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Why Tesla Cars Aren't Bricked By Failing Batteries

itwbennett writes "Don't believe recent claims made by a blogger that non-functioning batteries in the Tesla Roadster cause the electric cars to be bricked, says IDC analyst Sam Jaffe. 'Here's the primary fact that the blogger in question doesn't understand: the Tesla battery pack is not a battery,' says Jaffe. 'It's a collection of more than 8,000 individual batteries. Each of those cells is independently managed. So there's only two ways for the entire battery pack to fail. The first is if all 8,000 cells individually fail (highly unlikely except in the case of something catastrophic like a fire). The second failure mechanism is if the battery management system tells the pack to shut down because it has detected a dangerous situation, such as an extremely low depth of discharge. If that's the case, all that needs to be done is to tow the vehicle to a charger, recharge the batteries and then reboot the battery management system. This is the most likely explanation for the five 'bricks' that the blogger claims to have heard about.'"

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  1. This IS a LiIon failure mode though by larwe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's a shortcoming of LiIon technology that if the cell becomes over-discharged, the cell may fail short circuit, and a subsequent recharge may cause an "exciting" failure (think flames). That's why all LiIon packs have a protection circuit that permanently disables the pack if it's discharged to the danger zone. Given the massive size of an automotive battery pack, it's easy to believe they have some very conservative safety devices in them. And it's also easy to believe that the cost of individually testing/replacing cells and "rebooting" the protection circuitry in a pack that has tripped its safety limits is prohibitive.

    1. Re:This IS a LiIon failure mode though by d3ac0n · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Or he's NOT and you are just assuming he is because you either dislike the blog/blogger or are utterly ignorant of the facts. The communication emails are public knowledge, and the 40 grand cost is NOT "made up from whole cloth" and has been confirmed by Tesla.

      Geez, people, RTFA for crying out loud.

      Jalopnik article on the issue:

      http://jalopnik.com/5887265/tesla-motors-devastating-design-problem

      Jalopnik article about the attempt to smear the whistleblower:

      http://jalopnik.com/5887499/who-is-trying-to-smear-the-tesla-battery-problem-whistleblower

      Gallery of screenshots of emails:

      http://jalopnik.com/5887504/tesla-emails-gallery/gallery/1

      Read read read. Then rethink and reassess.

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  2. Re:is this a paid summary or what??? by Golden_Rider · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you can afford a Tesla, you can afford to RTFM and get a trickle charger.

    Probably (although I am sure that many people who have enough money to buy one won't read/understand all the technical stuff and will want the car to "just work") - but that still leaves us with the point that the battery pack can go kaputt within a couple days if the car is not charged (if the car was already at low charge) - which is something which needs to be communicated to customers far more clearly than just a sentence here and there that it is not good to let the battery go completely flat. Because I am sure that for almost every person who is not very familiar with battery technology, the EXPECTED consequence of a flat battery would be "recharge it again and you're good to go". If there is the possibility of making a $40k mistake, I'd expect the car to go full "star trek red alert" on me when I park it somewhere at less than 10% charge, and to start sending "help! I am dying!" SMS when the battery goes below 5%.