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Mozilla Partners Up With LG To Combat Apple and Google

MrSeb writes "At Mobile World Congress, which begins in three days, Mozilla will finally take the wraps off the Mozilla Marketplace and allow developers to submit their open web technology (HTML5, JavaScript, CSS) apps. While the Marketplace will play an important role in keeping Firefox in step with Chrome, these apps will actually play a far more important role: Boot to Gecko (B2G), Mozilla's upcoming smartphone and tablet OS, will also use the Marketplace. For B2G to succeed it must have apps, and to create apps you need developers. That's why, at MWC, according to a source close to the matter, Mozilla will also be announcing that it has partnered up with LG to make a developer-oriented B2G-powered mobile device. Even more interestingly, Brendan Eich, Mozilla's Chief Technology Officer, says that it will unveil other partners at MWC as well — probably carriers, who are eager to use the open B2G and its Marketplace to escape the huge control that Apple and Google currently exert in the smartphone space."

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  1. I hope this is true opensource. by cyfer2000 · · Score: 2

    Dear Mozilla,

    I have been a tester from mozilla M18.

    I hope this is true opensource and a good product.

    Sincerely,

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  2. Barcode scanner app by tepples · · Score: 2

    How would one make a barcode scanner application for this platform? I was under the impression that web browsers had no standardized, widely implemented way to (ask for the user's permission to) read from the camera and microphone (if any) connected to a device.

    1. Re:Barcode scanner app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Mozilla is building a WebAPI open standard along with B2G so you can access hardware from html / javascript. Check this out http://arewemobileyet.com/

    2. Re:Barcode scanner app by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Flash can do that and more. Maybe HTML5?

      Oh yay, another market place. Just what I wanted. Apps for my apps. Or apps for the plugins of my apps.

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    3. Re:Barcode scanner app by jesser · · Score: 4, Informative

      Device APIs are a key part of the B2G effort. Mozilla is making those APIs and getting them standardized.

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    4. Re:Barcode scanner app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's called w3c.

      Excellent. So after about twenty years of political bickering and bureaucratic deadlock, we'll have a half-written standard for camera access whose capabilities will be twenty-five years out of date to what everyone will be actually using at the time and won't be adopted by anyone but the most frothing and hardcore of open-source zealots who will be in a constant state of bewilderment as to why nobody wants to adopt this new "standard"? I can't wait!

    5. Re:Barcode scanner app by ciderbrew · · Score: 3, Funny

      I can't stand the term apps. You're post means I now have to go to the pub(s) after work and drink a Friday worth.I didn't want to go. But now I must.

    6. Re:Barcode scanner app by TheCRAIGGERS · · Score: 5, Funny

      I can't stand incorrect usage of your/you're. Which pub are you going to? Perhaps we can meet up.

    7. Re:Barcode scanner app by ciderbrew · · Score: 3, Informative

      :( Fair point well made. Here -> Canary Wharf, London - Fullers

    8. Re:Barcode scanner app by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

      You are not understanding my point and it looks like you are not paying attention to what the OP is saying.

      It takes under a second for the sample images to be scanned on my machine. It's fast. It's pure client side HTML/JavaScript.

      What are you not understanding? Analysing one frame per second is not real time for video. Analysing 25-60 frames a second is real time.

      If you look on the same page that I linked to then you will see that it can also process video in JavaScript doing the same checks.

      Aagin, what are you not understanding? I ran the demo and it does about 1 analysis every 4 seconds. Far from real time.

      Now, you might be prepared to throw away 100 to 200 frames for every frame you analyse when looking for porn. I don't know. But you can't do that for real time analysis of bar codes.

      If you think analysing 1 frame every 1 to 4 seconds is good enough for real time capture of bar codes from video, than you don't understand the problem.

  3. Actually... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Come to think of it, the 'LG XULRunner' would actually be a better-than-average name for a cellphone...

    1. Re:Actually... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      What's with the new share link next to the "Reply to This"?

      It now hides the obnoxious twitter / facebook / whatever things unless you click on the link. It's not as good as simply not having them at all, but it's better than having them visible on every post.

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  4. Well, there's a new marketplace by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think a company announcing they're NOT doing a marketplace would probably get bigger headlines these days.

