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Scientists Discover Link Between Trees and Electricity

An anonymous reader writes "Everyone knows trees give us all oxygen so we can breathe, but according to Australian scientists, they also affect the concentration of positive and negative ions in the air. A team from the Queensland University of Technology's International Laboratory for Air Quality and Health ran experiments in six locations all over Brisbane and found that positive and negative ion concentrations in the air were two times higher in heavily wooded areas than in open grassy areas, such as parks."

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  1. This is truly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Shocking!

    1. Re:This is truly... by billybob2001 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Potentially.

    2. Re:This is truly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ion dont know. I cant be positive that I read this somewhere else. But maybe I am putting too much spin on this...

    3. Re:This is truly... by busyqth · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...negative ion concentrations in the air were two times higher in heavily wooded areas

      I am not going into the woods -- there is so much negative energy there.

    4. Re:This is truly... by martin-boundary · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ionic, isn't it?

    5. Re:This is truly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      They read it wrong, and thought it was the 'hardwood' category.

  2. Avatar by Bananatree3 · · Score: 4, Funny

    The planet is one giant brain!

    1. Re:Avatar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I just spent several seconds wondering why GOP sponsored science required root access. "Pseudo" is the word you were looking for.

  3. Seems kind of obvious that this should be true by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Static electricity occurs when one thing rubs against another thing. Trees have a lot more surface area for the wind to rub against than empty fields.

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    1. Re:Seems kind of obvious that this should be true by reverseengineer · · Score: 5, Informative

      That isn't the mechanism the paper is proposing. What the authors suggest is that trees uptake radon dissolved in groundwater, transpire it into the air, and that it is the radioactive decay of radon that would be responsible for the ions released by trees.

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    2. Re:Seems kind of obvious that this should be true by Higgins_Boson · · Score: 3, Funny

      Static electricity occurs when one thing rubs against another thing . Trees have a lot more surface area for the wind to rub against than empty fields.

      Is that the feeling we get from sex?

    3. Re:Seems kind of obvious that this should be true by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Static electricity occurs when one thing rubs against another thing . Trees have a lot more surface area for the wind to rub against than empty fields.

      Is that the feeling we get from sex?

      You're asking this on Slashdot?

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    4. Re:Seems kind of obvious that this should be true by busyqth · · Score: 4, Funny

      Static electricity occurs when one thing rubs against another thing . Trees have a lot more surface area for the wind to rub against than empty fields.

      Is that the feeling we get from sex?

      You're asking this on Slashdot?

      The fact that someone posting on slashdot has to ask what sex feels like doesn't surprise me at all.

  4. This has been known by Kagetsuki · · Score: 5, Informative

    This has been known for a very long time and it's very much common knowledge. Ambient negative ion levels can even be obtained through weather services in my country. My Daikin air conditioner even claims to keep ambient ion levels at "lush forest" levels and it's not near new. Just do a google search for "forest negative ion" and you'll find tons of products and articles on the subject. Why is this at all news?

    1. Re:This has been known by Kagetsuki · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A few searches will give you quite a few hits for detailed analysis but I'll give you a quick rundown of how I understand it:

      What are the implications?

      Higher concentrations of negative ions in the air basically leads to "cleaner" air. The basic idea is that the negative ions are attracted to positively charged particulates which they latch on to and break down. Negative ions can also break down bacteria. More details in this wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_ioniser

      Do the levels of various ions in the air impact human health in any way?

      Yes but I'm not personally aware of how much and I'm not sure how much scientific study could have a corporate bias behind it (to sell air purifiction technologies). Reguardless, it's pretty much been scientifically proven that particular levels of negative ions (not too much, but above a certain level) have human health benefits. Some studies I've seen claim negative ion rich environments make the environment more physicall comfortable (more refreshed and energized) to the body which leads to higher energy and lower stress - and personally that's why I purchased higher quality air conditioners and filtration units which I do *feel* make my living and working spaces more comfortable.

      How do they differ in cities vs suburbs vs the countryside?

      I'm assuming it is -generally- true that cities would likely have lower concentrations than the suburbs which would in turn have lower concentrations than the countryside.

  5. Trees - Natures Radon Pumps... Wait, what? by FairAndHateful · · Score: 4, Interesting
    At first I was thinking "more positive and negative ions... Wouldn't they be attracted to each other and take care of that? Then I read TFA.

    "Trees act as radon pumps, bringing the gas to the surface and releasing it to the atmosphere through transpiration - a process where water absorbed by the root system is evaporated into the atmosphere from leaves. This is especially prevalent for trees with deep root systems, such as eucalypts."

    The QUT scientists estimated that, in a eucalyptus forest, trees may account for up to 37 per cent of the radon in the air when transpiration rates were highest.

    So... If I go into the forest, I'm more likely to be breathing radon, and at greater concentrations? Um... I do like the trees, but from this I'm not sure the feeling is mutual...

  6. This is cooler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.livescience.com/5711-electricity-harvested-trees.html

    Trees actually produce a small current when a nail is inserted into them and connected to a ground. It is not via the same mechanism as a battery.

  7. Re:And yet. by Nadaka · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think he exaggerated a bit. But most of the non-protected forests are replanted fast growing pine monocultures, not healthy natural forests.

  8. running into forest... by mevets · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maybe you should keep your eyes on the road.

  9. sudo make me a sandwich by tepples · · Score: 5, Funny

    sudo science freaks

    Anonymous Coward is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.

