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RIAA CEO Hopes SOPA Protests Were a "One-Time Thing"

hapworth writes "After posting a controversial op-ed in The New York Times saying Wikipedia and Google 'misinformed' the public about SOPA and PIPA, Cary Sherman, CEO of the RIAA said in an interview yesterday that he hopes the SOPA protests were a 'one-time experience.' He also said that Wikipedia and Google users were duped into thinking SOPA was a bad bill because they assume "if it comes from these sources, it must be true." In another hilarious comment, Sherman blames the Internet for making it impossible for Congress to get out its side of the story, and for not spreading information with the same 'clarity and integrity' of broadcast journalists."

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  1. One time experience? by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's easy enough to accomodate. Stop pressing for draconian censorship legislation and this will never happen again.

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    1. Re:One time experience? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Oh, it'll go through. It's just a matter of time. Like any bad law, they can just keep bringing it up again and again and again and again, a hundred times a year if they want. All they need is one single success, and then it's too late to go back ever again. They just need to wear people down until it can juuuuuuust slide through people's defenses, and then it's over and done with.

      Remember... a thousand failures and a single success is still fully successful.

    2. Re:One time experience? by s.petry · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Or they will do like they did with the US Armed forces now being able to detain without trial or cause any American citizen. It was hidden in a "Defense Spending" Bill, and Obama signed it on 12/31/11 when the rest of the US was out getting drunk.

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    3. Re:One time experience? by Raved+Thrad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I read this as corporate-idiotese for "Goddamn you pirate fuckers! Do you have any idea how much money we blew blowing the lawmakers? You bastards owe us for the money we spent, not to mention all the money piracy is still costing us, so you all need to shut up and stop trying to kill our failed business model!"

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    4. Re:One time experience? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      anonymous formed because these groups ARE actively shutting down free discourse whenever it threatens their business interest.

    5. Re:One time experience? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Attacking their websites is interfering with their freedom of speech? How does that work? You are talking about the people who control everything that is broadcast on television and radio. Short of numerous nuclear explosions, how do you silence those people? You can't. Silence them? My ass.

    6. Re:One time experience? by blankinthefill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      While I don't agree with the bill at all, you should consider two things before blaming it entirely on Obama. The first is that a veto not only would have been over ridden by both houses, but would have been EASILY over ridden. There was far more votes than the necessary 2/3 in both houses, so there wouldn't have even been a fight for the over ride. The second is that vetoes often expend political capital. When an administration has high approval ratings and is well liked by their own party, they can afford to throw out a symbolic veto or two, especially if it's on a bill that is widely and wildly unpopular. However, when an administration is already under attack from all sides, NOT throwing out a veto can save, or potentially even create, some of that much needed political capital. Now, you can always make the argument that it would have raised his standing among members of the public to veto it... but I'm not so sure. Considering the other provisions of the bill, it very easily could have been turned around and painted as 'not supporting our troops.' And that's pretty much political suicide. (One of my friends mistakenly thought that I was stumping for Obama when I pointed this all out, but the fact is I'm not. You would be hard pressed to find ANY administration that would have acted differently if faced with the exact same circumstances. I don't like that this is the way that the game is played... but it is.)

    7. Re:One time experience? by NicknameAvailable · · Score: 5, Funny

      If only the founding father's included a reciprocity clause in the constitution to the effect of: If you attempt to take away free speech, we cut out your tongue.

    8. Re:One time experience? by artor3 · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, it was not. Go read it. Here's the link. Click on the PDF link for #7, which says "National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 (Enrolled Bill [Final as Passed Both House and Senate]". Read Subtitle D, Section 1021, paragraph (e). It's on page 265. I'll repost it here for you so that you have no excuse not to read it, but by all means check the actual document as well so that you know I'm not lying.

      (e) AUTHORITIES.—Nothing in this section shall be construed
      to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of
      United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States,
      or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United
      States.

      I can't make the truth any easier for you to see. This whole thing is just a smear intended to discredit Obama in the minds of his supporters, and the sad thing is, they're falling for it.

    9. Re:One time experience? by artor3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hate to break it to you, Pollyanna, but the people who elected him would not re-elect him when they found out that he vetoed a bill to provide healthcare to wounded veterans. The average American voter is an easily manipulated moron.

