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Iran's Smart Concrete Can Cope With Earthquakes and Bombs

PolygamousRanchKid writes "Iran is an earthquake zone, so its engineers have developed some of the toughest building materials in the world. Ultra-high performance concrete (UHPC) could also be used to protect hidden nuclear installations from the artificial equivalent of small earthquakes, namely bunker-busting bombs. UHPC is based—like its quotidian cousins—on sand and cement. In addition, though, it is doped with powdered quartz (the pure stuff, rather than the tainted variety that makes up most sand) and various reinforcing metals and fibers. UHPC can withstand more compression than other forms of concrete. UHPC is also more flexible and durable than conventional concrete. It can therefore be used to make lighter and more slender structures. All of which is fine and dandy for safer dams and better sewers, which threaten no one. But UHPC's potential military applications are more intriguing—and for many, more worrying. Deep bunkers can be tackled in other ways. America's Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) has looked at what is known in the jargon as functional defeat, in other words bombing their entrances shut or destroying their electrical systems with electromagnetic pulses. They are also working on active penetrators—bombs which can tunnel through hundreds of meters of earth, rock and concrete. Development work is also under way on esoteric devices such as robot snakes, carrying warheads, which can infiltrate via air ducts and cable runs."

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  1. Today's dose of fearmongering... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...brought to you by "the department of give-us-more-tax-dollars."

    1. Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In breaking news, man confronted with baseball bat puts his hands up to fend himself. This is a clear indicator that proves the man was intent on violence.

      Seriously? these old wankers feeding us this bullshit don't understand that the internet never forgets their lies and many of us have clued into wtf is going on?

    2. Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Vs. a Country which is trying to become a Theocracy which already has hundreds of nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them at a distance.. how could that be bad?

    3. Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Can't remember the last time someone in the US was executed for converting religions, or arrested for carrying Bibles into the airport. Theocracy? Not sure you know what that word really means - nor have you really experienced it. Go to Saudi Arabia with a few Bibles in your luggage, sometime. Or try to enter Syria with an Israel stamp in your passport - you'll learn soon enough!

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    4. Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... by artor3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The United States is not a theocracy, despite attempts by a minority to make us one. The United States most certainly does not "regularly annihilate" countries.

      I'm no fan of the Iraq War, but the country was certainly not annihilated. Now care to name some more examples of this "unending warfare" you claim?

      I know its trendy to scream and holler about how the US is some dystopian super-villain, but saying something boldly and loudly does not make it true.

    5. Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... by ThomasFlip · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Typical retarded arguments. First off all many Arab nations and people question the existence of Israel, that doesn't mean they want to nuke the entire country and kill all of its citizens, it just means they don't recognize Israel as a legitimate state. Kind of like the U.S. doesn't really recognize Palestine as a legitimate state. Second of all, even if Iran got the nuke, do you really think they are going to start lobbing nukes into Tel Aviv? Their entire military and leadership would be annihilated in a day and a U.S. puppet government would be installed. North Korea has arguably the most fucked up regime in the entire world and even they're not stupid enough to start nuking Seoul because the Korean war "never ended". Third of all, the only country that's every actually nuked anyone is the United States and they had arguably already won WWII. Fourth of all, Iran's actually signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty while Israel hasn't. You can argue they're violating it but it's clearly pure hypocrisy. I could go on and on with more points.... People need to stop buying into neo-con propaganda at face value and do a little critical thinking. This whole thing reminds me of the Iraq war all over again.

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    6. Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Now go to Saudi Arabia with a few Bibles and see what happens... We're not just talking an extra close screening, but arrest, jail - and potentially death. Seriously, if you think the US is a theocracy in the vein of those in the Middle East, then you've never really traveled to those places. In the US, you can walk into a bookstore and buy Qur'an, the Talmud, or even a book of Satanic rituals. Can you buy Bible in Saudi Arabia? Mere possession is grounds for life in prison - selling can earn you a death sentence.

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    7. Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd like to add that Israel contains the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock, two very sacred Islamic sites. How likely do you think a religious fundamentalist government would nuke their own sacred sites? We can argue about nut cases etc. but seriously its very unlikely. I think all people that have seriously looked into the events happening in the middle east realize that many nations, including Iran, want to return the lands occupied by Israel to the Palestinians. . Israel has nukes, tons of UN resolutions it regularly ignores, chemical and possibly biological weapons. When will it be hit with sanctions, inspections, etc.? Israel has used banned weapons on opponents, most recently of which were the phosphorous bombs it dropped on people in Lebanon. Israel even acknowledged it used them. Why no outrage? Where was all the media?

      I definitely agree about the hypocrisy part. Its foolish that people either can't see it or are wrapped in denial.

