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Warner Bros: New Program To Digitize Your DVDs

shoutingloudly writes "Warner Brothers has just announced a new 'Disc-to-Digital' program to convert your DVDs into digital files that you can play on your internet-connected computers. As the helpful Public Knowledge graphics demonstrate, all you have to do is find a participating store, drive there, pay again for your movie, wait while it's ripped for you, drive home, and hope it works. This will surely have tech-savvy movie fans saying, 'Brilliant! I've been looking for an excuse to uninstall this free, 1-step DVD ripper that I can use in the comfort of my own home. This is much better than DMCA reform.'" In exchange for paying a bit more you might get a higher resolution copy (DRM encumbered and stored in "the cloud"). The launch process is absurdly cumbersome, but: "Later on, Internet retailers like Amazon.com will email customers to offer digital copies of DVDs they previously bought. Eventually, consumers will be able to put DVDs into PCs or certain Blu-ray players that will upload a copy, similar to the way people turn music CDs into MP3 files." Will the video distributors ever offer DRM-free files that you own? The music industry doesn't seem to be any worse off than they were when they insisted upon DRM.

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  1. For only a small fee I can watch my own movie? by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wow, what a deal.

    Seriously, who the hell is in charge at Warner Home Video these days? When DVD first came out in 1997, Warner was one of the leaders in DVD's. They offered the best extras, were the first to make anamorphic DVD's their standard (meaning my first Warner DVD's still look pretty good even on a HDTV), and were real cheerleaders for the format back when a lot of people were saying things like "Why would Joe Sixpack want to give up his VHS tapes?" and "Laserdisc looks so much better" (I kid you not, those were prominent arguments against DVD in those days).

    But in the last few years, their home video department has went to shit. Their support for early HD-DVD and blu-ray was weak. Their blu-ray discs these days are almost as annoying with the upfront/unskippable trailers as Sony. Even their extras seem weak these days.

    You used to be cool, Warner.

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    1. Re:For only a small fee I can watch my own movie? by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't be silly; obviously this is the most exciting revolution the film industry has ever seen! Can't you see how cutting-edge and novel this technology is? Why, I'm sure absolutely everyone will line up to use this revolutionary and convenient service before you can blink! The future is today!

      ...now wait for them to kill it, and whine about how it's obviously impossible to capitalize on digital distribution.

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    2. Re:For only a small fee I can watch my own movie? by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wow, what a deal.

      MPAA: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.

      Us: Uh, you're not Darth Vader, and we don't need to take the deal. We're going to continue ripping our movies for backup if we want.

      MPAA: I FORCE CHOKE YOU! [extends hand]

      Us: This is almost as painful to watch as episode one.

    3. Re:For only a small fee I can watch my own movie? by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nobody is protesting the fact that the future's model will probably be digital purchases stored in the cloud and accessed anywhere.

      I'm not protesting it ... but I'm not going there until I have no other choice.

      I want my media contained on my machine, and in a way that doesn't require an internet connection or make it possible for someone to decide that I've "unbought" it.

      I'm not paying my ISP for the bandwidth to download something I already have ... I for one will not be putting anything into the cloud, because you basically lose control over it.

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    4. Re:For only a small fee I can watch my own movie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nobody is protesting the fact that the future's model will probably be digital purchases stored in the cloud and accessed anywhere.

      I'm not protesting it ... but I'm not going there until I have no other choice.

      Arrr, there's always a choice, matey. When bowing and scraping to the king's men becomes too hard for ye, mayhap you'll sign articles with us?

    5. Re:For only a small fee I can watch my own movie? by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Funny

      Arrr, there's always a choice, matey. When bowing and scraping to the king's men becomes too hard for ye, mayhap you'll sign articles with us?

      Well, I get sea-sick, have a slight phobia of parrots, and I'm not surrendering the booty under any circumstances. But I'll keep you in mind.

      The wenches, rum and singing sound fun, however, as do the cool hats.

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    6. Re:For only a small fee I can watch my own movie? by Dogtanian · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Old people don't get it, and they never will. The digital revolution is about what's possible that wasn't possible before, not about doing everything the way you did it before only with digital files instead of physical media.

      Yes, this is my theory on (partly) why DVD recorders rose then fell in popularity.

      DVD recorders are obviously based on different technologies to VCRs, but from a consumer point of view, the usage model is similar- removable media that stores a similar quantity of video. You basically use it like you use a VCR, but with discs instead of tapes. Also, prerecorded DVDs and players replaced prerecorded videocassettes, so shouldn't video cassette recording be replaced by DVD recording? You can see how people used to VCRs would mentally have perceived the DVD recorder as their logical successor.

      Except that this is flawed because it forgets that most recording on VCRs was done for timeshifting purposes rather than archiving, and now that PVRs/DVRs exist, they're way more useful because they remove the need to faff about with (and store) tapes altogether, hold more than enough for most people's timeshifting use and tend to include useful facilities like "series record" (i.e. no messing about with timers).

      The video recorder was the best way of doing that in its day, but the DVD Recorder isn't the best way of doing it nowadays.

      IMHO, people's thinking has now been weaned off the "VCR model" of doing things and they have now realised the benefits of the DVR. I also think that people realised that DVD recorders were a PITA, with media type compatibility issues and general temperamentality that made them less straightforward than a VCR replacement ought to have been. They might be useful for archiving, but the "old way of thinking" would blind one to the fact they're not, and were never, the VCR's true successor.

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    7. Re:For only a small fee I can watch my own movie? by houghi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      but I'm not going there until I have no other choice.

      And that is why they will succeed. Because you think that at some point you have no choice, so you will go there.
      I will not go there. is the only option. And that might mean not seeing any movies. The moment you are willing to accept whatever they trow at you, you have lost.

