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Maybe the FAA Gadget Ban On Liftoff and Landing Isn't So Bad

First time accepted submitter oyenamit writes "Ars Technica reported a while back that FAA is going to reconsider the ban on use of electronic gadgets during take-off and landing. If this ban is revoked, you will be free to use your gizmos for an additional 30 minutes or so. Peter Bright has an interesting take on why lifting of the ban may not be such a good idea."

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  1. Gahh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Forget ever being able to sleep on a plane again, with 200 cell phones ringing and people playing annoying games and 100 laptop screens lighting up the cabin, just like in a movie theater, too many people going to be selfish.

    1. Re:Gahh by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny

      Forget ever being able to sleep on a plane again, with 200 cell phones ringing and people playing annoying games and 100 laptop screens lighting up the cabin, just like in a movie theater, too many people going to be selfish.

      I SAID I CAN'T HEAR YOU! THE PLANE IS TAKING OFF RIGHT NOW! PLEASE SAY IT AGAIN LOUDER!

      Yeah, almost as bad as the fuckwits in restaurants and theaters.

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    2. Re:Gahh by JWSmythe · · Score: 5, Insightful

          Nice quote, considering you're quoting something that wasn't said.

          And I guess either you're young, or have been living under a rock. Jan 15, 2009, US Airways Flight 1549.

          There are circumstances where it's good not to have your laptop, tablet, phone, etc, all occupying your space. Consider August 2, 2005, Air France Flight 358.

            In both of these circumstances, it was advantageous for the passengers to be able to disembark the aircraft expeditiously and unencumbered by extra items.

          Planes only crash land, when they are near land or water. That is the minutes surrounding takeoff and landing. During the rough of landings, objects in your hands can become objects flying around the cabin.

         

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    3. Re:Gahh by ultranova · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Forget ever being able to sleep on a plane again, with 200 cell phones ringing and people playing annoying games and 100 laptop screens lighting up the cabin, just like in a movie theater, too many people going to be selfish.

      ...So it's selfish to use a computer on a plane, but not selfish to complain that 200 people are not forced to sit silently because you can't be bothered to sleep at night?

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  2. Don't Want to Use Your Gadgets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...then don't use them.

    Idiot.

  3. Attention by shmlco · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seen this one before... "If something goes wrong—which is admittedly rare, but not unheard of—it is probably to the advantage of all involved that they're paying at least some attention to what is going on around them."

    And not to an iPad! Or iPhone! Or a SkyMall magazine! Or an in-flight magazine! Or a magazine in general! Or a paperback! Or a hardback! Or sleeping! Or entertaining the kids! Or...

    You get the idea. Not to mention that a sudden and rapid descent and/or crash will probably grab pretty much everyone's attention, no matter how engrossed they are in Angry Birds....

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    1. Re:Attention by Drishmung · · Score: 5, Informative

      Modern commercial passenger aircraft are barely flown by the pilot anyway. Automation is so extensive that the air craft is basically a drone flight and the pilot is just an emergency override.[...]

      No, not even close. See the "Ask the Pilot" piece, or go read a bit more about it. Patrick covers this particular myth with remarkable frequency, since It Will Not Die!

      Passengers using electronics is unlikely in the extreme to ever impact flight safety.

      Absolutely agree. Basically, if it were possible to bring a plane down merely by using a cellphone, it would already have been done by now. Certain groups have an intense interest in doing just that. They haven't, so they can't. Q.E.D.

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    2. Re:Attention by mccrew · · Score: 5, Funny

      Modern commercial passenger aircraft are barely flown by the pilot anyway.

      Old joke.

      In the future the cockpit will have a pilot and a dog. The pilot's job is to feed the dog, and the dog's job is to bite the pilot if he tries to touch anything.

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  4. person sitting next to the user by bcrowell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    TFA makes it sound as if keeping the ban is simply a nice way to preserve some "spiritual" time for yourself when you aren't tempted to use gadgets. That's not nearly as important as the effect on the person sitting next to the gadget user. Flying on airplanes has already become a really miserable experience these days. If I had to sit next to someone yakking nonstop on their cell phone for a 10-hour flight, I would go absolutely nuts. Even in places like the public library or the waiting room for jury duty, there are cell phone blabberers who simply cannot be convinced that their conversation is anappropriate and bothersome to others.

    1. Re:person sitting next to the user by mjwx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Personally sitting in a aluminium death tube

      The most dangerous part of any flight is the drive to the airport. Which is why I always congratulate myself for getting to the check in counter in piece. Seriously, over 300 people in my state alone (Western Australia) die on our roads. About 10 Australians die on aircraft per year around the world.

      Either that or get a private cabin on a train and enjoy the dining car at your leisure.

      Where's the road from Australia to Singapore?

