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Commercial Drones Taking To the Skies

An anonymous reader sends this excerpt from the NY Times: "A new federal law, signed by the president on Tuesday, compels the Federal Aviation Administration to allow drones to be used for all sorts of commercial endeavors — from selling real estate and dusting crops, to monitoring oil spills and wildlife, even shooting Hollywood films. Local police and emergency services will also be freer to send up their own drones. But while businesses, and drone manufacturers especially, are celebrating the opening of the skies to these unmanned aerial vehicles, the law raises new worries about how much detail the drones will capture about lives down below — and what will be done with that information. Safety concerns like midair collisions and property damage on the ground are also an issue."

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  1. Well the government spies on you anyway. by stevenh2 · · Score: 2

    The government can spy on you without all those drones. They have planes

    1. Re:Well the government spies on you anyway. by EdIII · · Score: 2

      How many? Enough to cover everywhere at the same time?

      My concern is that a private corporation might mass produce drones to take pictures and identify objects and build a huge search engine for it. Or perhaps just add the data to a massive database they have already.

      Government could just access that as well as a ton of other people that don't really have your best interests at heart.

    2. Re:Well the government spies on you anyway. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, it would be super awesome! Just imagine all the possibilities for stalking ex-girlfriends! And if women don't want to be watched everywhere they go then they shouldn't break up with me, so it's really their own fault.

    3. Re:Well the government spies on you anyway. by anagama · · Score: 2

      Privacy is a self-validating principal.

      The "if you have nothing to hide, why do you care" line of reasoning, is the primary tool of tyrants, and how can you be sure you have nothing to hide from that type? Depending on their whims, the time of day you go to bed may be a black mark.

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  2. Directions please... by Cornwallis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can anyone point me to a good EMP-type device that might work agains these things? I know the cops were experimenting with such a device to stop automobiles in their tracks.

    1. Re:Directions please... by artor3 · · Score: 2

      Ah, Slashdot. The world's only technology site populated by Luddites.

      Newsflash, buddy... The people you're so terrified of already have helicopters. What's wrong with making flight cheaper and more accessible?

    2. Re:Directions please... by icebike · · Score: 2

      Ah, Slashdot. The world's only technology site populated by Luddites.

      Newsflash, buddy... The people you're so terrified of already have helicopters. What's wrong with making flight cheaper and more accessible?

      Might not the availability of private drones lead to a business of providing service to those pestered by drones?
      Celebrity weddings and events might become plagued by Paparazzi drones, but some company will also rush in to provide blocker drones to block the shots or accidentally dangle "antennas" into rotors, or just take them out via collision.

      A cloud of security drones around a site would probably discourage other drones as well.

      I'm not sure the whole idea here is "making flight cheaper and more accessible".
      Accessible to who?

      Farmers? Maybe.
      Forestry? Maybe.
      Pipeline survey? Maybe.
      News Media? Perhaps.
      City dweller? ah, No, don't be foolish.
      Suburban Citizen? No.
      Joe RC Enthusiast? Not really. Too expensive, and already goverened.

      By Accessible, you can only mean the Police in this day and age.

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  3. I for once, welcome our ...nevermind by MindPrison · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I really don't want to go trough that old SD cliche...I for once, welcome...blahblah ;)

    Anyway, I'm actually for these drones, especially since I'm an avid hobbyist builder of all things robotic, so it's natural that it'd be okay to manufacture these as well and allow them to be used for useful purposes.

    Maybe this will be spearheading our future with flying vehicles, Müeller and his infamous sky-car didn't get off the ground due to technical issues, maybe due to MAKERS everywhere, we'll now get rid of the final safety bugs in the designs, and make headway for the very real thing.

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  4. If you go outside, there will be a record of it. by Sgs-Cruz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While the commercial uses of these UAVs are cool (hunting feral pigs tearing up your crops using an IR camera on a drone and then radioing the location to your brother with a shotgun! That would be something that only a few militaries in the world could do a decade ago...) the real impact is going to be on the complete loss of privacy for just being anywhere outside in public.