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    8. Re:For only a small fee I can watch my own movie? by Endo13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not true. That's what copyright has been perverted to now, but that's not what it was supposed to be. Copyright is supposed to be the public temporarily giving up their right to do whatever they want with what they bought so the creator/author has temporary exclusive distribution rights to provide a monetary incentive for the creation of said work. The goal of copyright was not to allow people to make money. The goal was to have more works created for the public, with the assumption that more works is a good thing. The money is just the carrot to entice the artists/authors/creators/whatever to create those works. Or to put it another way, the money is the means, not the end. The original authors of copyright law clearly felt the end justified the means. Unfortuately, due to the steaming pile of feces copyright law has become, that is no longer the case. The end no longer justifies the means. That is why so many people pirate and don't care.

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    9. Re:For only a small fee I can watch my own movie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      you never owned it, what you bought was a license, not the content.

      So, I scratch my DVD, they'll send me another, right? After all, I didn't buy the DVD itself, I bought a license to the content on the DVD, which, because of the scratch, I can no longer access. And since I paid for access to that content, they'll send me another DVD free, Right??

  2. Wait a minute. by Hatta · · Score: 5, Funny

    There are analog DVDs?

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    1. Re:Wait a minute. by xclr8r · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The following is not my stance.

      It does a couple things:
      1. It shows there are alternatives to piracy so that "I have no alternative" isn't valid anymore.
      2. #1 allows legislatures to lay down laws that are harsh since there are alternatives.
      3. It's a labor intensive process that will make someone say why bother my time is worth more. Then the option of buying through some internet portal is made available at slightly higher price than conversion. win - win.. right?!?
      4. profit off the docile and persecute the unbelievers.

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    2. Re:Wait a minute. by Dahamma · · Score: 5, Informative

      The summary is misleading (as usual). There is no ripping and copying of each DVD, that would be stupid.

      From what I have read about it they just verify that you own the DVD, mark the inner ring with some stamp so that you can't just give it to your friend to take back to the store, and then charge you a couple of dollars for each to add the movies to a digital rights locker (Ultraviolet, or whatever). After that you can stream it on any computer/device/tablet/whatever that supports it.

      Better deal than buying a whole new streaming version, I guess, but given how they always make the distinction of "ownership" vs. "right to watch" you'd think you already paid for the right to watch it and should get this service for *free*. I guess *if* the streaming service actually stays around it will cover their lifetime streaming costs, etc, for the movie (though I think = $0.50 would cover that, given most people don't end up watching most movies they buy more than once).

  3. Handbrake Plug by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Informative

    I didn't see Handbrake on that page of search results from Freecode so I thought I'd offer this up as well. Fairly simple interface, runs flawlessly on Windows 7 and Ubuntu for me. Open source and easy way to get DVDs into m4v format. Plus there are preset resolutions for things like iPhones, iPods and I found the resolution for a PSP. So basically I spend my flights with circumaural Sennheisers and Futurama or MST3K playing on my PSP -- the worse part about that setup being that Sony's memory card cost me a ton. So far it's ripped the blu-rays I've put in just fine as well.

    Rip them to m4v and host them with PS3 Media Server and then they're good to play over your network to your PS3 or XBox 360 (and probably any other UPnP compliant device).

    Do I feel guilty that I have shelled out $35+ for each of the 22 sets of MST3K and each season of Futurama and then violated copyright to move said shows onto any device capable of playing video? Not one fucking bit. Go ahead and do your little song and dance, I've got my shit figured out (thank you open source!).

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    1. Re:Handbrake Plug by DurendalMac · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not to mention that Handbrake is multithreaded to hell and back. Ripping a DVD can keep my i7 2600k @ 4.5ghz pegged above 80% the whole time. A high-quality DVD rip will finish in less than 20 minutes per pass. Haven't tried BluRay yet, but I will soon.

    2. Re:Handbrake Plug by X0563511 · · Score: 5, Informative

      It uses libdvdread. libdvdread will use libdvdcss if it's available.... so you just have to make sure you have it in a location the dynamic loader can find it (eg with all the other dll/so files in it's installation)

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  4. Re:Already have some by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    don't forget handbrake and ripbotx264

  5. If I buy a DVD by eternaldoctorwho · · Score: 5, Funny

    then why am I allowed to watch it as many times as I want? It seems like being able to have unlimited free viewings of the movie would infringe on some sort of DRM protections. I'm surprised they are not arguing that I need to pay per viewing as if I kept going back to the theater. After all, those who own a DVD of a movie will not go back and buy more copies, thus taking business away from movie producers the MPAA studios honest hard-working people.

  6. Re:They stabbed it with their steely knives... by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The self destructing DVDs weren't a terrible idea. It allowed a rental model without having to return them. This would have made it a consumer convenience.

    The problem is public acceptance. I think people have a natural belief that the cost of buying something is related to the cost to make it. If they can buy exactly the same thing for less, but they're paying extra to have it not be deliberately sabotaged. Even if they do understand the business model it's hard to shake this feeling of being fleeced.

  7. I can't wait until Hollywood unions find out. by Picass0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The MPAA and RIAA have been playing the shell game of leasing and owning content with consumers for years. They might have finally stuck their foot in it.

    The RIAA is currently going after digital music re-sellers with the argument that consumers licensed the music use and do not own the asset for re-sale. Recently musicians have taken notice of the case because they get a one time payment for each sale. Treating the sale as a license means they are being grossly underpaid.

    Now Warner is going to legally re-define your DVD from a sale to a digital license. I have a feeling many of the hundreds of people involved in creating each film will have an opinion about this.

  8. Re:Already have some by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Funny

    I accidentally installed AnyDVD and it fixes that problem

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