  10. Re:And yet. by jd · · Score: 4, Informative

    Trees aren't equal. Fast-growing trees drain nutrients but absorb little CO2, for example. Very damaging to the environment, if planted in excess - which is why it is common in the US. Plantations are also not "woods" in any meaningful sense - woods aren't just trees, but complex ecosystems that include wildflowers, fungi, etc. Real woods don't generally have massive wildfires, those are almost invariably the consequence of plantations or excessively-managed areas. Not always, true, but natural forests with natural clearings and natural recycling of raw materials will tend to utilize forest fires to sweep out excessive trash and allow seedlings to grow -- this is obviously not possible when the heat destroys even the fire-resistant seed pods/cones and topsoil.

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  11. Re:And yet. by TheLink · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Trees aren't equal. Fast-growing trees drain nutrients but absorb little CO2,

    Citation needed.

    1) One would think a fast growing tree would have to absorb CO2 (and nutrients) in order to build all that cellulose quickly.

    2) If that tree is subsequently harvested (and a new one replanted) and converted into timber, or paper that ends up in archives or landfills it means more CO2 locked up for years (yes paper manufacturing is normally environmentally unfriendly but it doesn't have to be so)

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  12. Some interesting numbers by pigwiggle · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.fia.fs.fed.us/library/briefings-summaries-overviews/docs/ForestFacts.pdf

    "It is estimated that—at the beginning of European settlement—
    in 1630 the area of forest land that would become
    the United States was 1,045 million acres or about 46
    percent of the total land area. By 1907, the area of forest
    land had declined to an estimated 759 million acres or
    34 percent of the total land area. Forest area has been relatively
    stable since 1907. In 1997, 747 million acres—or
    33 percent of the total land area of the United States—
    was in forest land. Today’s forest land area amounts to
    about 70 percent of the area that was forested in 1630.
    Since 1630, about 297 million acres of forest land have
    been converted to other uses—mainly agricultural. More
    than 75 percent of the net conversion to other uses
    occurred in the 19th century."

    And it does go on to describe the kinds of differences - one of which you mention - between historical and contemporary forest composition.

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  13. Re:And yet. by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We bought 160 acres of densely forested land a while back. The only part not wooded were a few acres at the front that had been used as farmland. One summer we rented a tree planter, pulled it behind a tractor and in a matter of 3 days planted 70,000 trees. (they're really cheap when you buy them in that volume) We also raised turkeys and released them into the wild (illegally) and brought the wild turkey back to the county in question over a period of 10 years or so. As we put out more and more broods the neighbors started getting involved. Some of our neighbors started gathering roadkill and leaving them in piles in strategically placed areas with pre-made nesting boxes... now we have bald eagles. I'm not sure where the bears and cougars came from but I'm sure there are similar stories involving them that I don't know about. The simple fact is, as a child growing up in the 70's, there were NO big game animals in that area besides deer. There were a few grouse and pheasant but that was about it. Now the countryside is so rife with wildlife we're starting to have problems with Car+bear accidents. It's an amazing change. If there's one thing the USA has got going for it, it's the return of the wilderness.

  14. Wot??? by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 3, Informative

    > Everyone knows that trees give us all oxygen so we can breathe

    I certainly don't know any such thing. In fact I thought forests were net zero oxygen because when trees die the decay of the tree consumes as much oxygen as the tree produced during its life. Not to mention that of course at night the tree is burning the sugars it made during the day by photosynthesis.

    Plankton is where there is a possible net oxygen increase because when they go dead they can sink, and when that happens they don't decay.

  15. Re:And yet. by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Informative

    You don't know what you're talking about. Trees are good as habitat, and for erosion... but CO2? The vast, vast majority of CO2 absorbed is done so by algae in the oceans. Trees are barely a blip. Pines grow fast and burn easily which enriches the soil. Clearly you dont live anywhere where there's a forest but when you do... there are fires. The pines burn quickly. The oaks survive... the pines leave ash which makes the soil less acidic and acts as fertilizer. Most pinecones only open when heated by fire... that's evolution for you. The phoenix trees.

  16. Re:And yet. by xquercus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How does that happen? Why do people stop using their land for farming? Do they just keep it to have a nice place to spend a weekend? Or is the land so cheap that they don't actually worry about paying property taxes?

    I can't speak for the midwest but in New England there were once a lot of fairly small farms. If a house comes with an additional 5-50 acres of property, at $1000 an acre for rural land, it may not add a great deal to the cost of the house. If it's wetland, and therefore difficult to develop or harvest timber from, around here it might go for $500 an acre. Many people with a few tens of acres in this area are engaged in small scale timber harvesting so having the extra land isn't necessarily a financial burden.

    As far as taxes, some people will place "the back 40" in to tree growth. State law here allows a landowner to develop a timber harvest plan and get a significant reduction on property tax. In unincorporated parts of the state, I've heard this amounts to $1/acre per year in total tax. I don't know how much of a tax rebate individuals get inside an incorporated town but it is very significant. A number of communities have been complaining about the state mandated tax abatement program and urging reforms because of abuse. For example, owners of waterfront property have been known to place the land into tree growth even though they couldn't possibly harvest the timber due it's close proximity to water -- environmental laws. Of course, this is some of the more expensive property as well.

    When I lived outside Seattle I heard of tax abatement programs for landowners who use their property for agricultural uses. Some of the requirements were pretty minimal. We had neighbors who stabled horses or bread a horse per year specifically so they could receive abatements which were only available for land used for agriculture. Property taxes were quite high there so I can certainly see the appeal of working the system.