      He did the absolute best he could do to diminish the effect of the law, but there was nothing he could do to stop it. If you don't like it, then don't sit out the midterms. The idiot "liberals" who handed Congress over to the Repubs in 2010 by staying home are responsible for every bit of harm the GOP has done.

    10. Re:One time experience? by wonkavader · · Score: 5, Informative

      Closer, but you need to read a little more. Our frontiermen and minutemen fought against soldiers, as did the French soldiers and navy that helped us. We also killed non-military colonists who were pro-crown, or just burned 'em out or tarred and feathered them (which was sometimes fatal). The Brits and Tories generally returned the favour, though I gather they were less imaginative about it.

      Wars are complex.

    11. Re:One time experience? by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Informative

      You need to go back to school. We fought with frontiermen and minutemen against soldiers.

      You should have gone to a better school. We fought with militias against professional soldiers, and got our asses kicked. It wasn't until we started building a real army of our own that the Revolution had even a prayer of succeeding.

      (It's probably not your fault; the "rugged individualist frontiersman sniping from behind the trees at the stupid Redcoats marching down the middle of the road" idea is deeply embedded in our national mythos, and a lot of otherwise decent history teachers pass it onto their students. But it is a myth, and one which is easily disproved with a modicum of research.)

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    12. Re:One time experience? by joocemann · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In a corrupt world where money is speech, and the RIAA is tantamount to that point, you're nudging the idea that Anon did something wrong?

      If someone is, by corrupt basis, speaking so loudly that nobody else can be heard, it is heroic to take their megaphone away ( the megaphone they only got through corruption).

    13. Re:One time experience? by artor3 · · Score: 5, Informative

      False.

      Obama opposed the law, called it "ill-conceived" in his signing statement, and he has now issued executive orders curtailing its effect. Essentially, under his new guidelines, a panel of six people has to approve each such military detention. All six have to agree, i.e. each of the six has the ability to veto it and force the person to go through the civilian justice system. One of those members is the secretary of state (currently Ms. Clinton), whose primary job is keeping other countries happy with us.

      Of course, as soon as Obama is out of office, be that in one year or five, the next president can erase all that and come up with their own guidelines. It is a bad law, and it should be changed. But it won't be changed so long as Republicans control Congress.

    14. Re:One time experience? by flyneye · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, let's talk about Cary and his band of thieves calling the kettle black.
      Whining little bitch is holdin on to his CEO title tight, 'cause he knows the industrys days are numbered and all he can do is harvest from courts.
      Well if he thinks we should sit still and give his lies calm consideration he should lie in one hand and shit in the other, then see which hand fills up first.
      The internet has empowered people to Open-Government in an indirect way. The people are saying "NO!" in a very God-like way," we are tired of you witholding talent and ripping off musicians for more than a century.We are tired of your manipulation guiding the path of the music we hear.We don't acknowledge your right to survive and continue to screw us all with your antics over the years. We see that musicians can live better without you and prosper. No industry is needed for this scenario. BTW, go die.We will also out your paid politicians treason and they will have nothing more to do with you. Viva la Revolution"

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  2. Nope.avi by Alunral · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry, Mr RIAA CEO, it wasn't a one time deal. As long as you morons try passing this crap, we'll keep protesting. And the protests will only get bigger and bigger.

    1. Re:Nope.avi by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sorry, Mr RIAA CEO, it wasn't a one time deal. As long as you morons try passing this crap, we'll keep protesting. And the protests will only get bigger and bigger.

      I so hope you are correct. Sadly that does not seem to be how these things traditionally work. They keep making slight changes and resubmitting them over and over until the public becomes apathetic and finally passing it.

    2. Re:Nope.avi by pushing-robot · · Score: 5, Funny

      Honestly, his statements sound like they belong in an Onion article.

      "Daryl Gates Hopes L.A. Riots Were a One-Time Thing, Eager to Resume Beating Black People"

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  3. Funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thats funny... I was hoping SOPA was the one time thing.

  4. You want it to be a "One-Time Thing"? by ToiletBomber · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The answer is very simple. Knock it off with your attempts to control the internet.

  5. I think I speak for the entire Internet when I say by spidercoz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    go fuck yourself, Cary.

