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Edward Teller: Father of the Hydrogen Bomb

pigrabbitbear writes "Edward Teller, the father of the hydrogen bomb, had a thing for nuclear bombs. He wanted them bigger, smaller, faster, used in ways that no one had thought of before or since, and always more of them. He suffered no fools, and though he would be more vilified than any other American scientist in the 20th century, he always dismissed his critics as lacking in common sense or patriotism. Amid Cold War paranoia and fears of the Soviet nuclear program, the stakes were simply too high: for the free world, building the most powerful weapon in history was a matter of life and horrible death."

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  1. Wonder what Mr. Teller thinks of Iran? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now that Iran wants to have nuke, what would the opinion of Mr. Teller be?

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    1. Re:Wonder what Mr. Teller thinks of Iran? by artor3 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If Iran ever dared to use such a weapon against anyone, it would be the last thing it ever did.

      Most likely true, but what if we're in a situation where the Iranian regime is already facing its end? For example, I believe they have another election coming up. I expect it will be stolen just like the last one. And perhaps like the last one, there will be widespread protests. So far, pretty reasonable, right?

      But let's say that the protestors, inspired by the Arab Spring events, push harder this time, and actually get close to toppling the regime. Given Iran's abuses of its own people last time, I doubt they'd hesitate to employ the same tactics used in Syria and Lebanon - outright war against anyone opposing them.

      There could be no help from the international community if they had nukes, because if the regime thought they were really going to fall and that their rulers would end up like Gaddafi, they have no reason not to pull out all the stops. If you're really facing down an angry mob that wants to tear you limb from limb, using a nuke is a GREAT option -- it is the ultimate punishment for those who have done this to you, and it buys you time while your enemies regroup. Time which you can use to try to get out of the country, or at least surrender to the International Criminal Court (which does not employ capital punishment, unlike your former subjects).

      All the fear-mongering about them nuking Israel is a ruse. The Middle Eastern dictators need Israel as a bogeyman to scare their citizens, and Israel plays right into their hands by acting the part quite regularly. Tehran wants a nuke to ensure the survival of their regime, nothing more, nothing less. The Iranian people would be wise to oppose such a development, not that their opposition is liable to have any effect.

  2. Teller and Oppenheimer by mbone · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Teller destroyed the career of Robert Oppenheimer for no damn good reason, after which his own graduate students shunned him.

    I have no interest in anything to do about him.

  3. His son... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...Paul Teller taught at UC Davis in the 80's and 90's(maybe still does). When I took his philosophy of science course(PHI 108), on the first meeting with the TA, he said "Don't ask him about his father".

  4. Salami tactics by martin-boundary · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If Iran ever dared to use such a weapon against anyone, it would be the last thing it ever did.

    Not necessarily. Suppose Iran used a nuke against North Korea? Would the world approve or disapprove? China would disapprove, but America might not. The UK probably would approve. Who would retaliate against Iran? Who would be allowed to bomb or even nuke Teheran? Overall, the question is difficult to answer, and that means there's a shade of gray.

    Now let's say Iran used a nuke on some slightly less evil place, but still evil. Would that turn the *whole* world against Iran, or would the support be divided, with slightly more countries against than if it was North Korea?

    At what point would the *whole* world unanimously support wiping Iran off the map? If Iran attacked America? If Iran attacked one of the former Soviet states? What if Iran attacked Zimbabwe?

    1. Re:Salami tactics by nusuth · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I copy and paste without shame:
      http://homepage.mac.com/msb/163x/faqs/nuclear_warfare_101.html

      The Nuclear Game - An Essay on Nuclear Policy Making

      When a country first acquires nuclear weapons it does so out of a very accurate perception that possession of nukes fundamentally changes it relationships with other powers. What nuclear weapons buy for a New Nuclear Power (NNP) is the fact that once the country in question has nuclear weapons, it cannot be beaten. It can be defeated, that is it can be prevented from achieving certain goals or stopped from following certain courses of action, but it cannot be beaten. It will never have enemy tanks moving down the streets of its capital, it will never have its national treasures looted and its citizens forced into servitude. The enemy will be destroyed by nuclear attack first. A potential enemy knows that so will not push the situation to the point where our NNP is on the verge of being beaten. In effect, the effect of acquiring nuclear weapons is that the owning country has set limits on any conflict in which it is involved. This is such an immensely attractive option that states find it irresistible.

      Only later do they realize the problem. Nuclear weapons are so immensely destructive that they mean a country can be totally destroyed by their use. Although our NNP cannot be beaten by an enemy it can be destroyed by that enemy. Although a beaten country can pick itself up and recover, the chances of a country devastated by nuclear strikes doing the same are virtually non-existent. [This needs some elaboration. Given the likely scale and effects of a nuclear attack, its most unlikely that the everybody will be killed. There will be survivors and they will rebuild a society but it will have nothing in common with what was there before. So, to all intents and purposes, once a society initiates a nuclear exchange its gone forever]. Once this basic factor has been absorbed, the NNP makes a fundamental realization that will influence every move it makes from this point onwards. If it does nothing, its effectively invincible. If, however, it does something, there is a serious risk that it will initiate a chain of events that will eventually lead to a nuclear holocaust. The result of that terrifying realization is strategic paralysis.

