured out yet, and last I heard Welte is still working on the first fully-FOSS GSM stack, so it's not just as simple as putting the pieces together and selling enough units to hit your $100, 200, or 500 target price. But the thing is that $100 is a small enough number that I and most of the full-time-employed geek crowd out there can probably justify getting a v0.1 TotallyOpenPhone each year for the next 3-5 years. But we've got to convince both ourselves and our significant others (for those of us who have been consed) that this is a good or at least not-bad decision.

    So how do we convince ourselves? Easy -- we say that this 2nd GSM phone can serve as a "backup" for our first phone, you know, if anything happens to it, or if we accidentally drop it down a flight of concrete stairs or drop it into the churn while making fresh butter in the morning (I don't care what Kilgore thinks; the smell of fresh butter is much better than napalm). This logic is excellent; it works even better the less you think about it.

    ARMed with our bullet-proof logic, we can now easily divest our pocketbooks of $100 and hand it over to whoever is brave/smart/crazy enough to make a run of Open-Hardware phones. We give them the money now, and then -- here's the genius part -- we tell them that there's more where that came from, if they make us a better phone next year. If it's a much better phone with many more features, we might consider paying $150 or $200 for it, but we let them know that what will allow us to buy it (remember that part where we lied...umm... convinced ourselves that it was a good idea?) is the requirement that it be a solid, low-cost device.

    $1000 is just way, way too high a price for a product like this. Unless there's a solid strategy to drastically cut the price of the phone each year over the next 3-5 years, I just can't see enough product shipping to make the business sustainable. And we really, REALLY do want it to be sustainable. We don't just want one Open Hardware Phone. We want to see competition and innovation. We want to see a marketplace of Open Hardware.

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  13. Re:It's annoying when people by Abreu · · Score: 2

    Yeah, but "Granny Smith" gives it a wrong idea...

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  14. Re:It's annoying when people by hawkinspeter · · Score: 2

    How about "Cox"?

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