    8. Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Israel does not need absurd casus belli. Unlike many other countries out there, it is perfectly straightforward in how it goes about war. It's not shy about calling it "war", either.

      If and when they will believe that Iran's nuclear capability is approaching the point where it's a threat to Israel, they will just strike - same as what they did about Osirak.

    9. Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      we have also come to the aid of the defenseless more than anyone else too.

      How's that kool-aid? Tasty? An empire does not wage war to "aid the defenseless", but to give itself more power (of course in the specific case of the USA there's also the military-industrial complex problem). Why doesn't the USA aid the "defenseless" in friendly regimes like Saudi Arabia, which although a rich country (and by no means the worst one out there) still considers women as second-class citizens? How come the USA is always first in line to criticize Cuba for not being democratic, while the same USA brings down democratically elected governments all around the world? I'll tell you why: the guys who make the rules don't give a shit about helping others, they don't care about freedom or democracy, they just do whatever is necessary to further their goals. They do, however, lie about everything and you, my friend, believe every word of it.

    10. Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's really kind of offensive when you refuse to acknowledge they're just as extremist as the rest of the middle East, like when they hang a pastor for not converting from Christianity. Turn to Islam or die, eh? Yeah - just like the US! /sarc

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  2. Bias by SwedishPenguin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, just because this "high performance" concrete was developed in Iran, it has dangerous military applications? Dangerous as in able to withstand US bombs? Should we start banning defensive technologies in order to make it easier for the US to invade?
    If this was developed in any other nation, "military applications" would never have been mentioned.

    Please don't fall for the fearmongering, Iran is not going to attack anyone, they know very well they would be instantly overrun. This is Iraq all over again.

    As an aside, while I very much object to anyone including the US having nuclear weapons, I can't really see why Iran having them - if they indeed do - is a problem while Israel having them is not, a country that has constantly refused to sign the non-proliferation treaty and employs an Apartheid-like policy towards Palestinians.

  3. McCarthy would be proud of you guys. by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Iran is a very religious country, so is the US. Muslims want to kill Christians, Christians want to kill Muslims. Iran has corrupt leaders, that allow their people to suffer hunger, poor health care and bad education in order to spend millions in armament, this is also true about the US. It's also true that Iran is a fairly small country with few resources, while the US is a huge country and the most resourceful on the planet, and while Iran has failed in most military operations it has attempted, the US has succeeded. Iran is trying to get some nuclear weapons, the US is the only country to have ever used them on a civilian population. Currently Iran has no nuclear weapons, while the US has thousands. Iran is not currently at war, while the US has been consistently starting wars every year for 200 years.

    And yet, when the US develops a new weapon, a new fighter, a new bomb, a new droid, or any other military advancement and clearly plans to use it soon at war, it's praised for its technological achievement. But when Iran develops a new construction technology, that has tens of applications, one of them, defense, then it's something we should be worried about and it makes Iran evil, and we should ask the glorious united states of america to destroy them real soon.

    Fuck that bullshit, your western christian theocracy is no better than the eastern muslim theocracies, and just as crazy, delusional and violent.

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  4. Smart? by artor3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Putting aside the obvious political flamebait, are we really now at a point where anything that's been at all updated since the 1950s is considered "smart"? The term makes sense for things that have a microcontroller added to them, but that's not the case here. This concrete isn't any smarter than my toothbrush.

  5. Re:Dear americans by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Okay, you put me on the defensive. I joined the Air Force, which meant that I would get a bitchin' tech job(and I did) and likely never face danger. Yeah, call me a pussy, I don't give a fuck. It was during a time of (relative) peace and sanity, so I knew I wouldn't have to deal with wartime bullshit. I joined because I was unmotivated in high school, because I had a life, and so I needed job training and a college fund. My family were disciplined, but they sure as hell weren't rich - and I did need some discipline at the time. Why the hell not? Am I a pussy for admitting that?

    I got out right after 9/11, but before the wars kicked in. I knew that the rationale for the wars was bullshit(WMD? we sold Saddam that WMD!), but by that time I was happy enough being the fuck out of the military. And yes, the world would be a better place if all of the religious people, or at least the people who subscribe to one or more of the three monotheistic religions of the Middle-East, would drop dead on the spot. That is where the trouble lies.

    So the short answer is, no, I'm not a hypocrite.

  6. Re:Dear americans by Lord+Kano · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And yes, the world would be a better place if all of the religious people, or at least the people who subscribe to one or more of the three monotheistic religions of the Middle-East, would drop dead on the spot. That is where the trouble lies.

    I would be more content if the people who wanted to force others to believe what they believe at the end of a rifle or sword were singled out. Peaceful Christians, Jews and Muslims are not the problem.

    LK

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