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Sony Raises Price of Whitney Houston's Music 30 Minutes After Death

First time accepted submitter M.Nunez writes "Just 30 minutes after Whitney Houston died, Sony Music raised the price of Houston's greatest hits album, 'Ultimate Collection,' on iTunes and Amazon. Many technologists, including chairman of the NY Tech Meetup Andrew Rasiej, suggests that Sony should be boycotted for the move. In a tweet, Rasiej wrote, 'Geez Sony raised price on Whitney Houston's music 30 min after death was announced. #FAIL...We should boycott Sony.'"

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  1. Silly Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bunch of f-ing assholes.

  2. So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Tacky? Sure. Taking advantage of the situation? Yup. But they have a right to make money for their product.

    When an artists dies, many people rush right out to purchase that artist's work. It's as if people think they suddenly won't be able to get it again now that the artist is dead.

  3. NOW we should boycott them? by GodBlessTexas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've been boycotting them for years, starting with their rootkits on CDs, which should have been charged as a criminal act.

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  4. We should boycott only now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This article is assuming we shouldn't have been boycotting Sony already.
    Silly people... why do they need so much time to learn?

    1. Re:We should boycott only now? by sjames · · Score: 2, Insightful

      At least vultures have the decency to wait till the body is cold.

    2. Re:We should boycott only now? by justforgetme · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As for "decency", how do you know this wasn't an automated price setting based on number of purchases, in which case the ones to blame are the hyenas who rushed to the scene to buy the music of someone they never gave a fuck about when she lived?

      Somehow making my point there, Sony might well be a tumor of humanity but still this practice is nothing anyone should be ashamed of. The people who liked her music had her music. They didn't need her to die in order to buy it. This is classical herd tax every other idiot has to pay because he wants to be "part of the moment".

      Why was this noise posted in the first place?

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    3. Re:We should boycott only now? by omnichad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You missed a LOT in economics. Economies of scale only matter when two companies are competing on the same product. Most things are priced based on what the market will bear. That is, prices are set as high as they can as long as people still buy it and the companies can maximize their profits. If dropping the price by 20% gives you 3x sales, then you do it. But if dropping the price just gives you less revenue, you'll not find many companies doing that. That is the basis of capitalism.

      Sony can create artificial scarcity whenever they want as the sole supplier. You see the same thing when the price of oil skyrockets due to oil-producing companies stockpiling and withholding product from the market.

  5. Re:Price fixing... by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since when is it illegal to price your product to make as much of a profit as possible? (That's not what's generally meant by "price fixing," by the way.)

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  6. Re:Price fixing... by J'raxis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If a company charges too much, they're guilty of "price gouging."
    If they charge too little, they're guilty of "dumping."
    If they charge the same as their competitors, they're guilty of "price fixing."

    Welcome to the "free market."

  7. Understandable by Sigvatr · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If I was a major shareholder at Sony, I would have done the exact same thing. And you would have too. I don't know what the big deal is about.

  8. Re:Tasteless by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The glory of Sony died with the MiniDisk Walman. This company is just an empty shell of what was once a positive household name for many geeks and nerds alike. As they say. Nothing lasts forever. Not even a reputation.

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  9. According to SONY it was a mistake by VinylRecords · · Score: 5, Insightful

    http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/14/sony-says-price-of-2-whitney-houston-albums-was-raised-by-mistake/

    According to the NYTimes the price raising was a mistake that only affected the UK Itunes store and nothing else. So of all the retailers and online shops only one was affected, Itunes, and only one region, the UK. If SONY wanted to capitalize on her death they likely would have raised prices across the board and just not the UK Itunes shop.

    This probably was an error. Someone assigned to managing SONY's UK Itunes account royally fucked up by changing the price. And now it is basically a PR disaster because even though it likely was an accident SONY looks absolutely retarded. Someone will lose his or her job over this for sure.

    Sadly I'm sure that some sneering fuck CEO from the RIAA or MAFIAA or SONY or whatever is sitting on his throne thinking of ways to capitalize on Whitney Houston's death without taking a major PR hit. They see her death as basically an opportunity for a lot of profit and a great time to line their pockets.

    1. Re:According to SONY it was a mistake by ganjadude · · Score: 3, Insightful

      yeah ok.. im sure it was more like this

      sony execs - lets raise the prices in 1 area, see what happens
      br wait, the backlash is huge, lets blame a rogue employee and not raise it in the rest of the country...success!