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  6. Broadcast journalists? by DanTheStone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From what I recall, those broadcast journalists didn't even cover the bills. I'm sure they would greatly prefer the internet doing the same.

  7. Yeah, yeah, Wikipedians were deluded by bbtom · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wikipedia admin here that was quite involved with the shutdown. RIAA guy thinks we were 'deluded'.

    Here's what actually happened. We had a discussion on Wikipedia for a few weeks. We asked the Wikimedia Foundation to instruct their General Counsel to prepare us a detailed listing of exactly what the problems are for Wikipedia with the bill. He did so, and produced a document listing a variety of problems that SOPA might cause for Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects. We then had a vote as to whether or not to take action.

    By 'deluded', he means we as a community decided to ask a lawyer to look at the bill and tell us what he thinks, and then decided to take action. If that's delusion, I'm not sure what counts as sanity any more.

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    1. Re:Yeah, yeah, Wikipedians were deluded by gman003 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wait, you had an actual lawyer look at it?

      That's more than Congress did.

  8. Door in face by StripedCow · · Score: 5, Informative

    SOPA is just part of an exercising of the "door in the face technique". See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique

    Soon, they'll loosen their demands a little and suddenly governments will be okay with it.

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  9. It wasn't misinformation... by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...it was that the public was PROPERLY informed for the *very first* time.

    In other words, the public *wasn't* misinformed on these ideas for the very first time.

    And look at the amount of effort it took. It proves the posit that we've all been saying: corporate monopoly of information is one of the worst things that can happen to a free society. There is no real marketplace of ideas in the U.S. This is one of the few times in scores of years there has been anywhere near a fair debate on an important subject, and certain players had to scream LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME to get it.

  10. Re:I think I speak for the entire Internet when I by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's not how you spell "I hope every nerve ending in your body is permanently made to think it's on fire and you live forever", but yeah, the entire Internet is saying this.

  11. Clarity and integrity by rust627 · · Score: 5, Funny

    of broadcast journalists

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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  12. Re:Would you kindly... by Surt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah, where are the NRA nutjobs when you actually need them to get something done. Look, we've let you keep your firearms. Now comes your half of the bargain.

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  13. The RIAA/MPAA have no room to talk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They've been spreading disinformation for years on the news. Wikipedia on the otherhand does a much better job living up to standards like NPOV, and all its sub-rules, like no weasal words than any mainstream news source ever did.

    Before anyone questions this what did Wikipedia do that comes close to "hackers on steroids"? This was a modern mainstream news segment. Did anyone loose their job over that? Thats not even touching RFC 1392, for what a hacker even was, something that seemed to be ignored by just about every mainstream media outlet(represented by the RIAA/MPAA that is).
    https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1392

    But hey, what do trade organizations know? I mean they just

    What was the big media's coverage of SOPA/PIPA to begin with??? Thats right, a total blackout. There was no discussion of this on mainstream news. The tactic was obviously sneak it by without anyone in the general public thinking about it until it was way to late.

    As for piracy rules, they are already far too strong. They are basicly forcing start ups and small businesses who don't have the money to hire lawyers out of their own IP by letting well funding legal harrassment campaigns deprive them out of the very IP that is said to be protected?

    Anyone who's ever used a free music track on youtube knows this. This is not content creators going after their work, its trolls and bullys stealing from people using the law via intimidation.

    We need intellectual property law reform, and we need to place limits and what can and cannot be owned, and big time restrictions on acusations of unauthorized use.

  14. Cary Sherman: by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fuck. You.

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  15. I suppose it's a sign by shikitohno · · Score: 5, Insightful

    of how weak his own position is that his only response is the cry foul and claim everyone who opposed the bill had been misled. We weren't misled. We knew exactly why this bill was such a horrible piece of legislation. If anyone, it was him and the bills backers who were deluded in thinking that people would not get pissed off by such horribly half-baked legislation. We're talking about something that would have essentially made him and his friends judge and jury on copyright infringement online, will little to no recourse for the accused to defend themselves, and even then only after the fact.

    We've seen how well they handled even lesser power in these matters, between frivolous DMCA takedown notices (sometimes on stuff they didn't even own the rights to), and more recently the case of a company claiming birdsong was in violation of its copyrights. The bill demonstrated a blatant disregard for internet security, by potentially crippling DNSSEC. And their response was simply, "Well, you're just going to have to scratch that plan and come up with something else, now aren't you?"

