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DARPA Researches Avatar Surrogates

kgeiger writes "Feeling blue? DARPA is funding a program to investigate the feasibility of battlefield cyborg-surrogates: 'In its 2012 budget, DARPA has decided to pour US $7 million into the 'Avatar Project,' whose goal is the following: "develop interfaces and algorithms to enable a soldier to effectively partner with a semi-autonomous bi-pedal machine and allow it to act as the soldier's surrogate."' Power and bandwidth constraints aside, what could go wrong? Chinese hackers swooping in and commandeering one's army?"

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  1. pour US $7 million? by dj245 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The government doesn't pour $7 million. They dish it out with an eyedropper.

    Not that $7 million isn't a lot of money for you and me, but for the US government it is a rounding error.

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    1. Re:pour US $7 million? by slartibartfastatp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The movie "Avatar" costed half a billion dollars - 7 millions seems too low a budget to make it real.

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    2. Re:pour US $7 million? by wed128 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Why is this disparity between research and entertainment true????

      Who's money is it? that's why.

    3. Re:pour US $7 million? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why is this disparity between research and entertainment true????

      How is making a movie and R&D'ing a technology Apples to Apples enough for this to be worthy of so many question marks?

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  2. Rick Santorvm - in MMXII by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    He will set the country on the path to freedom from religious persecution and return us to our rightful place in God's plan. Eliminate the government and all those who stand in the way of worship of our rightful, true Ruler. The crimes that are performed in the name of our current governmental system, including but not limited to murder of innocent children, forcing citizens to pay for products they don't want, driving our society into unrecoverable debt that our children (if they aren't aborted) will never be able to repay, placing women in harms' way and outside of the role evolution has trained them for as mother and caregiver, stifling business under the guise and heavy hand of global warming, raising taxes on those of us who are successful, teaching our precious children ridiculous theories that men were once apes and spontaneously changed into what we are today, and attempting to diverge from the Christian principles that our forefathers observed and that this country was founded upon. We need to return to His holy way, and remove the heathens from our path, if necessary, by force. It's time to stopping giving away our children's inheritance to lazy jobless people and Godless welfare cases. It's time we took back our economy and this country.

    1. Re:Rick Santorvm - in MMXII by lucm · · Score: 4, Funny

      He will set the country on the path to freedom from religious persecution and return us to our rightful place in God's plan. Eliminate the government and all those who stand in the way of worship of our rightful, true Ruler. The crimes that are performed in the name of our current governmental system, including but not limited to murder of innocent children, forcing citizens to pay for products they don't want, driving our society into unrecoverable debt that our children (if they aren't aborted) will never be able to repay, placing women in harms' way and outside of the role evolution has trained them for as mother and caregiver, stifling business under the guise and heavy hand of global warming, raising taxes on those of us who are successful, teaching our precious children ridiculous theories that men were once apes and spontaneously changed into what we are today, and attempting to diverge from the Christian principles that our forefathers observed and that this country was founded upon. We need to return to His holy way, and remove the heathens from our path, if necessary, by force. It's time to stopping giving away our children's inheritance to lazy jobless people and Godless welfare cases. It's time we took back our economy and this country.

      Who would have thought Noam Chomsky would one day post on Slashdot

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    2. Re:Rick Santorvm - in MMXII by Beelzebud · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I was on the fence about Obama, but watching the Republican side show and sealed the deal for me. You guys are fucking nuts.

    3. Re:Rick Santorvm - in MMXII by idontgno · · Score: 5, Informative

      Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of fundamentalism that someone won't mistake for the real thing.

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    4. Re:Rick Santorvm - in MMXII by Beelzebud · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'll take the flawed man that is Obama, to a religious huckster like Rick Santorum any day of the week.

  3. Not Avatar by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Informative

    Surrogates. Bruce Willis does more than just destroy asteroids!

    Avatar had live sentient animals being grown and controlled by humans. In Surrogates, they're robots, and surrogacy starts on the battlefield.

    Good SF movie, I don't know why it's so unknown.