      With that appreciation of strategic paralysis comes an even worse problem. A non-nuclear country has a wide range of options for its forces. Although its actions may incur a risk of being beaten they do not court destruction. Thus, a non-nuclear nation can afford to take risks of a calculated nature. However,a nuclear-equipped nation has to consider the risk that actions by its conventional forces will lead to a situation where it may have to use its nuclear forces with the resulting holocaust. Therefore, not only are its strategic nuclear options restricted by its possession of nuclear weapons, so are its tactical and operational options. So we add tactical and operational paralysis to the strategic variety. This is why we see such a tremendous emphasis on the mechanics of decision making in nuclear powers. Every decision has to be thought through, not for one step or the step after but for six, seven or eight steps down the line.

      We can see this in the events of the 1960s and 1970s, especially surrounding the Vietnam War. Every so often, the question gets asked "How could the US have won in Vietnam?" with a series of replies that include invading the North,extending the bombing to China and other dramatic escalations of the conflict. Now, it should be obvious why such suggestions could not, in the real world, be contemplated. The risk of ending up in a nuclear war was too great. For another example, note how the presence of nuclear weapons restricted and limited the tactical and operational options available to both sides in the 1973 Yom Kippur War. In effect neither side could push the war to a final conclusion because to do so would bring

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  5. Re:They Saved The World by mjwx · · Score: 3, Interesting

    2. It prevented the Soviets from seizing large parts of Japan by forcing a quick surrender to the Americans.

    As early as 1944 the Japanese began sending out feelers for peace, a conditional surrender were the Japanese terms. The big mistake was sending their envoy's through the Soviet union which wanted no peace between the Allies and the Japanese.

    I highly doubt it would have come to a prolonged attack on the Japanese home islands before a conditional surrender was hammered out. Japan had no desire to become part of the greater Soviet Union and would have surrendered to the Americans before that happened and the Americans did not want the casualties from a prolonged fight. Also, the Soviets were very reluctant to get involved in China. The Soviets only began their campaign against parts of Japanese held China and Mongolia on 8 August 1945, a major part of this was that it was a requirement for the Soviets to join the Pacific war in order to keep territories annexed in Eastern Europe (agreed to by Stalin, Churchill and Truman at Yalta, they cut up Europe before the war ended), The Instrument of surrender was signed on 8 September 1945, less then a month after the Soviets joined the war.

    Not that I question the decision of the US at the time, The soviets prevented the Americans from even knowing that Japan was talking of surrender but the Soviets would never have been a real part of the Japanese invasion, for no other reason then logistics most of the transports the Soviets had were American Liberty ships and no landing ships to speak of.

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  6. Re:They Saved The World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Revisionist crap. The Japanese were hellbent on taking the pacific to a lesser extent, a large chunk of China. They managed to capture its east cost pretty well. Now that I think about it. Diplomatically, I really wonder how the Chinese government thinks of America in this regards. We bloody well saved their ass!

    Nationalism keeps people from saying that other countries saved them, and before long no one remembers.

    How many people in the USA remember that the French made the American revolution possible? Lafayette St in Durham NC is named after the French general who volunteered to travel from France to Virginia to fight the British at his own expense. In the height of the build-up the Iraq war, I was in a restaurant a few blocks away from that street. People at another table made a big show of ordering "freedom fries".

  7. Communists != Muslims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Rules of MAD don't apply to Islamic regimes the same way that they did to Communists. Sure, the Communists (Soviets & Chinese) were evil, but they were at least rational about it - while they undoubtedly wanted to wipe out their enemies, they themselves wanted to survive. Which is why deterence worked during the Cold War. During that time, there were a lot of espionage & terrorist acts pulled off by the NKVD/KGB, but how many suicide bombings does anybody remember that the Soviets did?

    This does not apply to Islamic states. If they get hold of nukes and have the confidence that they can destroy their enemies, they'd be only too happy to do it, even if it means a nuclear retaliation. The entire phenomenon of suicide bombers makes it clear that they'd be happy to pay the price if they can have some guarantee that they'll wipe out their enemies - like Israel or India. The only reason Pakistan hasn't done it as yet is that they don't have enough nukes to wipe out India, and their long range missiles don't cover even most of India. The reason Iran hasn't done it to Israel is that they've not completed it as yet.

    It's bad enough that Pakistan has nukes, and the only reason they're not a threat to the US is that they don't have the ICBMs that can get anywhere even close. Iran getting them would be just as ugly. Also, just like Muslims hate Infidels, within the ummah, there are the various sectarian divisions, like the Shia vs the Sunni. Saudi Arabia can't stand the idea of a Shia Iran having the bomb, because that's the sort of power it needs to convert entire Sunni populations to Shia (like in the case of Lebanon). So Iran's getting nukes will start an arms race where oil-rich countries like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, et al will pay Pakistan to give them a part of their arsenal. Even in Iran vs Israel, the Saudis won't want the Shia to look like heros of the Islamic world for wiping out the Jews.