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Profile of a Real-Life Jedi Academy

dkleinsc writes "The NYTimes ran a profile of the New York Jedi Club, an organization dedicated to teaching the ways of the Force. Jedi Grandmaster Flynn Michael, a sound engineer and (by his own proclamation) an 'over-the-top geek,' connected the ideas of the Jedi with dance, martial arts, sword-fighting and Tibetan Buddhism to form the curriculum."

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  1. She's your sister .. by roguegramma · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, because of that.

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    1. Re:She's your sister .. by Aryden · · Score: 4, Funny

      Master the force and you can have sex with all the hotties you want... Why do you think the dark side is so damned popular?

    2. Re:She's your sister .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Force? At least in L.A. they call it "roofies"...

    3. Re:She's your sister .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      These people will not be having sex anytime in the forseeable future. They also won't be able to levitate, control objects with their mind, brainwash storm troopers, or shoot lightning. What we have here is a lose-lose situation.

  2. Expected market demand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What is the expected market demand for Jedi Knights? Can I take out a federal loan to pay my tuition fees?

    1. Re:Expected market demand by Mannfred · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The expected market demand for Jedi Knights is probably marginally less than the expected market demand for philosophers in general - yet this doesn't stop people from studying philosophy for misc reasons.

      However, in this case it seems like the primary goal is simply to provide exercise/dance classes with a bit of a Sci-Fi/philo twist (Sci-Phi?), and there's definitively a market demand for fitness courses/instructors. If this niche inspires a few couch potatoes to exercise more than they otherwise would, why not?

    2. Re:Expected market demand by metlin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do not mock philosophy. It provides a framework for understanding how the human mind works and establishes the roots behind our social, political, and economic norms.

      Simple things such as what constitutes human rights or morality are much more complex than you'd imagine (e.g. consider Michael J. Perry's view: Are human rights ineliminably religious, or is there a secular version of human rights that uphold our existence with the same amount of dignity and sanctity?). The answers to such questions play a role in a lot of things (e.g. the UN Charter of Human Rights, the Geneva Convention, creation and interpretation of laws etc).

      And speaking of laws, what about justice? If it fairness, or is it deterrence, or both? Where does one draw the line? Where do ethics come in? Can you legislate ethics? Why, or why not? For instance, try reading John Rawl's Theory of Justice one of these days, and you will not look at law the same way ever again.

      Most people who've studied philosophy (that I know of) are doing quite well, having gone on to work in law, anthropology, sociology, or even economics (e.g. Amartya Sen was awarded the Nobel memorial prize in economics for bringing a moral and ethical worldview to an otherwise transactional dominion). Having taken graduate classes in philosophy, I can guarantee you that philosophy requires good reading and writing comprehension, logical and analytical skills, and an ability for independent thought. In contrast, I am not exactly sure what skills being a "Jedi" knight from a fictional movie grant you.

  3. Did he find his stolen lightsaber? by Giorgio+Maone · · Score: 3, Informative
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    1. Re:Did he find his stolen lightsaber? by digitalderbs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, and according to this article, that lightsaber cost $700, which answers his question from the first article, "why would someone steal a lightsaber?" -- because, apparently, someone is willing to pay $100-$5000 for one (or lift one from a bar that is being passed around.......)

    2. Re:Did he find his stolen lightsaber? by Nugoo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Given how often Jedi lose their lightsabers in the movies, that only reinforces his authenticity.

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  4. Does anyone find it strange by Compaqt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    that, while on the one hand, many geeks find religion to be illogical, superstitious, and ill-founded

    on the other hand,

    many geeks are enamored of the religion of a bunch of characters in the mind of George Lucas in a galaxy far, far away?

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    1. Re:Does anyone find it strange by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's because they know the religion isn't serious. It's a game. There may be one or two crazy people who believe the force is real, but really real-world Jedi is just a combination of LARPing and themed costume events.

      If one of those one or two crazy people came out as actually believing the force is real and they could achieve telekinetic powers with enough training, you can be sure their fellow Jedi would swiftly try to talk them out of it. Then mock them. Then kick them out the club as a dangerous embarassment.