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  10. Re:Price fixing... by thisnamestoolong · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, but there was dickishness on an epic scale. What they did is clearly legal, but absurdly scummy. A boycott would be a very appropriate measure.

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  11. Re:Tasteless by Rockoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Businesses arent supposed to "benefit society."

    You have misplaced a tenet of capitalism, that trade benefits those involved, with this idea of "benefiting society."

    If Sony is charging more than you would like to spend on a product, then dont buy it. Welcome to freedom of choice. If you dont trade, then neither of you are harmed. If you do trade, then we can only assume that you were happy to do so because you have free choice.

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  12. Re:Sony won't be around for much longer by geminidomino · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It can be argued (rather convincingly, IMO) that the problem with "economics 101" is that, by and large, #1 is a grossly incorrect premise.

  13. Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sony is a profit-oriented corporation

    Their mission is to make profit

    Whitney Houston's death was a chance for Sony to make more money, so they took it

    I really can't blame Sony for doing such a thing, even when it's kind of bad taste

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    1. Re:Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by necro81 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I really can't blame Sony for doing such a thing, even when it's kind of bad taste

      While it may be the job of a company, as an entity, to make money, the company is made of individuals that still ought to be directed by some semblance of common decency. But group thinking can have a powerful effect on the weak-minded, so I suppose one could have seen this coming.

      So I'll still blame them, as individuals, for being cold-hearted assholes. I just won't be surprised that, collectively, they were just doing their job for the company.

    2. Re:Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's probably some slave traders who need a good PR man. They're just profit oriented people, who can blame them for taking the opportunity to make more money when it presents itself.

      I certainly CAN blame them, because it IS in bad taste.They didn't have a gun at their heads, the soulless suits made a conscious decision to behave repulsively.

    3. Re:Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by EdIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      possibly her grandchildren down the road

      Not if copyright laws had any sanity in them.

    4. Re:Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Shrewd businesses will take the occasional loss in order to foster a loyal customer base.

      While I can't argue with the above quote, I need to state that in the case of Sony hiking the price of Whitney Houston CD just after the news of Whitney Houston's death is this:

      When you buy a music CD --- that is, if anyone still buy music CDs nowadays, but that's another story altogether --- would you buy a CD just because it is produced by Sony?

      Loyalty doesn't play (and pay) in this case, my dear friend

      People don't buy music CD just because it was produced by so-and-so corporation, but they buy because they like the songs

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    5. Re:Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Her children and grandchildren should have to earn a living, just like everybody else. Nothing in being the offspring of someone famous merits a free ride.

    6. Re:Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      IF you are going to fight, don't use terms like:
      " disney copyright"
      "0.000001% of the profites showing up in the checkbook"

      you sound like a loon, and won't be taken seriously. You can say it shouldn't matter, and you would be correct.But it DOES matter. And changing that is a different fight.

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    7. Re:Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by Nyder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One might suggest it's the people who wouldn't pay for Whitney Houston's music until after she died who were doing something "in bad taste". So much for supporting artists while they're sitll alive.

      Buying her music when she was alive was supporting her crack addiction.

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    8. Re:Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by Phat_Tony · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You have this exactly reversed, and the world would be a better place if you and more people in busnesses would recognize this. In economic theory, if consumers care how they are treated and whether businesses behave ethically, they punish corporations for doing the wrong thing, creating the economic incentive for corporations to behave ethically. The idea that corporations are mandated by capitalism to behave unethically in the pursuit of profits, even if behaving unethically is ultimately bad for profits, comes up all the time here on Slashdot and never makes any sense.

      In this case this will be a public image nightmare for Sony. They spend millions and millions on advertising to try to improve their corporate image and make people think favorably of them, and this just cost them a ludicrous amount. They were already going to make a killing off Whitney Houston's death, with no downside. Now in an attempt to bump up short term cash-flow by some amount irrelevant to their bottom line, they are shooting themselves in the foot. They already have an image problem, but more people are going to understand this than a rootkit. If internal management is any goods, heads will roll over this decision, and if it isn't, it's one more sign Sony is doomed.

      If you were a merciless investor, would seeing this news item make you think Sony stock has a bright future? If not, then it means it's bad for them and a mistake, that behaving unethically is moving them towards being a defunct corporation, not securing their economic future. That would be my bet.

