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XBMC V11 Eden Has Been Released

New submitter themib writes "After only two release candidates XBMC v11.0 Eden has been released. The latest version contains many updates and new features, including: Addon Rollbacks, Confluence improvements, Dirty region rendering, a new JPEG decoder, movie scraping, better network support, a new upgraded Weather service. This announcement also heralds the new XBMCbuntu Final."

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  1. Just installed by ArhcAngel · · Score: 3

    I just installed it on a Windows 7 system and it is smooth as glass. It looks more polished than most commercial offerings I've seen. Kudos to the team and their efforts.

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    1. Re:Just installed by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's eating up a lot more CPU than 10.1 did, and it's causing stutter in the same 1080p content that v10.1 played with no problem.

      XBMC FAIL.

      I'm not having these issues at all. Anonymous Coward FAIL?

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    2. Re:Just installed by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 5, Informative

      Question: What advantages do you see over Windows media center in Windows 7? Not having run XBMC since leaving XP in 09 I am curious as to what advantages you find over what is built into Win 7, is it better on resources? does it give you more Internet TV options? How is its hardware acceleration? Because while i can see the advantages clearly for something like the pi, where you are talking about a device that takes less power than your average cable box I just don't see offhand what advantages one could get from XBMC running on top of win 7.

      Primarily it's format agnosticism and skin capabilities. 99% of my library is in MKV format, which WMC does not care for, and the Alaska Revisited skin is gorgeous.

      It does take advantage of hardware acceleration.

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    3. Re:Just installed by BLKMGK · · Score: 5, Informative

      I see under 25% CPU utilization with an ATOM\ION box that draws less than 20watts decoding 1080P and surround sound audio. It easy to control with my phone, an IRDA remote, or a WEB browser. It plays nearly any format and can play audio or video from my iPhone as well as display pictures from it. It also didn't cost me anything to install since Linux is free and so is XBMC. Since I run multiple HTPC this is nice in that it saves me money. It's nice that it's constantly improving too!

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    4. Re:Just installed by Lussarn · · Score: 4, Informative

      I just this weekend dropped my homebuilt system I have been using for over 10 years, have not seen anything which has ALL the features I want before. I'm very impressed by this piece of software. Scales really well to big collections, nice fast "GF proof" UI and pretty stable. HD Audio (DTS-HDMA, TrueHD) is still missing in the Linux version which is a bummer but I can live without that and start from the CLI when I need the full experience, don't happen that often. The scraper (matching movies to get actors, descriptions and so on) works really well and altough some cleaning up was needed it didn't take too long. There are cheap iPhone and android apps to browse and start movies, also without using the phone as a remote, and more as a browser. Using as remote pretty much sucks on a touchscreen since you can't feel the buttons. I'm very glad I tried this and hope it will be a keeper for years to come. Now of to install the new version since I installed the RC yesterday.

    5. Re:Just installed by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      99% of my library is in MKV format, which WMC does not care for

      Apparently, WMC as-shipped lacks MKV support (how dumb can MS get?), but it can be added later. Use this Google-obtained advice at your own risk, etc. Our media server is a Synology box which runs Linux and handles many formats.

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    6. Re:Just installed by bazorg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One advantage you might want to consider is that one day Microsoft may "be forced" into an agreement with a digital rights enforcement organisation and have to prevent windows media centre from playing stuff that was not rented or licensed via Zune Market or one of the legal app stores. With XBMC running on some variant of Linux, the music and videos you can play today are likely to be playable 10 years from now.

    7. Re:Just installed by BLKMGK · · Score: 4, Interesting

      For the Metadata on movies and TV shows I've found a 3rd party tool works best. Ember is what I use and I really like it. there are others, you can find them in the 3rd party tools section of the XBMC forums. While you're at it check out Sickbeard, SABnzb, and maybe Couchpotato. There's another tool for music too but it's apparently not well supported and I've had no interest in it. The bitstreaming works on windows with the right build but honestly DTS is fine for me right now and I believe it will downsample THD etc. as needed.

      Anyway, lots of good stuff out there for XBMC!

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    8. Re:Just installed by rikkards · · Score: 2

      Even easier is download the K-lite codecs. It gives you all of the linked above and no registry-fu needed. On a side note, I too have a Synology NAS (411J) and what do you think of the new gui? I love it but was still surprised that they didn't include DNS as a supported package, I know that someone repackaged DNSMasq but I would prefer to have it from the company.

