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When Are You Dead?

Hugh Pickens writes "Dick Teresi writes in the WSJ that becoming an organ donor seems like a noble act, but what doctors won't tell you is that checking yourself off as an organ donor when you renew your driver's license means you are giving up your right to informed consent, and that you may suffer for it, especially if you happen to become a victim of head trauma. Even though they comprise only 1% of deaths, victims of head trauma are the most likely organ donors. Patients who can be ruled brain dead usually have good organs, while organs from people who die from heart failure, circulation, or breathing deteriorate quickly. But here's the weird part. In at least two studies before the 1981 Uniform Determination of Death Act, some 'brain-dead' patients were found to be emitting brain waves, and at least one doctor has reported a case in which a patient with severe head trauma began breathing spontaneously after being declared brain dead. Organ transplantation — from procurement of organs to transplant to the first year of postoperative care — is a $20 billion per year business, with average recipients charged $750,000 for a transplant. At an average of 3.3 donated organs per donor, that is more than $2 million per body. 'In order to be dead enough to bury but alive enough to be a donor, you must be irreversibly brain dead. If it's reversible, you're no longer dead; you're a patient,' writes David Crippen, M.D. 'And once you start messing around with this definition, you're on a slippery slope, and the question then becomes: How dead do you want patients to be before you start taking their organs?'"

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  1. THe Real Quesion is... by chill · · Score: 5, Funny

    The real question is how fast will this thread deteriorate into a Monty Python quote fest?

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    1. Re:THe Real Quesion is... by TheABomb · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sooner than Princess Bride, apparently. I weep for you people.

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    2. Re:THe Real Quesion is... by game+kid · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't be so pessimistic. Always look on the bright side of life!

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  2. Answer by bXTr · · Score: 5, Funny

    When you stop pounding at the inside of your coffin.

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  3. "He's not QUITE Dead.." by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Funny

    "He's feeling much better."

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  4. Never!! by Indigo · · Score: 5, Funny

    They can have my organs when they pry them from my cold, dead... oh wait.

  5. When are you dead? by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 4, Funny

    DUH! When Netcraft confirms it.

  6. Re:I have an organ donor card... by rwa2 · · Score: 3, Funny

    No, domesticated turkeys are the dumbest birds in the world! They'll drown if they look up at the rain!

    OK, that wasn't actually true, but thanks for making me look that up anyway.
    http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/turkey.asp

  7. Re:I have an organ donor card... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Funny

    Although, honestly, chickens are the stupidest birds in the world,

    You have clearly never watched The Kardashians.

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  8. Re:I have an organ donor card... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Although, honestly, chickens are the stupidest birds in the world,

    You have clearly never watched The Kardashians.

    What does Star Trek have DS9 to do with it?

  9. Re:Headless humans still run around too... by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'd guess the most profitable bet would be "not very far at all" given that they were executed in a prone position and the balance organs end up in a different part to the propulsion units.

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