    2. Re:Does anyone find it strange by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How is that different from any religion?

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    3. Re:Does anyone find it strange by Sqr(twg) · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because in that fictinoal universe, the religion is not illogical, superstitious, or ill-founded. It actually works.

      If Christians could turn water into wine for real, I'd be a Christian.

      And drunk!

  5. Re:Zen by Spy+Handler · · Score: 3, Informative

    if you read too much Michael Shermer, why do you keep going to a temple? You should become James Randi's pupil or something.

    BTW there are more than just superficial cultural differences between Buddhism sects. For instance you have the ones that still believe it's possible to achieve enlightenment -- including recall and mastery over your past lives -- through your own study and efforts. Then you have the other kind that that gave up -- they're basically praying for Buddha's second coming so that he will take you to the pure land (since you can't find your own way).

    The former is not really a religion, more like a philosophy and a set of instructions (which is what Buddhism originally was). The latter is closer to modern religions such as Christianity and Islam.

  6. Re:Zen by Kupfernigk · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I'm not sure about this. Zen has a long tradition of challenging established ideas and substituting direct experience. As a Quaker I feel a strong affinity to Zen. The Quaker experience of testimony in meetings is very similar to the Zen requirement not to say anything till you have something of Zen to say. The Tea Ceremony is as pared down as a Quaker Meeting. On the other hand, the affinity between, say, the Roman Catholic Church and Tibetan Buddhism must immediately strike anyone who has ever studied any sociology of religion.

    Zen is an anti-religion which tells us first to train, and then to trust, our instincts. (Excellent programmers and engineers, I feel, often follow Zen practice in this. Mahayana Buddhism appeals to orthodoxy in its custom and practice. The superficial similarities cover a very, very different outlook.

    Typical of Zen: the teacher who delivered a lecture on the Arhats which began "The Arhats are like a dirty lavatory (meaning that the truth had been obscured by layers of rubbish applied over the years) and the other one who delivered a lecture which consisted of, in effect "The truth is all around you, open your eyes and look at it."

    So: "Jedis", which are a synthetic construct (but then so are the beliefs of the Catholic Church, the Mormons and the Jehovah's Witnesses) possibly do borrow more in outlook from Zen. But so, actually, does particle physics. Javascript: The Good Parts is a pretty Zen book. So, while I'm in this vein, is Buehler's Backyard Boatbuilding, surely one of the best project management manuals for very small teams ever written.

    As for reincarnation, you can view the Buddha's teaching as telling people that the existing religions and their insistence on reincarnation were nonsense. Realising that this is the only life we have and that following the Eightfold Path is the way to make the best of it - is part of enlightenment.

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  7. Re:Why not just have sex? by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ha ha.... even *I* saw this story and thought..... "NERDS!!!!!!!!!!"

    Er, maybe not in that voice though ;-)

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  8. Sage advice by multimediavt · · Score: 5, Informative

    “Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.”

    - Han Solo

    1. Re:Sage advice by Spy+Handler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      yeah, and look what happened to him. Got his blaster whipped out of his hands, tortured and cryogenically frozen.

    2. Re:Sage advice by jackbird · · Score: 5, Funny

      Luke getting the girl would have been... awkward.

      Of course Lucas could have decided to have more than 1 female in the galaxy without tentacles coming out of her head.

    3. Re:Sage advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      ** SPOILER ALERT **
      If you plan to read the books about what happen after episode 6, skip this message.

      Han was cryogenified, good. But then he kills Darth Sidious (definitively, this time) with his blaster, some years after episode 6.
      Darth Sidious is one of the few powerful force users to die stupidly (three times), unlike most others who die honorably in a lightsaber fight.

      ** END OF ALERT **

      Blaster may be basic, primitive, etc, they did the job lightsabers couldn't do many times.

      (PS : sorry for my english, not my native language, and for AC post (will eventually signup... one day))

  9. Re:Why not just have sex? by peragrin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Considering the 3 of the main religions on earth(christianity, islam, and judaism) all treat women as second class citizens, give them no real role in said religion and force them to be ashamed of themselves for even existing it is indeed amazing at all the religion even allows sex.

    seriously the only difference in their treatment of women is how much "modesty" they expect women to show.