    9. Re:Just installed by MMC+Monster · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think the power of XBMC isn't in the default installation. It's in the streaming add-ons that are available.

      I've got one installed called freecable. It lets me stream from any TV episode that's available on basically any TV show's website. ie: The official CBS website will stream episodes of CSI. On XBMC, I just go to Free Cable -> CBS -> CSI -> Full Episodes. My wife and I are seriously thinking of getting rid of our cable subscription completely. Haven't watched anything that wasn't streamed through XBMC in several months.

      With XBMC v10, add-ons are easy to install and update, via repositories. v10 add-ons (and repositories) seem to be compatible with v11, so there's a lot out there already.

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    10. Re:Just installed by atamido · · Score: 2

      Your system is probably overpowered to run it.

      The problem is, XBMC 11 is a backwards motion; it hogs CPU for unnecessary things, causing previously usable systems that were near the hardware minimums to no longer meet them. XBMC 10 was good because it actually made the system leaner and eliminated a lot of the "gameloop" style coding that was necessary to run on an original Xbox but just caused Windows or Linux systems to waste power when it was "running but idle."

      Do you have a citation for this? Things like "dirty region rendering" should significantly reduce CPU load, so I'm curious what was added that would require additional CPU, and where.

    11. Re:Just installed by Flammon · · Score: 2

      That's just the tip of the iceberg for me. The scrapping quality, the PVR intergration, the plugins, the hardware support, the multi-os support, ease of use, foss, the community, etc etc etc...

        The product is head and shoulders above the competition. There's really nothing out there that you can reasonably compare it to. It's that good.

    12. Re:Just installed by Stalks · · Score: 4, Informative

      Runs real smooth on an Intel Atom based system (Acer Revo R3600 & R3700). Can't get much more under powered than that.

      I think the trick is to use a graphics card that can offload the video playback.

  2. iOS but no Android by manekineko2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I find it bizarre that iOS has a version of XBMC when it can only be run on jailbroken devices.

    Meanwhile, Android devices, which actually compromise the majority of the market these days, could run XBMC out of the box with no modifications, and there seems to be zero interest in creating a version for Android. It would even be allowed on the official Android market.

    Still, considering the heritage of the project, maybe this all makes sense....

    1. Re:iOS but no Android by crash123 · · Score: 3, Informative

      mplayer is not the 'main decoder' for XBMC. XBMC uses its own media player called dvdplayer and ffmpeg.

    2. Re:iOS but no Android by crash123 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Work is being done on a port for Android but it is slow. See http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=119705

    3. Re:iOS but no Android by Gaygirlie · · Score: 3, Informative

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XBMC#Video_player_cores

      Video player cores

      XBMC uses two different multimedia video player 'cores' for video-playback. The first video-player 'core' for video-playback is an in-house developed cross-platform media player, "DVDPlayer", originally designed to play back DVD-Video movies, and this includes support native for DVD-menus, (based on the free open source libraries code libdvdcss and libdvdnav). This FFmpeg based video-player 'core' today supports all widespread mainstream formats. One relatively unusual feature of this DVD-player core is the capability to on-the-fly pause and play DVD-Video movies that are stored in ISO and IMG DVD-images or DVD-Video (IFO/VOB/BUP) images (even directly from uncompressed RAR and ZIP archives), from either local harddrive storage or network-share storage.[2][13][16]

      The second video-player 'core' for video-playback in XBMC is another in-house developed open source player, "DSPlayer", which today is only used as an experimental video player in a Git development branch of XBMC for Windows and not in any other versions of XBMC. This "DSPlayer" is a Direct Show based media player which with the help of FFmpeg can play practically all common media formats and in addition also make XBMC for Windows handle all formats and containers normally supported in Windows with the help of third-party proprietary Direct Show filters installed on the system.[58]

      So, no, it does not use Mplayer.

  3. OpenElec by okle69 · · Score: 2

    Can't wait til the OpenElec final is released

  4. Re:XBMC is by okle69 · · Score: 2

    The appeal is having a dedicated low power, small box to just push media to your home theatre that can be controlled via remote, instead of moving around windows between displays and having to worry about your other activities interfering with your movie watching, etc.

  5. Re:XB-emmma Wha? by icebraining · · Score: 4, Informative

    "XBMC site:slashdot.org" returns 6000 results, so they probably assume /. readers already know what it is.

