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Hungary's Needy Given Money to Burn

Knowing that ideas are a dime a dozen and eager to think outside the box, Hungary's central bank is burning old currency to help the needy. The bank has found that the 40-50 tons of currency that needs to be burned every year is a blessing in disguise for people caught between a rock and a hard place due to the extreme cold sweeping across Europe.

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  1. Up in smoke by powerlord · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Watched the video. Not sure how much energy it takes to process the currency into briquets, but it is certainly one of the most innovative "Recycling" programs I've seen, and from the looks of it, one that actually benefits all parties involved (Central Bank gets to destroy old currency, Poor get free fuel).

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    1. Re:Up in smoke by icebike · · Score: 2

      Not sure how much energy it takes to process the currency into briquets, but it is certainly one of the most innovative "Recycling" programs I've seen, and from the looks of it, one that actually benefits all parties involved (Central Bank gets to destroy old currency, Poor get free fuel).

      I doubt it takes more energy to process to briquets than they were already using to dispose of this stuff. In fact I suspect they are using off the shelf industrial grade shredder/balers that are already in use in places like military bases and embassies (and other high security sites) have to burn the waste on-site. These machines have metal separation built in so what you get is paper and plastic out. (Or in this case just paper).

      There are commercial grade shredder/balers that make rather small bales, and I imagine some specialty machines do smaller bales for small incinerator burning.

      Once shredded, its just paper, its not currency any more, and this program could be extended to millions of tons on other government paper as well.

      Two things to consider:
      First: Is burning waste paper in uncontrolled incineration (home stoves) really a wise approach to recycling? The pollution effects of thousands of chimnies spewing smoke and smoldering embers onto roof tops is worrisome.

      Second: Some countries (maybe not Hungary) have special papers used in their currency. (little blue and red threads in US, other special plastics used in Australia, etc). You don't want tons of this stuff roaming around for counterfeiters to pick up for free off of the back of a truck.

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    2. Re:Up in smoke by gknoy · · Score: 2

      Well, presumably they'd be burning wood or paper in those stoves anyway, so I doubt it makes a difference whether the fuel used to be money.

    3. Re:Up in smoke by powerlord · · Score: 4, Insightful

      [rhetorical]Is the shredding/compaction process along with the delivery by trucks and collection by individual citizens truly superior to simply sending the unprocessed notes off to be burned in great, big boilers to generate steam-powered electricity for wider, cheaper distribution of power?[/rhetorical]

      I know you said rhetorical, so you probably know the answer, but:

      Sure, burning it in one place for power generation would probably be a more efficient use of the "disposable cash", assuming that is the problem they are trying to solve. In this case though the problem is: "We have these poor people who are freezing in the winter." and someone else noticed "Hey, we're going to burn this used money we took out of circulation. If we can process it a little more, maybe we can give it away to the poor and kill two birds with one 1,000 Euro brick."

      Doesn't make it the MOST efficient way of doing things, just a better use of the resources they had available.

      To make everyone happy, those who disapprove of the solution can complain that "They just keep throwing money at the problem and expect it to go away".

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  2. Why not? by Hamsterdan · · Score: 2

    If it just got T-Boned, it might make a delicious meal

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  3. Re:Yeah...thanks, I guess by RazzleFrog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Providing wood or coal would be an extra cost to the government. If they already have the paper and are already destroying it why not compress it into a useful brick for burning. I'd imagine it wouldn't burn that fast if compressed enough.

  4. Depressing by CryptDemon · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't help but think of how depressed I would be with the irony if I were in this situation. I'm so poor and don't have money, but the government was kind enough to bring some to me and let me watch it burn.

    1. Re:Depressing by RazzleFrog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think it would be more depressing to know they are burning the money somewhere else and I am still cold. I mean the currency at that point has no real value and putting it back into circulation would cause insane inflation. This is really the best possible outcome.

    2. Re:Depressing by Amorymeltzer · · Score: 2

      Oddly cruel. It is a bit like letting homeless people crowd around a burning house instead of demolishing it. I imagine they see a lot of tears there.

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    3. Re:Depressing by d3ac0n · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not really.

      If you watch the video you will see that they aren't giving out stacks of bills in bank bands, but rather shredded note stock compressed into highly dense bricks and mortared together with a flammable medium.

      According to the video they burn with roughly the same intensity as brown coal (AKA: Lignite). It's not the greatest fuel ever, but in a country where most homes are still heated by either steam boilers or coal/wood burning stoves, it's an acceptable alternative to either re-circulating the notes and causing hyperinflation (thus worsening the poor's problems by many times over) or having the poor denude the countryside looking for wood to burn. Hungary controls it's money supply AND the poor get free fuel to get them through the winter. Sounds like a good deal to me.

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    4. Re:Depressing by Zaatxe · · Score: 2

      They are not "burning money", they are "burning bills". Ask an economist the difference.

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  5. Re:Yeah...thanks, I guess by DustPuppySnr · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Our examination showed that the heating properties of these shredded currency briquettes are similar to brown coal so they are pretty useful for heating and resolve the problem to find fuel."

  6. Re:Shades of Depression-era Germany by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Absolutely. this image immediately came to mind.