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    9. Re:Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by Wattos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One might suggest it's the people who wouldn't pay for Whitney Houston's music until after she died who were doing something "in bad taste". So much for supporting artists while they're sitll alive.

      Not really no. People do not buy her music because she died. People buy her music now because her death has been given a lot of media attention (as it usually is with deaths of celebrities) and :

      a) some people are too young to have known this music and just discover it now
      b) some people have somply forgotten how good her music was

      This is really a turd move from a turd of a company

    10. Re:Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by metacell · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The idea that corporations are mandated by capitalism to behave unethically in the pursuit of profits, even if behaving unethically is ultimately bad for profits, comes up all the time here on Slashdot and never makes any sense.

      Corporations tend to think fairly short-term, at most a few years into the future. If the badwill accumulates slowly over time, but the profit from unethical behaviour comes immediately, it'd explain why corporations would keep doing unethical things that are ultimately unprofitable.

    11. Re:Sony is a Profit-Oriented Corporation by GreatBunzinni · · Score: 5, Insightful

      IF you are going to fight, don't use terms like:
      " disney copyright"
      "0.000001% of the profites showing up in the checkbook"

      you sound like a loon, and won't be taken seriously. You can say it shouldn't matter, and you would be correct.But it DOES matter. And changing that is a different fight.

      Johann Lau does not "sound like a loon", nor is he wrong. USA's Copyright Term Extension Act is known as Mickey Mouse Protection Act,for being notoriously pushed by Disney, whose main purpose was to avoid Disney's earlier work to go into public domain. And if you are trying to claim that Johann Lau is a loon for stating that fact then, before that, you must accuse Lawrence Lessig of being also a loon, and a bigger loon as wel, as he publicly made that very same assertion regarding Disney's copyright.

      And regarding the percentage of profits that actually go to the artist, music industry insiders such as Steve Albini already already explained quite well how the music industry actually works.

      So, you are either a Sony shill, trying to astroturf some damage control here on slashdot, or you are incredibly out of touch with reality, factually wrong on multiple accounts and simply an idiot.

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  14. Re:Tasteless by Genda · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know, I'm getting a little sick and tired of all these self obsessed, narcissistic, machiavellian, amoral masses of motile human excrement turning the world into an ontological toilet. We live in a free society, but this lowest common denominator crap is just becoming a simple excuse to be free of social responsibility, dignity, compassion or accountability for one's own actions. True freedom implies taking responsibility for a complex world of interactions where the price of your freedom is responsibility for the freedom of those around you. All take and no give, is the beginning of a free-for-all that ends in a stinking dung heap where a workable society once stood. Maybe its time to teach ethics to our children so perhaps they avoid the stupid mistakes we're making?

  15. Re:Price fixing... by Fned · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "supply and demand" isn't a very useful descriptive tool when the supply is infinite and valueless. More like, "access control and demand"...

  16. Re:If you want to support an artist ... by Capt.+Skinny · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who's benefiting?

    Presumably, the person buying the album. I didn't buy a sandwich today to support the restaurant owner, I bought it because I was hungry and thought it would taste good.

  17. BULLSHIT by ganjadude · · Score: 3, Insightful

    sounds like a good coput to me. How convenient that it was a "rogue employee" that just happened to raise the prices of a singer who died only 30 minutes earlier... im sorry, I simply dont believe it. If it was someone other than sony, I MIGHT believe it, but coming from sony, after the past mistakes, I simply cannot believe that excuse. They got called out for doing something dickish, and they are tyring to save face.

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  18. Re:They meant well by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, that is always my favorite story about the record industry. Talk about shooting the goose that lays the golden eggs. When Foggerty realized how ripped off he was by his record company, he asked/demanded a renegotiated contract. Their answer was, "This contract is legally binding. We don't have to change it. You're stuck with it." Think how much more money they could have made if he had continued writing songs and performing with CCR if they had been willing to renegotiate a fair contract with him. There are probably even ways that they could have spun it to make it seem like they weren't really trying to take advantage of him. "Well, there are a lot of costs involved in bringing a young act along and not every act ever pays back that initial investment. I completely forgot that we still had you under a startup act contract. Let's renegotiate to better terms for you."

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