    In any case,

    XBMC Media Center (formerly Xbox Media Center) is a free and open source cross-platform digital media hub and HTPC (Home theater PC) software with a 10-foot user interface designed to be a media player for the living-room TV using only a remote control as the input device. Its graphical user interface (GUI) allows the user to easily browse and view videos, photos, podcasts, and music from a harddrive, optical disc, local network, and the internet using only a few buttons.

    (From Wikipedia)

  6. Re:Never got the "point" of XBMC by Deltaspectre · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is for the people who want a 10 foot interface on their little nettop hooked up to the TV.

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  7. Re:Never got the "point" of XBMC by Laebshade · · Score: 5, Informative

    XBMC is meant for media centers. If you're not using it on a PC you're using as a media center, then XBMC is likely not for you. It is called "XBMC Media Center" for a reason.

  8. Re:When will they rename by Deltaspectre · · Score: 3, Informative

    I seem to remember when they gave up support on xbox, the official name was changed to just XBMC. So it's not an acronym anymore.

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  9. Re:Could they try to have identified what XBMC is? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It took more effort to write that little rant than it would have to just fucking google it.
    *slowclap*

  10. Re:Never got the "point" of XBMC by niftydude · · Score: 3, Informative

    But on a modern PC? Running a variety of programs to handle each individual media type in a manner I prefer for them doesn't present any sort of burden to me or to the system. I have no real reason to stay within the context of a single program that can do-it-all - I just make a new desktop shortcut to my preferred handler of format-X, and bam, I have it always instantly available to me.

    XBMC is about the interface. XBMC is all-in-one, and it is nice and remote control friendly. Your solution with desktop shortcuts requires you to have a mouse and a keyboard, and so that solution is a burden to you, even if it isn't a burden to the system.

    Not only does XBMC handler MCE remotes correctly out of the box, with the libCEC library it can also handle signals from the remote controls of most television remotes from the libCEC signal which is sent over one of the wires on the HDMI interface. It makes for a much nicer browsing and viewing experience when your pc is connected to a large screen on the other side of your room.

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  11. Re:OS-X but no *BSD, either?!? by crash123 · · Score: 2

    No a developer called Fneufneu is still working on it. The pull request wasn't finished/merged in time for Eden. https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc/pull/37

  12. Re:Never got the "point" of XBMC by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've tried a few versions of XBMC (and have 11 downloading in the background, just to take a look), and I never really understood the big deal about it.

    With the original XBox, okay, cool, you had a fairly high-functionality networked media player running on a $99 console gaming system. Neat.

    But on a modern PC? Running a variety of programs to handle each individual media type in a manner I prefer for them doesn't present any sort of burden to me or to the system. I have no real reason to stay within the context of a single program that can do-it-all - I just make a new desktop shortcut to my preferred handler of format-X, and bam, I have it always instantly available to me.

    So tell me, Slashdot - What have I missed here that makes XBMC so impressive?

    You're missing a wife. Because mine (despite having a masters in engineering and a CCIE) is completely unwilling to use a PC connected to our home theater. She wants to access media the same way she uses a DVR, and with the same remote. XBMC provides that experience. Plus it works with Airplay.

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  13. Re:Never got the "point" of XBMC by nahpets77 · · Score: 2

    UPnP; I use it mainly to connect to my mediatomb server. It works really well.

  14. Re:frosty piss V11 chugger has been released by ThePeices · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do you assume that he didn't read TFA or do a Google search because he found it too difficult?

    He did neither of those things because he couldn't be arsed.

  15. Re:XB-emmma Wha? by game+kid · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yup, that's a technical term! You definitely wouldn't want the usual 2-foot computer UI when you're on your couch fairly far from your screen. Heck, I have my occasional issues with it when I'm not so far...

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  16. Re:"Dirty region rendering" by Spodi · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dirty region rendering is where you only redraw areas that need to be updated instead of drawing the whole screen every frame. It was a lot more common in the older days, and can still be useful for low-power, low-performance devices to keep a larger screen up-to-date. This is precisely why XBMC is implementing it - to reduce overhead of a mostly-idle screen (lower power usage when not viewing media). And I am very happy to see that - too much software doesn't care how much demand it puts on the system as long as it looks good. There is so much being put into trying to make hardware more energy efficient, but an even easier low-hanging fruit is the software.

  17. Re:XBMC vs. WMC by TemplePilot · · Score: 3, Informative

    WMC is 'nice' for OTA HDTV if you have a CM4221 antenna + ATSC tuner combo ( or QAM if you have a cable connection), which I do enjoy. XBMC on the other hand with plugin's and aggreators... gives me online access to so much more than WMC can and greatly enhances usablilty between my pc & HDTV, its the epitome of convergence in technology at this stage of the game.