    I've long thought that the ease by which something can be obtained really does matter. I mean, things like divorce records have always been "public", but for most of history, that meant going to the city offices and having some surly clerk find the records for you in a basement filing cabinet. Which meant that strictly speaking, they were public, but in practice most people would never go to that trouble. With online records, finding out juicy details about your neighbour's divorce can be as easy as clicking a link. So the change in ease of obtaining records really does change the meaning of "public", even if it doesn't change the definition in a strictly legal sense.

    It's the same thing with being outside. The advent of huge networks of computerized cameras on the street, on business fronts, and now perhaps on ubiquitous flying unmanned vehicles... it means that while you had no expectation of privacy in public before, in practice it meant that you could generally go places without anybody knowing about it, as long as you didn't just happen to run into somebody that knows you. Before long, an unblinking computer eye will see you everywhere. The idea of going somewhere without anybody knowing about it will be a thing of the past.

    Now, is this, overall, a good thing? That I'm not sure about. Good and bad sides to it, I guess. (I'll be very interested to see its impact on strip clubs and massage parlours, though! Especially if divorce lawyers can subpoena the records.)

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  5. Just need a Shotgun by sycodon · · Score: 3, Informative

    Really... it's already been done.

    ROFLMAO!

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    1. Re:Just need a Shotgun by artor3 · · Score: 2

      On the one hand, extreme animal rights groups like this one tend to be really obnoxious and a tad crazy. On the other, shooting at an elevated target in the direction of a populated area? That is extremely dangerous, and the people who would be at an event like that surely knew it. They risked harming or killing another human being because they were angry.

      Gun owners always claim that guns are safe as long as the people using them know what they're doing and follow best practices. These guys should be ashamed of themselves.

  6. Barrage Balloons! by jmcharry · · Score: 2

    This could revive a long dormant industry.

    1. Re:Barrage Balloons! by BlueStrat · · Score: 2

      This could revive a long dormant industry. (barrage balloons)

      Too easy for zoning and the FAA to make illegal.

      I was thinking more along the lines of laser gun sighting systems that automatically compute proper sighting "lead" (the amount of distance one must aim ahead of a moving target for the round to meet the target as it travels) that could be fitted to most shotguns or rifles.

      Center the target, activate the electronic sight, and an aiming "pip" will appear in the sight picture at the proper distance ahead of the direction of the target's travel, indicating where to fire. If you've ever played a combat flight-sim game (or the space-combat portion of Halo3), you'll understand what I mean.

      Once law enforcement starts using drones on a large scale, methods *will* be found to take them out/bring them down. Once THAT happens, then you'll start seeing manned police aircraft/helicopters being shot down, with the accompanying loss of life both of the aircraft pilot/passengers and also innocent bystanders on the ground that are in the wrong place at the wrong time.

      Strat

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  7. TFA is misleading - cops already can use drones by bugnuts · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I see worries in the comments about "the police using them to spy on civilians". They already can.

    The only thing a new law like this does is to fix a loophole. UAS and UAV systems can already be used by cops and state govs, by universities (limited), by companies developing experimental aircraft (limited), and for hobby purposes (unregulated, but there are some clear limitations such as flying within range of an airport or above buildings). But you cannot be legally paid to do aerial photography from a UAV/UAS! In other words, you have to pay a pilot to fly a photographer around to legally get aerial pictures. The only other option was using blimps (tethered) and cranes. An entire industry has evolved for erecting collapsible poles to attach cameras because of this rule.

    Here are the rules. In it you'll find a letter with the common sense approach for hobbyists, and statements that the FAA will not grant companies any licenses to fly UAS except for experimental aircraft.

    Lastly, SHAME ON THE NYT for that last sentence. They just had to jump on the idiot bandwagon and imply a connection between terrorists and photography.

  8. crop dusting is a brilliant application for drones by dbc · · Score: 2

    Crop dusting is inherently dangerous to the pilot. It is by definition done only in low population areas. There are no privacy concerns. That is one application where drones are pure win.