  7. FWIW... by KingAlanI · · Score: 3, Informative

    FWIW, this is apparently about destroying old worn out bills, a routine practice, as opposed to inflation gone wild

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  8. Re:Shades of Depression-era Germany by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not really a great analogy.

    Firstly, any government can build a mandate partially on dubious slogans. There's already plenty of people in the US who want compensation against the ills brought onto them by conspiring bankers, so a party that adopted that mandate would probably be radical, but at least get some votes.

    Secondly, just because the fellas are burning money doesn't mean they are burning money like Germany. Any central bank destroys money each year when the money is too old to use. Bills deteriorate, become obsolete due to no security features etc. Hungary's inflation has been around 3-4% for several years so no need to fear hyperinflation just yet.

  9. Re:Shades of Depression-era Germany by nedlohs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sure if you ignore that they are the exact opposite situations.

    One is burning currency because the government is printing so much that it's worthless.

    the other is burning currency because the government doesn't want to increase the supply of currency (and hence make it worthless) as it produces new notes.

  10. There is a more obvious source of fuel by ScentCone · · Score: 2
    If we just stacked up, like cordwood , everyone who strings together things like this...

    a blessing in disguise for people caught between a rock and a hard place

    ...and burned them, the poor could be warmer, and the world would be instantly improved. I mean, not as much as if we were to make Soylent Green out of everybody who can't mange to distinguish between "loose" and "lose" - but, baby steps.

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  11. Re:Is that what I think it is? by denzacar · · Score: 2

    You shouldn't have skipped the part at 0:26 then.
    The part where in the background a woman gives a young man, who clearly displays a lack of concentration and of motoric skills, a basketball to hold up in the air while leading him in a walk on a raised platform of some kind.
    I'm guessing the platform is a bench and they are doing a balance exercise.

    That might have clued you in that the room is a small gym.

    Then again, since your prejudice prevented you from realizing that on your own, seeing there is a girl led through the same exercise in the very frame you chose to present - there is this part a couple of seconds earlier.

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  12. Like the old saying goes... by jimmydigital · · Score: 2

    Provide a man with fire and he keeps warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm the rest of his life. Something.. something.. something.. soviet Russia.

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  13. Re:Well, Hungary, you asked for capitalism... by frist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oh please. As a 1st gen immigrant from Romania, an eastern european soviet block country crushed by first the Nazis and then the Soviets, capitalism as done in the US is a godsend compared to the bullshit of Marxism. What you have in Russia and Romania is the result of years of devastating communism, where there is no incentive to work, everyone steals from their employer (the state). The same people are in power now as before, they're just "capitalists" by name. I have family that went back after the revolution and tried to help the country, start businesses, teach etc. They got stolen blind because of the same attitudes that had been forged into the soul of the people by communism.

    Never mind that I had relatives in prison tortured because my family wouldn't join the communist party. My mother told me about when she was being appointed to her first job, how she wanted to request to be in a different location so she went to the hearing and a married couple went first. They were stationed (the govt picks where you work in that system of govt by the way) over a hundred kilometers apart. They had no car. They had a child. They requested to be posted closer together. The govt presiding officer told the woman - eh you can find another man in your new village. After a few similar cases my mom just left without a hearing.

    Go back to your dear Russia and take your communism bullshit with you. Never again you fucks and take your fucking KGB putin and his fucks with you. Thank God for the US. The main regret of the Romanian people and the cause of so much horror there was that the US didn't take over and instead gave Romania to you Russian bastards.

  14. So Hungary has only 10 poor people? by pla · · Score: 2

    TFA says that the money briquettes have a comparable energy to "brown coal" (aka Lignite), or about 2/3rds the energy of "normal" anthracite coal.

    Heating a house in the US Northeast with anthracite takes between three and six tons per year.

    So a mere 40-50 tons? Even keeping the house so cold you can see your breath, the amount of these briquettes they need to get rid of will, quite seriously, only heat 10-15 homes.

    I truly applaud the vast improvement over burning their retired currency as mere waste, but this has zero impact on keeping a nation's poor from freezing to death in the winter.

  15. Re:Well, Hungary, you asked for capitalism... by Whiteox · · Score: 2

    Agree. Similar things happened with the Birds ;), but it was worse in Romania.
    However I can't accept the fact that a lot of the Eastern block countries are finding it so hard to create a democratic government. I think a lot of the older population still yearn for the security of the old system - so my aunt tells me.

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  16. Re:Well, Hungary, you asked for capitalism... by andyteleco · · Score: 2

    As a descendant of a Hungarian family your comment makes me want to puke. Your beloved USSR is THE cause that Eastern countries today have the enormous debt they are struggling to somehow repay. For decades the country was kept up (bordering misery) on sovereign debt.

    Of course capitalism isn't going to solve everything overnight, and is still quite shitty for many people who have kept the communist attitude of "daddy state will provide".

    And I won't even get started on the rampant lack of any basic liberty or human rights which was the norm at the time. My family was stripped of the lands and other possessions which they had earned through hard work because they were tagged as "dirty capitalists".

    True, capitalism sucks, but it's still the less bad system anyone has discovered.