    Now, if I could only get XBMC shoehorned stand alone into a high end "smart" HDTV with wifi to my LAN. It just might make for the ultimate home theatre pc experience I so crave.

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  18. Re:OS-X but no *BSD, either?!? by BLKMGK · · Score: 2

    Not sure I'd call Myth a competitor, more like they work together. considering what a tin plated bitch Myth has been to install in the past and how much more easily XBMC is installed I'll be interested to see what the Myth guys come up with for this release. the only PITA with XBMC is getting the HDMI audio working sometimes but that's ALSA and Pulse screwing with things...

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  19. Re:Never got the "point" of XBMC by Scyber · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well the Eden logo in TFA refers to it as XBMC Media Center. In addition the logo used on wiki.xbmc.org (similar to the eden logo) also refers to it as xbmc media center. So you can keep "correcting" people if you want, but if the official site uses XBMC Media Center it is obviously an acceptable name for the product.

  20. Re:Never got the "point" of XBMC by BLKMGK · · Score: 2

    Actually no it's called XBMC Media Center. I suggest you goto XBMC.org and examine the logo for the Eden release which clearly says so....

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  21. Re:Never got the "point" of XBMC by wanzeo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yup. XBMC can be more for the people you live with than it for yourself. For instance, there are iphone and android apps that work as a remote through the wifi. Not only is this practical because you skip the tedious IR remotes, but people absolutely LOVE the idea of using their phone as a remote. I even bought a $50 Samsung Repp (low end android phone, no contract) that just sits on the coffee table as an XBMC remote.

    A nice added bonus is that it provides a way to retire old desktops without throwing them away or having to buy specialized AV gear. And it has even been demonstrated to run on the Raspberry Pi! In fact, now that I mention it, I REALLY LOVE XBMC!

  22. Re:XBMC vs. WMC by A+Nun+Must+Cow+Herd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's not quite your stated ideal, but I'm happy with XBMC running on a rooted Apple TV. Cheap, easy and the videos look fantastic (without having to run iTunes or transcode anything!).

  23. Re:XBMC is by dcherryholmes · · Score: 2

    "It even handles downloading of subtitles for the current title from the Internet, something I haven't seen any media player do."

    Of course I am aware of the relationship between boxee and xbmc, but from the average consumer's perspective, boxee does this as well.

  24. Re:Never got the "point" of XBMC by amorsen · · Score: 2

    It doesn't do TV yet though it is planned and being worked on (forever).

    You can turn a TV capture card into a streaming source with HTS Tvheadend, which is very easy to set up. XBMC speaks the Tvheadend protocol, so it works fine for live TV.

    What you can't do is control recording etc. from XBMC, unless you use the PVR branch which is indeed being worked on forever. For that you need to use the Tvheadend web interface.

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  25. I thought Berne was about copyrights, not patents by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most of those codecs like X264? ILLEGAL in any country that signed Berne, all that? Is patented.

    I thought Berne was about copyrights, not patents.

    ALL the major formats ARE PATENTED

    True, but all patents essential to VP8 are licensed permissively.

    Mark my words the next version of H.26x WILL have DRM support

    I thought digital restrictions management was a feature of a container, not a codec. For example, CSS is part of the DVD container, which is based on the MPEG-2 container, and doesn't touch the codec at all. The closest thing to DRM in a codec is BD+, which warps parts of the frame to make them friendlier to the underlying codec (and can disable unwarping in an environment that appears not to conform to the system's C&R rules), and I haven't seen anything other than Blu-ray that implements anything remotely like BD+.

  26. XBMC Developers have iPhones...duh... by bornagainpenguin · · Score: 2

    Your Pacific rim drop-shipper of choice has a fair number of offerings (these ones are reasonably representative); from ~$70 to ~$170 depending on the phase of the moon, number of ports and media readers, and chipset.

    You forget the Logitech Revue.

    You can say that the bootloader is locked, but then so is the AppleTV locked. You listed a bunch of "Pacific Rim" devices which are also presumably available for use, but then excuse away the lack of XBMC port by pointing to incompatibilities across SOC hardware as if this was a new thing.

    Bottom line? Most of the XBMC developers probably have iPhones and simply don't care about Android. Considering the AppleTV is only $99, it's hard to blame them.

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