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Hunters Shoot Down Drone of Animal Rights Group

Required Snark writes "A remote control drone operated by an animal rights group was shot down in South Carolina by a group of thwarted hunters. Steve Hindi, the group president said 'his group was preparing to launch its Mikrokopter drone to video what he called a live pigeon shoot on Sunday when law enforcement officers and an attorney claiming to represent the privately-owned plantation near Ehrhardt tried to stop the aircraft from flying.' After the shoot was halted, the drone was launched anyway, and at this point it was shot down. 'Seconds after it hit the air, numerous shots rang out,' Hindi said in the release. 'As an act of revenge for us shutting down the pigeon slaughter, they had shot down our copter.' 'It is important to note how dangerous this was, as they were shooting toward and into a well-travelled highway,' Hindi stated in the release."

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  1. Go see the video of the event by lars_stefan_axelsson · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's video linked from the fine article. It looks a lot less dramatic than what the summary makes it sound to be. The road is not exactly a four lane interstate. It's single/double track and there's no traffic. The only vehicle you see is the animal rights group's parked van. Go see for yourselves.

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    1. Re:Go see the video of the event by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 5, Informative

      Their gun permits should be revoked,...

      What gun permits are you talking about? Is there any reason to believe that any of these people had concealed carry permits? These were not concealed carry weapons. South Carolina is one of those states that still believes in the Second Amendment. There is no permit necessary to own and/or carry a shotgun in South Carolina.

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  2. Re:Animal Rights? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 5, Informative

    PETA is currently trying to get the 13th amendment to be applied in the case of five killer whales held by SeaWorld.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16920866

    Yes, PETA is trying to get antislavery law to be applied against animals, which if successful will seriously change everything...

  3. Re:If they hadn't brought their drone by xaxa · · Score: 4, Informative

    Given that the article says it crashed onto the highway, and helicopters aren't known for gliding, I'd say they were on top of the highway.

  4. Re:If they hadn't brought their drone by rhook · · Score: 5, Informative

    #6 Birdshot fired out of a 12 gauge has a maximum effective range of around 40 yards, when shooting birds. I can guarantee there was no danger posed to anyone on that highway, the birdshot never even got close.

  5. Ya well by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Informative

    My guess is that in addition to being anti-hunting, they are also anti-gun (those two often go together). Well something else you discover is that often the anti-gun crowd is very, very uneducated about guns. Rather than learn all about them so as to have more solid arguments, they are scared by them and thus know little to nothing about them.

    So it doesn't surprise me at all they they would believe that any gun fired in any direction is a major hazard. Plus I'm sure they are bitching as loud as possible to get attention (and it seems to be working).

    For those wondering, the parent is correct: birdshot will fall to the ground harmlessly. Birdshot is composed of hundreds of tiny, tiny pellets, 2mm or so. Thus they lose kinetic energy rapidly in the air, and don't hit very hard when they fall. It is specifically designed to be shot in the air and not have to worry about where it falls. Rather important for bird hunting.

    Even buckshot isn't all that dangerous falling back to ground. While larger and heavier, it is also just round lead balls and thus cannot maintain a ballistic trajectory and just falls back to the ground.

    Rifle bullets are the ones that are most dangerous, though pistol rounds can be as well. Since they are spin stabilized they can maintain a ballistic trajectory for long distances, miles even. As such they can potentially hit with lethal force even if fired at a pretty steep angle.

  6. As opposed to clay pigeons by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Informative

    Usually when people shoot in any sort of practice or competition, it is with clay pigeons. They are just little clay discs that fly pretty well, and shatter very nicely when hit with a shotgun blast. For a live pigeon shoot one would assume they would be using real pigeons.

  7. Youtube video. by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    (unexciting) Youtube video of the shootdown can be found on the SHARK youtube channel.

    Doesn't look like they were trespassing.

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    1. Re:Youtube video. by Gideon+Wells · · Score: 5, Informative

      Trespassing needn't apply.

      There is an expectation of privacy on your own property. Just where the line is drawn can be iffy at times. In my media law course this was called the tree principle.

      1) You are allowed to take a photo of a person from the sidewalk (public property) if they are in their yard or even through the window with a normal lens. Nothing different than what anyone else could see.