    Given their practical disdain for how the internet works, and a plethora of precedents demonstrating they will not hesitate to abuse any power given them, we simply must have been misled into believing they didn't have our best interests at heart. I find this patronizing, "You just don't worry about it, we know what's best for you." attitude completely offensive. I'll be watching for the next time they try and slip garbage like this through, and you can be damn sure I'll be opposed to it then. Don't call me misled when you're lying through your teeth to me. I don't take kindly to it, and I would hope no one else would either. I'd love to see this inane series of statements by him blow up in his face and lead to even greater opposition next time he and his friends try to force something like SOPA down our throats.

  16. I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but... by langelgjm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Cary Sherman did have at least one good point. On the RIAA's Music Notes blog, he discussed how he went through and read every one of the 280 some comments on his very poorly received New York Times op-ed.

    I was one of the ones who posted a substantive, up-voted comment on his op-ed, and his blog post addressed something I (and several other commenters) pointed out. Just Googling for the text of the bill leaves one with a misleading impression, because important amendments were not included in that text. I took Sherman to task for what I viewed as purposefully misleading people in his op-ed, doing exactly what he was complaining Wikipedia and Google were doing.

    On that particular detail, I was wrong, and Sherman was right. So the point is taken that there is a lot of misunderstanding about what precisely this bill will do and not do. That said, what I think he continually fails to understand is that his association (and really, the entire industry) has virtually no credibility in the minds of the tech-savvy, Internet-using public. We know the record companies rip off actual artists with raw contracts. We know the RIAA supported the ridiculous tactic of suing individual file-sharers for astronomical damages in order to bully them into settlement. We know they inflate their losses, that they massage data, and that they lobby hard for what they want. In fact, that last part is to be expected by any industry trade group.

    We're Americans. We know that practically everyone in politics is lying to us whenever they open their mouth. That's not news. I'm not sure why Cary Sherman expects a free pass on this issue... you've got the lobbying money, get in there and play hardball like everyone else.

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  17. Re:I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We're Americans. We know that practically everyone in politics is lying to us whenever they open their mouth. That's not news. I'm not sure why Cary Sherman expects a free pass on this issue... you've got the lobbying money, get in there and play hardball like everyone else.

    Cary's problem is that he doesn't have the money. Music is a pathetically small business compared to other media...only a couple $billion/year. The movie industry is measured in tens of $billions/year, and so are the videogame and TV industries. The very quiet, very boring print industry behemoth is over one $trillion/year. (If that surprises you, compare Lady Gaga's wealth to JK Rowling's. People spend more money on books in one summer than has ever been spent on music ever.)

    What the RIAA expected was for every other media industry to follow their lead in drawing a line in the sand and fighting digital delivery and taking a hard-line stance on piracy. They would lead the charge and thought eventually the others would back them up with real resources later. MPAA stuck with them for a little while, but the other industries starting hedging their bets and seeing where the technology goes. Oops.

  18. Re:Would you kindly... by tnk1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    SOPA can't be made permanent by a Supreme Court ruling. It's merely legislation, and legislation can always be repealed. The way to remove SOPA is to elect people who will repeal it. Even Constitutional Amendments can be repealed, although that is fairly uncommon (but it has happened at least a few times).

    In any event, no fighting is required. Yes, it may be hard to remove the people in power without guns if they are entrenched in the system, but all you technically need are votes.

    Now if they start seriously cheating on the elections...and I don't mean one or two contested elections... that's the time to start consider the guns, because then, there is almost no recourse but that. Just remember that the French Revolution started with the best of intentions, and ended up causing rivers of blood both in France and elsewhere. Let's not get too hasty in our appeal to the gun, even if we should defend our right to have that ability.

  19. Re:saving children and 1-time events by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hate to break it to you, but anything you can dream up with satire, they're already dreaming up for real.

    SOPA-II is ... wait for it ... PC-FIPA, HR1981 = Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act.

    I submitted it a week ago for a Slashdot story. It got voted up Red Hot in the Firehose. Slashdot didn't run it. They ran the Idle piece of "Eternal Copyright" instead.

    So yes, RIAA-Guy is partially right. We're already bored with Blackouts.

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