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Solid Buckeyballs Detected In Space

astroengine writes with an excerpt from an article at Discovery: "For the first time, 'buckyballs' have been discovered in the cosmos in a solid form. Until now, the only evidence in space for the bizarre little hollow balls of carbon atoms have been in interstellar gases, but with the help of NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope, astronomers have discovered buckyballs accumulating and stacking atop one another to form solid particles. 'These buckyballs are stacked together to form a solid, like oranges in a crate,' said Nye Evans of Keele University in England, lead author of a paper appearing in the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society. 'The particles we detected are minuscule, far smaller than the width of a hair, but each one would contain stacks of millions of buckyballs.'"

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  1. you know what these are by cellocgw · · Score: 4, Funny

    Proto- replicators. Watch them grow and take over the galaxy.

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    1. Re:you know what these are by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Funny

      They'd have to change their name. I, for one, could never welcome any overlord named Buckeyballs.

  2. This is a followup on earlier work by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Informative

    Buckyballs have been discovered in nature before. When this first happened it was somewhat surprising because they seemed difficult to synthesize. But they've since been discovered in a variety of natural contexts. One really neat example is how they've been found in craters from meteorites, apparently produced during the formation of the craters as well as by forest fires in some limited circumstances- http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Feb01/permianImpact.html. One neat thing about this is that since buckyballs are large and hollow, they can when they form actually trap small atoms, generally atoms that are noble gasses (especially helium and argon). So, looking at what these buckyballs have can give us information about the atmospheres and conditions where the buckyballs formed. This is overall part of a large trend in the last twenty years where we've learned how many alternate carbon structures there are. Chemists used to think that while carbon had great versatility when combined with other elements (hence the large variety of chemicals used in life) that the chemistry of pure carbon was fairly prosaic. Since then, the discovery of buckyballs, nanotubes, and other structures have shown that carbon has complicated and interesting chemistry even in its pure form.

    The work being done here is part of the general work done by the infrared Spitzer telescope http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spitzer_Space_Telescopewhich has been as a whole really amazing for all sorts of astronomy. There are some really neat and entertaining videos explaining the work they've done, like this one with Felicia Day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjRJeaNtxN4. Unfortunately, Spitzer ran out of coolant in 2009, which substantially reduces which instruments can be used and how precise observations it can make. One major good thing about Spitzer is that it isn't in Eart orbit but is rather in orbit around the sun, so we don't need to worry about it becoming a space debris problem, or need to worry about bringing it down early before it dies (to prevent orbital bombardment), so we can keep getting good data from it until the very last instrument croaks.

    1. Re:This is a followup on earlier work by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Insightful

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  3. Re:Crystalline Entity!! by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You may have a point in a roundabout way. This is similar to sheets of graphene that have also been discovered. Now, imagine that the graphene or C60 is contaminated with trace amounts of N, O, P and H - the carbon is going to form a substrate on which random combinations of the containments are brought together, and if it's constantly being broken up and reforming due to, for example, UV then you have a plausible mechanism for biogenesis.

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  4. Buckyballs by 89cents · · Score: 2

    And I thought they were talking about this magnetic toy that I have a few sets of and thought how odd. http://www.getbuckyballs.com/

  5. Re:Flawed analogy? by slew · · Score: 5, Informative

    Oranges in a crate form a solid? I thought the crate still gave it the overall structure? Take away the crate, and the oranges all come tumbling down.

    Perhaps piled like cannonballs is a better analogy. Although in a grocery store, you can see piles of oranges w/o a crate.

    Of course "tumbling down" is just because the earth's gravitational forces are larger than the forces that bind the oranges to each other (electrostatic and gravitational). Without the earth's gravity, you don't get "down"...

    BTW, theoretical work on this has been going on for a while, it's only the recent observation that is newsworthy...

  6. Re:Crystalline Entity!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    then you have a plausible mechanism for biogenesis.

    Or at very least a Star Trek episode script.

  7. Re:Crystalline Entity!! by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

    then you have a plausible mechanism for biogenesis.

    Or at very least a Star Trek episode script.

    Star Tek scripts don't require plausible, or even reference to real stuff like graphene.

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  8. Re:Crystalline Entity!! by tehcyder · · Score: 2

    then you have a plausible mechanism for biogenesis.

    Or at very least a Star Trek episode script.

    Star Tek scripts don't require plausible, or even reference to real stuff like graphene.

    Yeah, they leave all the real science stuff to hard sci-fi films like Star Wars.

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