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  5. Wish by uigrad_2000 · · Score: 2

    I just wish I could open up a wormhole, and send this headline to the version of myself who existed 10 years ago. That would be one confused sonofa...

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  6. Re:too bad i switched to chrome....... by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Give me a call when Chrome has NoScript and isn't developed by a company that has grown notorious for its privacy issues, user web tracking, and targeted ads.

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  7. Re:too bad i switched to chrome....... by jank1887 · · Score: 4, Informative

    same here, but then I switched back sometime around FF10. Much happier with it than back in the 3.x days. I now go back and forth without much concern.

  8. I think it's more accurate to say... by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Mozilla has found another source of income in addition to Google. With LG's money, Mozilla will be able to add features that counter Chrome's increased share in the browser marketplace. I assume FirefoxOS will counter ChromeOS and webOS more than Android and iOS.

    Wether or not this adversely affects Mozilla's ability to increase user satisfaction with FireFox being used as a browser remains to be seen. I hope and wish them the best, but am concerned that they will lose focus on their core product which should be a web browser people would actually like to use (or in my case continue to use).

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  9. Meanwhile... by virgnarus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Windows Phone 7 is peering through a window to watch the fight, eyes welling with tears.

  10. Re:too bad i switched to chrome....... by Allicorn · · Score: 2
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  11. I hope it's actually something that makes sense by poetmatt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I hope it makes sense and is well done. I guess the sign of it becoming real is when google applauds it at the same time as apple/microsoft sue Mozilla. So, 6 months? Again, how it is designed is going to be important. Anyone can clone the whole smartphone layout as it exists but they're going to need to do something *different* for it to be worthwhile.

    I should also point out that apple and google are considered competition, but Microsoft is not (as microsoft is not relevant in the smartphone market). Quite a telling point.

    1. Re:I hope it's actually something that makes sense by tobiasly · · Score: 2

      I hope it makes sense and is well done. I guess the sign of it becoming real is when google applauds it at the same time as apple/microsoft sue Mozilla.

      Google probably will applaud it publicly but this is absolutely a big threat to Android. Google has been paying lip service to "open" claims for a long time while Android becomes more & more proprietary. It has never been developed in the open, which has been a sticking point for many since its inception.

      So now we have B2G and WebOS, two truly open OSes, one of which is backed by (arguably) the single biggest open source success story in history when it comes to a consumer-facing product. Mozilla lives & breathes openness and user empowerment; it's their entire reason for being. I could easily see this quickly gaining mindshare with enough geeks to have genuine crossover appeal to the masses (just like Firefox).

      And I wonder if they told Google, "this is what you get for releasing Chrome."

  12. Wait a minute . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Um, am I right in thinking this will give carriers more control over my phone?

    From TFA, "Basically, Apple and Google have so much control over the smartphone landscape that carriers have effectively become nothing more than retailers. Worse than that, their infrastructures have been reduced to that of a dumb pipe, where it is Apple and Google who ultimately decide how the network will be used."

    I don't know about other countries, but the last thing I would ever do in the US is give a mobile carrier more control over my phone. It that is the case, I'll pass.

  13. Re:too bad i switched to chrome....... by LaRainette · · Score: 4, Informative

    When did you last use FF ? v3.5 ?

      I use both right now, on win7, Linux Mint and CrunchBang. My FF always has 20-30 tabs opened, it's my main browser, I only use Chrome when have no browser opened and I don't want to wait for FF to start with my 30 opened tabs.

      Based on my experience, FF 10 isn't bloated at all. It's as fast as Chrome and has way more useful plugins.

      On an unrelated note I trust mozilla a gazillion times more than I trust google.

  14. Re:Web apps = Fail by peppepz · · Score: 2

    The important thing is the Internet, not the Web. As long as we have interconnected networks, everybody can use them for whatever they like, be it the HTTP protocol or some other alternative.

    Only if "there's an app for that".

    Second, the usability of the web apps simply sucks, because the web wasn't designed for them.

    It wasn't designed to let you read emails, view videos, listen to music, consult maps, play games, talk to your friends, buy books, either.
    But since it was designed to be open and extensible, it was improved over the years and now you can do all that stuff pretty well. Can't see why this process of extension and improvement should be halted now, and left to proprietary architectures.