      2) Zoom lens, pushing the expectation of public view if they are inside and you are looking through a window.

      3) Climbing a tree in the public area to get a better view through the second story with a zoom lens? You might be able to argue it, but don't be surprised when a cop comes looking for you.

      At least that is sort of the old standards. Tabloids and public figures are able to push this all to whole different realms than with private citizens/groups. This is a drone, part of the new paradigm. Being an airborne camera/vehicle that can see farther, it has a whole different standard of "public" than a person with a SLR by its very nature. So does someone in a glider, gyro-copter, helicopter, etc.

      Expect a lawsuit eventually over whether drones in private hands should count more towards the person in the tree standards or filming from public air space in helicopter standards.

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  8. Re:If they hadn't brought their drone by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Informative

    you are wrong as nobody would be able to fly private aircraft and hot air balloons.

    And yes I know this, I was a private pilot. I'm not tresspassing until I am below the tree line.

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  9. Lucky They Weren't Arrested! by Analog+Guru · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hindi and his crew were lucky. They should have been arrested. South Carolina has a hunter harassment law.

    50-1-137: It is unlawful for a person wilfully to impede or obstruct another person from lawfully hunting, trapping, fishing, or harvesting marine species. Any person violating the provisions of this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be punished as provided by Section 50-1-130. In addition to the criminal penalty, any person convicted must have his privilege to hunt, trap, fish, or harvest marine species recreationally or commercially revoked for one year.
    50-1-130: Unless a different penalty is specified, any person who violates a provision of this title is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined not less than twenty-five dollars nor more than two hundred dollars or imprisoned for not less than ten days nor more than thirty days.

  10. Re:Animal Rights? by silanea · · Score: 4, Informative

    A human has right to live.

    Which is why 58 countries have capital punishment and we have been hearing a lot lately about countries from a certain corner of the world respecting the shit out of this right to live. Oh, I am sorry, what was your point again?

    The majority of animal rights activists do not want to abolish the eating of animals. They just want to see them treated as humanely as possible: No unnecessary pain, no killing for fun or sport (as in TFA), no medical experiments, acceptable living conditions. Is that so wrong? Do living creatures who are proven to be capable of feeling pain and distress not have a right to be treated fairly?

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  11. Re:If they hadn't brought their drone by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 4, Informative

    On my property, I expect a right to privacy. If my property and privacy is invaded after I deny permission, then your flying camera is merely a "peeping tom tool" at this point.

    Expect your little toy to be damaged...and...don't EVEN try to equate it with a piloted commercial aircraft with human lives on board. The attempt just illustrates the weakness of your logic.

    That's just plane wrong. (pun intended)

    You have no reasonable expectation of privacy from overflying aircraft. Florida v. Riley, IIRC, was the name of the SCOTUS case that established that. YMMV, and consult an attorney for applicable state law. (State constitutions or other law may grant you different rights, although that likely gets tricky in a federally regulated area like aviation.)

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  12. Re:There may be the occasional hit by BeardedChimp · · Score: 4, Informative

    None of that is to say it is a good idea or anything, but I doubt it is all that common for people to get injured or killed by it.

    Wrong, celebratory gunfire kills quite a few people every year

  13. Re:If they hadn't brought their drone by bigpresh · · Score: 5, Informative

    Given that the article says it crashed onto the highway, and helicopters aren't known for gliding, I'd say they were on top of the highway.

    Their video shows the drone flying away from the highway, then returning towards the highway presumably after it was shot at; around 2:15 in the video, it looks like it took some damage to one of the rotors, so it was perhaps damaged enough to no longer maintain altitude, but not enough to prevent them bringing it back under some control.

  14. Re:Mythbusters covered this by BeardedChimp · · Score: 4, Informative

    A lot of the deaths occur from the bullet entering your shoulder and hitting your heart. Penetrating your shoulder requires a lot less velocity than your head. This paper "Can a Falling Bullet Be Lethal at Terminal Velocity? Cardiac Injury Caused by a Celebratory Bullet" seems to suggest that you can indeed be killed by falling bullets.

  15. Re:Battery as a response. by Oligonicella · · Score: 4, Informative

    They didn't commit battery.

    Webster's Unabridged:
    "Law. an unlawful attack upon another person by beating or wounding, or by touching in an offensive manner."