  4. Forever Peace by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 5, Informative

    And halfway in between is Joe Haldeman's Forever Peace. In the novel, soldiers use mechanical body surrogates which have the bizarre side effect of linking all senses of the team members as if it were a single organism. It's a good read. We can already see, hear and launch weapons from drone platforms and this is just the early stage of remote piloting.

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  5. Not just WAR but also SPACE by wisebabo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here's a submission I sent a few days ago about humanoid television-robots making the first handshake in space (on the ISS).

    wisebabo writes

    "As long as we are still in debt to the Chinese and can't afford an ambitious space program, we should be developing THESE (humanoid telerobots). Just get the astronaut NEAR the Moon or Mars (or someday Titan!) and operate these without that stupid speed-of-light time delay. A huge proportion of the weight and complexity of going to these places is that last 100 miles so while times are lean this is the way to go.

    Maybe James Cameron can be persuaded to do a pre-quel of Avatar, unfortunately I don't think he'll find a planet full of sexy tele-robots!"

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  6. What can go wrong... by mark-t · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... ironically, is that soldiers will not be risking their lives in the field of combat.

    Not that I am advocating soldiers dying per se, but if a cause is not worth dying for, then why is it worth going to war for in the first place? If one is prepared to kill their fellow man for whatever cause they might believe in, however true, and however noble, and however right, but they themselves are not prepared to die in the name of that same cause, then their so-called virtuous beliefs are nothing but hollow claims.

    Nothing of any real worth or value has ever been achieved without making some sacrifice... and it is the virtue of the people who *have* made such sacrifices that gives us that much more a profound appreciation for the victory that was gained by it.

    Take that away, and war becomes just a pointless exercise in killing... without purpose, and maybe even without end.

    This is a bad idea.

    1. Re:What can go wrong... by thesandtiger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're assuming that the nature and meaning of "war" wouldn't undergo a fundamental shift if people weren't dying during it.

      Lots of things are, essentially, "war" where people don't die. Apple and Samsung are engaged in a "war" against each other - they're both hoping to take something from the other by coercion, even if that isn't physical coercion.

      Being able to "wage war" where stuff, rather than people, die would be huge. I'd much rather throw away stuff than people any day.

      Also, I dispute entirely your belief that somehow we have a more profound appreciation for things that people have died for. In fact, I dare say that the fact that when people die in wars and other people use it for cheap political theater shows just how shallow the "appreciation" is.

      Look, for example, at the whole "support our troops" thing as it happened with Iraq and Afghanistan: Some people used the deaths of troops to support a kind of "sunk cost" fallacy about dead soldiers, other people used it to say that their political opponents were politically bankrupt, other people used it as a club to beat up those they felt weren't appropriately patriotic, others used it to profit from selling shitty yellow ribbon magnets and Chinese-made American flags, and on and on.

      Yet, when it comes to doing things that *actually* matter - taking care of injured veterans and helping their families - it's just *crickets* *crickets* when these men and women come home and need some help because of what they've left "over there." Veterans make up a disproportionate number of homeless - I dare say that if we had a "more profound appreciation" for the sacrifices made in war that wouldn't be the case because we wouldn't, as a society *let* it be the case.

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  7. holy fucking crap. by Johann+Lau · · Score: 5, Funny

    with the kind of presidents the USA churns out, is "it could be hacked" *really* the first thing that comes to mind when you ponder what could go wrong? how about this, it might NOT get hacked, and offer even more potential to murder and maim even more people with even less inhibitions, politically as well as on the level of individual soldiers? we had nintendo pilots for a long time. now there'll be nintendo grunts. fucking great. and the princess is STILL in another castle.

    but oh noes, the chinese. you are so lost.

  8. Re:Jaming and lag by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is DARPA. They don't even raise the question of "practicality" when they do projects like this, they just ask "can it be done at all?" These are the same people who build flying tanks. Is it practical? Almost certainly no. Is it cool and possibly practical in the future? Maybe, but we won't know until we try.

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  9. War as a video game by Whatanut · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If they continue down this path they will mostly just turn war into a big video game. All the real people will be locked up in a bunker somewhere controlling their avatars and such.

    So, then the question becomes this: Why not just settle disputes by actually playing video games. You lose at starcraft, you lose your country. Seems like the natural progression...

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