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Heartland Institute Document Leaker Comes Forward, Maintains Documents Are Real

The Bad Astronomer writes "Last week, an anonymous source leaked several internal documents from the Heartland Institute, a non-profit think tank known for anti-global-warming rhetoric. The leaker has come forward: Peter Gleick, scientist and journalist. In his admission, he cites his own breach of ethics, but also maintains that all the documents are real. This includes the potentially embarrassing '2012 Climate Strategy' document stating that Heartland wants to 'dissuade teachers from teaching science.' Heartland still claims this document is a forgery, but there is no solid evidence either way."

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  1. Forgery - (And obviously so) by BlackWind · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here is one article written about it (by someone who believes in AGW)
    http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/02/leaked-docs-from-heartland-institute-cause-a-stir-but-is-one-a-fake/253165/

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    1. Re:Forgery - (And obviously so) by steveha · · Score: 5, Informative

      I agree that Megan McArdle's analysis of this document is interesting and worth reading.

      http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/02/leaked-docs-from-heartland-institute-cause-a-stir-but-is-one-a-fake/253165/

      For a document that supposedly is a glimpse to the inside machinations of a bunch of corporate suits, it sure has an odd tone.

      See also the followup:

      http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/02/heartland-memo-looking-faker-by-the-minute/253276/

      The metadata and timestamp analysis is interesting as well.

      steveha

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    2. Re:Forgery - (And obviously so) by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Informative

      I considered the metadata and timestamp to be very interesting a few days ago, and to be a possible indication of forgery. I no longer consider that to be the case. Gleick explained that he got the document separately and then obtained the other documents to try to verify that document. Gleick's story adequately explains the apparent differences in metadata.

  2. No evidence? by Troyusrex · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is very likely faked. It was not gotten through the same channel as the other documents and there are many inconsistencies which make it of doubtful authenticity including metadata: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/02/15/notes-on-the-fake-heartland-document/ That said, it serves Heartland right after the fuss they made over Climategate.

    1. Re:No evidence? by benjfowler · · Score: 3, Informative

      You blew your credibility the millisecond you quoted WUWT as a reliable source. Anthony Watt is just another right wing corporate whore with no credentials, no scientific training, no mainstream credibility, and a big mouth (very common in the wingnut alternative reality).

    2. Re:No evidence? by Layzej · · Score: 4, Informative

      Anthony Watt is just another right wing corporate whore with no credentials, no scientific training, no mainstream credibility, and a big mouth (very common in the wingnut alternative reality).

      It should also be noted that he was implicated in the leaked documents. He has every reason to claim that they are fake.

  3. stupid by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 4, Informative

    This was a really stupid thing for Dr. Gleick to do because it diminishes his cause substantially. For example, he was the lead author of the recent Science paper that everyone was making a big stink about having so many National Academy members on. I'm no (anthropogenic or not)-climate change denier, but this is bad. On a similar note, he also wrote this Forbes piece that mysteriously did not mention he was the lead author of the Science paper.

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  4. Interesting analysis of the memo... by theangrypeon · · Score: 5, Informative

    Some pretty interesting and pretty detailed analysis of the memo here.

    I'm inclined to say the memo is probably fake given all the weirdness surrounding it, and given who the "leaker" is.

  5. Re:Let's see.... by dnaumov · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'd hardly call a 5 year average net profit margin of 8,81% particularly fat.

  6. Re:Let's see.... by frosty_tsm · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'd hardly call a 5 year average net profit margin of 8,81% particularly fat.

    For an established company delivering a commoditized product, that's a pretty big margin.

    Honestly, I thought it would have been higher.

  7. Re:Let's look at the track record... by steveha · · Score: 4, Informative

    Never mind, it's right there in Wikipedia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heartland_Institute#Smoking

    The tone of the GP post was just right to punch my buttons. Even a single link in support of the rant would have been nice.

    steveha

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  8. Re:Waiting.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    No experience?

    Went to Harvard law school, edited the Harvard Law Review, Lecturer at Columbia, gave up a potentially lucrative career to help poor people as a community organizer. Bestselling author. Elected to the US senate.

    Granted he had limited executive experience, but only one of the 8 candidates in that primary had executive experience (Bill Richardson, former governor). All the others were from the senate or house.

  9. Re:Not really ... historically ... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Informative

    Even today I heard someone claim that smoking pot does not have worse health effects than tobacco smoke (think about it : no filters on the sigarettes -> you're actually inhaling burning leaves directly into your lungs which will never again come out. Healthy ? Of course not.

    Surely it depends on what is actually being burnt and inhaled. Normal cigarette smoke has things like formaldahyde, benzene, ammonia and acetone - all known carcinogens while normal pot smoke does not. What's ironic here is that your default position is what I heard from all source of authority, until just recently.

    There is even a recent medical study indicating that moderate, chronic pot smoking increases lung capacity compared to tobacco-smokers and non-smokers alike:

    http://pulmccm.org/main/2012/asthma-review/infrequent-pot-smokers-have-better-lung-function-than-non-tokers-jama/

    And FWIW, I've never used an illegal drug in my life, not even once. I don't have a dog in the "pot is better for you" fight.

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  10. Billions, Millions, whatever. [Re:Let's see....] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    It takes in excess of $100 million to drill a deepwater offshore well these days, and it takes ~10 years after the exploration phase before the production starts (assuming success). Given those costs and a 10:1 success ratio in less-explored areas, an obscene profit margin can disappear pretty quick,

    Yeah! Why, with a profit margin of only 38 billion dollars a year, at a hundred million to drill a deepwater offshore well, they'll be losing money if they drill a mere three hundred and eighty deepwater offshore wells every year, and not one actually produces oil.

    Oh, wait-- the cost of drilling the well doesn't come out of their profit, it's already incorporated in their expenses. So, that forty billion dollars of profit already accounts for the costs of drilling wells. Never mind.