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Is Stratfor a "Joke"?

daveschroeder writes with an opinion piece that seems to differ from the usual thinking on the Wikileaks release of Stratfor emails: "Max Fisher writes in The Atlantic: 'The corporate research firm has branded itself as a CIA-like "global intelligence" firm, but only Julian Assange and some over-paying clients are fooled. [...] The group's reputation among foreign policy writers, analysts, and practitioners is poor; they are considered a punchline more often than a source of valuable information or insight. [...] So why do Wikileaks and their hacker source Anonymous seem to consider Stratfor, which appears to do little more than combine banal corporate research with media-style freelance researcher arrangements, to be a cross between CIA and Illuminati? The answer is probably a combination of naivete and desperation.'"

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  1. Is Slashdot a "Joke" ? by billcopc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's a pretty wafer thin opinion piece. Sure, Stratfor seems like a mess, but I think the most telling aspect of this whole fiasco is that we actually believe an intelligence company could be so moronic. That says a lot about the public's perception of government intelligence, or lack thereof, if imbeciles like Stratfor are actually being paid to provide services.

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    1. Re:Is Slashdot a "Joke" ? by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's a pretty wafer thin opinion piece. Sure, Stratfor seems like a mess, but I think the most telling aspect of this whole fiasco is that we actually believe an intelligence company could be so moronic. That says a lot about the public's perception of government intelligence, or lack thereof, if imbeciles like Stratfor are actually being paid to provide services.

      What more effective cover for the deadly efficient than the guise of a disorganised clod?

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  2. Counter-counter-counter spin by tpotus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... is what this article is.

    1. Re:Counter-counter-counter spin by Desler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How is it spin? The guy quotes articles and facts that are easily verified to show that Stratfor is not what it has been claimed to be by a well-known media whore. The only spin is coming from people who can't stand that Wikileaks could be blowing this out of proportion.

  3. If it's a joke... by micheas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can we stop writing checks to them with tax payer money?

  4. Re:Ha ha only serious. by medv4380 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Way back the kind of service Stratfor provides was valuable. Having someone in a foreign country pickup a local paper compile the relevant information then send them out to clients was valuable. The Internet has made this service worthless, but they are probably still used just because ripping them out of the burocracy is difficult. The CIA also got slapped around a bit when it was found out that they had ditched a large portion of "human" intelligence gathering in favor of electronic gathering after 9/11. So, they are probably a bit against just stripping out something worthless that allows them to claim "human" intelligence gathering. WikiLeaks and Anonymous just got tricked by Stratfor's internal Koolaid and Marketing trying to convince their clients that they are valuable. The value Stratfor really has is when a country shuts-down the internet internally, but at that point you really need a real spy since they probably stop the newspapers and other service that Stratfor uses too.

  5. Re:From my research: by sixtyeight · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've noticed a similar tendency. It's true of Anonymous, of Wikileaks, and of the American People in general.

    If any or all of these groups were better-informed, so would their results be. That they're not has been the result of consolidated media and a systematized effort to make uninformed peasants and dullards of them. That effort is coming to a close.

    Getting people more aware - and aware of what's actually meaningful and how to discern the difference - would appear to be the next part of the process. Fortunately the information technology is already present, and mechanisms like Slashdot's moderation system will serve the People well. Valid stuff gets promoted into public awareness better, and that's just what we need. The combination of unemployed bloggers, information technology, social networking and an increasingly motivated public will enable us to form solutions and information distribution channels and get them noticed. It's less about diagnosing the problem, and getting to the business of forming solutions. Together. Not to mention getting onto the process of exposure and accountability for wrongdoers.

    A lot of the stumbling blocks for people at the moment seem to be that they're predominantly unknowledgeable, they don't yet have sufficient discernment to know what to toss out let alone solutions to contribute or even participate in, and as a result they're pretty reactive to what passes before them, complaining about it or offering uneducated opinions and interpretations. Forming solutions, rather than complaining about the silliness we encounter, is The Next Thing. To stay ahead of the trends, work out what The Next Thing is, and then implement it.

    For instance, how about a hybrid Wiki / Kickstarter specifically for corruption? Crowds can compile research - with citations - on the wrongdoings of corporations, politicians, CEOs and public notables. Each entry could have a fund, with people throwing in $50 or $100 to hire an attorney. When the fund fills up, you take them to court. You then return any damages awarded back to the users who invested in that specific fund, in whatever percentage they invested. Result: Crowd-based accountability to law. A new way to glean money for taking care of the rampant corruption. So instead of complaining about politicians, the public can finally do something about it. It wouldn't matter so much who got into office, provided they were accountable to the law and their sworn duties. And we could stop approaching elections like they were some giant slot machine, not to ineffectually telling each other to "Impeach [politician]" to no avail. With Drupal and BitCoin, it wouldn't take that much for a bunch of geeks to get started.

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  6. As a former subscriber by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    and one who had their information released I feel I can make some credible comments on the quality of Stratfor.

    The primary use of Stratfor was background, especially in regions I was not familar or required too much attention to stay on top of. Second was the channelling of event and other information from various open source media, including local/domestic. Third was their analysis. Whether done by themself, others, or some combination, they usually got the broad picture correct and were good at breaking down economic data. However, Stratfor was poor when it came to near and medium term predictions on both economic and political events. Marginally better on military stuff.

    I was a general subscriber, nothing 'special' ever requested. For the price, they were worth it. If you timed things properly you could have it annually for less than a sub to the WSJ and again, from an informational gathering standpoint they did a decent job. Perhaps a lot was open source and/or available if you really wanted to look, etc but that is exactly why you are paying a firm like stratfor - to do the searching and collating for you and give some kind of summary. They save time and effort.

    posted anonymously for obvious reasons