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  10. Re:Why not just have sex? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Considering the 3 of the main religions on earth(christianity, islam, and judaism) all treat women as second class citizens, give them no real role in said religion and force them to be ashamed of themselves for even existing it is indeed amazing at all the religion even allows sex.

    seriously the only difference in their treatment of women is how much "modesty" they expect women to show.

    If religion doesn't allow sex, it dies off. The goal of the religion is control - the elite priesthood have a direct hotline to god and control it's practioners including their sexuality. Degrading women and controling who they procreate with while simultaneously making them feel like shit about getting any pleasure from the act or for that matter having boobs and arse and a cunt is just one of the many charming modus operandi used. It's not like men are allowed to fuck who they want with impunity either, but since the women have the babies he who controls the pussy controls the population..

  11. No, not really. by EnsilZah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The difference here is that the vast majority of those people are aware that the characters and workings of that world are fictional.
    I don't really see a problem with someone being inspired by fiction, be it Naruto or Charles Dickens or Jesus for that matter, just as long as they don't try to impose it on others and seek privileged status.

  12. Well, I can, actually by Kupfernigk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Listen friend

    Interestingly to me, Quakers (who call one another "Friend") do sometimes use the term as a kind of passive aggression as you do here.

    The short answer is that I can and do deny that reincarnation is fundamental to Buddhism. Fundamental to Buddhism is that by right thinking and right practices we can be freed from our illusions about the world, and when we become free we see that there is no afterlife and no reincarnation, and can therefore be free of suffering. I think you are confusing certain versions of Buddhism with the teachings of the Buddha. The exact same with Christianity: You can be a fundamentalist as, sadly, so many Americans seem to be, and absorb the whole mythos and optionally the post-Roman accretions or the Protestant obsessions with complicated sin and justification. Or you can believe that Jesus was a great prophet and that his teachings can be the basis of an ethical belief system that helps people to live well - which fits the world picture of a lot of Episcopalians, Unitarians and Quakers.

    As (as I note above) a Quaker and a Zen Buddhist, I think your thinking is in exactly the silo that led to that observation "The Arhats are like a dirty lavatory". You think that the accidental is fundamental.

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  13. Correction by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The title should read: "Profile of a Real-Life Make-Believe Jedi Academy".

    Compare this to the make-believe real-life Jedi Academy portrayed in the prequel movies. Getting the order of the adjectives right makes a big difference.

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  14. Re:Why not just have sex? by ukemike · · Score: 4, Informative

    Considering the 3 of the main religions on earth(christianity, islam, and judaism)

    Whoa! Dude your facts are a bit off. Judaism doesn't even make the top ten!

    Christianity: 2.1 billion
    Islam: 1.5 billion
    Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
    Hinduism: 900 million
    Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
    Buddhism: 376 million
    primal-indigenous: 300 million
    African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
    Sikhism: 23 million
    Juche: 19 million
    Spiritism: 15 million
    Judaism: 14 million

    from adherents.com

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  15. Public Service Announcement by TangoMargarine · · Score: 3, Informative

    The plural of "Jedi" is "Jedi," not "Jedis."

    Thank you.

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  16. Re:It's good enough by tehcyder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I just looked up "SCA heavy fighting". Jesus tittyfucking Christ there are some nutjobs in the world.

    It puts this story of fellow retards into a bit of perspective though. If I'd read about it in a book by Neil Stephenson, I would have admired the bold satire, never dreaming it could actually be true.

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  17. Re:It's good enough by gknoy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not only that, some of the fighters in the SCA are very interested in studying historical swordplay. I have friends in Caid (southern California) who have been studying unarmored combat from historical manuals -- the style is very different from what's historically accurate technique for fighting in heavy armor. (Which, contrary to what one might expect, mainly was a lot of grapping in order to secure an opportunity to pierce the unarmored or weakly armored portions of the enemy's coverage -- armpits, groins, necks, etc.)

    Pretty cool stuff if you're interested in historical fighting.