      There is no such thing as a short drive from where I live and I've done more then enough of those two day trips up north for one lifetime, besides there's nothing up there but bogans, heat, flies and dust.

      Start after normal breakfast, leave after 9:00am (completely miss peak traffic) drive till around 1:00pm, you'll be hungry pick a nice spot to enjoy a meal and an hour break, drive till around 5:00pm

      7.5 hours of driving at 120 KPH (10 KM's over the speed limit here in West Oz and you're unlikely to sustain 120 KM/h for that entire 7.5 hours) is 900 KM, good work, you have 2 to 3 more days of this before you reach the nearest capital city, Adelaide. Meanwhile I've flown 5,000 KM's to another country, passed through customs and am now enjoying my holiday at my destination.

      Spending 3 days getting to my destination wastes 5 good days of holiday time, talk about the worst way to spend my time off.

      Driving eight hours or screwing around for four hours (taxi to airport, wasting time in airport, insanely boring uncomfortable flight, wasting time in airport, taxi to where ever you are going), I prefer driving.

      In reality all you've done is limit the places you can go. No crossing oceans, you cant go further then 800 KM's. What's the point of even taking a holiday if you're not going to see anything new or exciting. Might as well stay home.

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  5. Government as Jesus by Scareduck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But the more important reason to preserve the current rules is a spiritual one.

    Okay, I've read enough. He doesn't really have a good argument for this.

    How did this lame article get promoted?

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  6. Re:reminds me of blue laws in Massachusetts by tmosley · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That is incredibly arbitrary.

    I don't like allowing others to have arbitrary power over me. Fuck that. Stop trying to justify stupid shit by contorting your mind to make those in power right.

  7. Screw off. by mpoulton · · Score: 5, Interesting

    May I be the first to say, "SCREW OFF!" The entire argument is that the federal government should enforce a nationwide ban on the use of electronic devices during takeoff and landing, backed by criminal penalties for violation, simply because this author believes it's good for everyone to take a little break from their gadgets every now and then? Even if there's absolutely no safety issue? Jesus. Thankfully that basis for such a regulation clearly doesn't pass constitutional muster, even under the current interpretation of the 10th Amendment. People who think government should work like this are what's wrong with this country.

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    1. Re:Screw off. by mpoulton · · Score: 5, Informative

      A quick Googling of "arrested for not turning cell phone off on plane" shows MANY results. First: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/06/air-passenger-arrested-fo_0_n_950326.html

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  8. Neither new nor interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seen this one before... "If something goes wrong—which is admittedly rare, but not unheard of—it is probably to the advantage of all involved that they're paying at least some attention to what is going on around them."

    And not to an iPad! Or iPhone! Or a SkyMall magazine! Or an in-flight magazine! Or a magazine in general! Or a paperback! Or a hardback! Or sleeping! Or entertaining the kids! Or...

    You get the idea. Not to mention that a sudden and rapid descent and/or crash will probably grab pretty much everyone's attention, no matter how engrossed they are in Angry Birds....

    I've heard this argument repeatedly and it is out of hand absurd. What of all the people who can't understand the language, are hard of hearing, too young etc.? Want to ban them from flying. As with all books/magazines/newspapers. Not to mention any medication which may make the occupants sleepy.

    Perhaps we should require everyone to become a qualified airline pilot just in case!? And arrest them if they've had any alcohol - after all they may need to take over the plane. Next step: ban flying altogether.

    Why is this RUBBISH on the front page?

  9. Re:Waiting for the Crash by MachDelta · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Personally i've always been enthralled by the goings-on of take-off and landing. I'm a bit of a gearhead though, so things like the whine of a turbocharger spooling up, a rotary engine with a lopey idle, the pop of an open exhaust, etc have always held my attention. To that end, a jet powered aircraft is an extreme version of a lot of these things. The feeling of n-thousand pounds of thrust pushing you back in the seat, the howl of a turbine climbing through several octaves that never seems like it will stop ascending, whining hydraulics and various mechanical sounds of things opening or closing... all of that stuff makes me secretly giddy.

    I'll never forget being ~10 years old and landing at Vancouver - I was sitting at a window right behind the wing and it was the first time in my life i'd ever seen thrust reversal. The back of the turbine housing splitting and then rejoining like that nearly had me convinced that the airplane was actually a transformer. The only thing better than seeing it was hearing and feeling the engines at full throttle as they (and the brakes) struggled mightily against the plane's momentum. It's one of those surreal awe-struck moments forever lodged in my mind.

    I've enjoyed that visceral, mechanical part of flying ever since. I've always had to resist the urge to shout - over screaming turbines, little old ladies praying, and children crying - "THIS IS F*%KING AWESOME!!!" during takeoff/landing.