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In Hot Water: The Effects of Even Modern Nuke Plants On Water

Harperdog writes "Dawn Stover has a fascinating article on the newest nuclear power plant to get approval: the Blue Castle Project on the Green River in Utah. Stover details the enormous damage done by nuke plants on local water systems, and points out that the 1-2 punch of climate change and cooling systems is already taking a toll on the ability of nuclear power plants to operate, because in summer the water they use to cool systems with is too hot even before they use it (Tennessee Valley Authority is the example). "

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  1. Re:There are other options I guess by sakdoctor · · Score: 4, Informative

    Point i) is a thermodynamics fail.

  2. Almost right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Water used in steam turbines is distilled water - as few particulates as possible at they will erode the turbine into junk.

    The heat source heats water into steam to drive the turbines. That water is then cooled by external water before being returned to the heat source.

    The external water may be pass through or recycled, but it never ever gets to the turbines.

    And water really doesn't expand during heating (under 1%) until it boils and becomes vapor.

  3. Re:Should read "power plants", not "nuclear plants by Rich0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Keep in mind those same laws of thermodynamics dictate that the larger the temperature difference, the higher the efficiency. Now, temperature isn't the same thing as heat, so that doesn't automatically put limits on small-scale operations. However, in practice it tends to do so. Generating high temperatures in a huge furnace is a lot easier than doing it in a small one, which is why a coal plant is more efficient than a car engine.

  4. Re:But hydro power *cools* rivers, can't they offs by rthille · · Score: 4, Informative

    The trouble is that dammed rivers are (at least in CA) generally warmer over all (due to lower flows and a larger heating surface on the surface of the lake). Then you do a release from the dam (bottom of the lake) and dump a bunch of frigid water into the stream. Huge temperature swings for the organisms to deal with.

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  5. Re:Doesn't matter by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yup, the French make prolific use of cooling towers in order to reduce thermal impact on rivers.

    Also keep in mind that this affects coal plants just as much as nuke plants, and will also affect combined cycle natural gas plants that use steam for a bottom cycle.

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  6. Re:Doesn't matter by jbengt · · Score: 5, Informative

    The ironic thing about this situation is that the entire problem could be solved (especially for newer reactors) by building cooling towers rather than using rivers for cooling.

    Uh, no. Even if I hadn't RTFA I'd know you are wrong. Cooling towers are built to cool the water through evaporation, and said evaporation (and blowdown) of the proposed "closed-loop" cooling system is what TFA was complaining about, since none of the water taken would be returned to the river.
    Also, a lot of cooling towers are built precisely to cool the used river water before returning it to the river, so, because of evaporation, they not only return less water to the river than taken, because the river is lower temperature than the typical ambient wet bulb temperature, what they return is warmer than the river (unless you had a really unusually hot river).

  7. Re:Doesn't matter by The_Wilschon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Are you aware that agiculture is also a "consumptive" use of water, and to an enormously greater degree than nuclear power generation?

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